Prometheus - Spoilery thread of Spoilers

ccesarano wrote:

How about some non-story complaints, eh? Like how Weyland looked like Future-Biff-Tannen.

I kept thinking of this guy:

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the whole time. Yeah, that was pretty dumb. Why bother taking a young actor and putting him in age makeup if you're never going to young him up with science-y alien magic? Why wouldn't you just cast someone who was actually old?

hbi2k wrote:

Why wouldn't you just cast someone who was actually old?

How many 100 year old working actors do you know of?

BadKen wrote:
hbi2k wrote:

Why wouldn't you just cast someone who was actually old?

How many 100 year old working actors do you know of?

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BadKen wrote:
hbi2k wrote:

Why wouldn't you just cast someone who was actually old?

How many 100 year old working actors do you know of?

I could name a few who could PASS for 100 with a lot less makeup than Guy Freakin' Pierce.

Shoulda been Morgan Freeman.

There was a some promotional stuff showing him young though. Like the TED talk:
http://www.weylandindustries.com/ted...

And perhaps that was originally going to be included in the film at one point. Only explanation why I could think of that they would "old up" guy pierce.

It sets up the (subverted) expectation that the engineers will find a way to fountain of.youth him.

i09 article wrote:

What was cut from Prometheus?

A lot. According to Collider there is about 20 to 30 minutes of deleted scenes Ridley wants to include in the DVD release. And Logan Marshall-Green also revealed to us that his character had been considerably toned down in reshoots. We're assuming 30 minutes is an understatement.

I am unsurprised.

Wasn't that engineer dude in the movie Powder?

Also: I think Bilbo Baggins would've made a better Weyland.

My main issue is quite minor but really jarring to me: leaving a potentially deadly alien organism in the medical pod in the LIFE BOAT.

Concave wrote:

My main issue is quite minor but really jarring to me: leaving a potentially deadly alien organism in the medical pod in the LIFE BOAT.

at the time, it was being decontaminated. Shaw had no way of knowing or reason to suspect the xenomorph could survive in a vacuum.

Tanglebones wrote:

It sets up the (subverted) expectation that the engineers will find a way to fountain of.youth him.

Sure. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to for a red herring, though.

kaostheory wrote:
Concave wrote:

My main issue is quite minor but really jarring to me: leaving a potentially deadly alien organism in the medical pod in the LIFE BOAT.

at the time, it was being decontaminated. Shaw had no way of knowing or reason to suspect the xenomorph could survive in a vacuum.

Maybe she could make sure? Or maybe the squid thing would be of *some* interest to other people though. Maybe? Possibly? Alien life, freshly carved out of a crewmember's womb, could raise an eyebrow or two, one would imagine.

It's a plot hole, but it's also one most people wouldn't notice or object to if the rest of the movie worked for them.

5000brians wrote:

Wasn't that engineer dude in the movie Powder?

That reminds me, I haven't posted Sam Strange's recollection of the Prometheus production:

So as you can see, this is a deeply intellectual film. Most philosophers spend their whole lives on "Why are we here?" Prometheus goes one step further by asking, "Who gives a sh*t why we're here. Why are super-buff Powder men trying to kill us with black ooze that does ill-defined awful sh*t?" Deep, deep stuff. Trust me, it'll all make sense when we make Prometheus 2. And if it doesn't, it will when we make Prometheus 3. And if it doesn't, you were never going to be satisfied in the first place, I guess. Shame on you.

"It's a plot hole, but it's also one most people wouldn't notice or object to if the rest of the movie worked for them."

I actually really enjoyed most things about this film, but some of the crew member interaction and THIS part really bothered me. Perhaps someone can shed some light on this situation for me as I could be mistaken or wrong.

So David and Shaw realize that there is indeed an Alien organism within her and it is (later in that scene) causing her a bit of pain. So David subdues Shaw and gives her some sort of sedative and she wakes up sometime later with a few of the crew members trying to load her back into cryo for the trip home. She "Plays dead" and ends up fighting her way out of the room and into the "Life Boat" operating the medical pod to remove the creature within her. Stitches herself back up and then makes her way into the room where she discovers Weyland is still alive.

So my question is, why on earth doesn't ANYONE follow her into the medical pod room? She fights and leaves the room and it's like instantly they forget about her. Unless they live in the same universe as the Grand Theft Auto series, I just don't get it. You are allowing a person with a potential threat growing inside of her, just run off to Lord knows where. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Wasn't she in the medical pod at the same time that the geologist showed back up? I thought everyone was distracted by that, although I could be misremembering the sequence of events.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

Wasn't she in the medical pod at the same time that the geologist showed back up? I thought everyone was distracted by that, although I could be misremembering the sequence of events.

David was off with Weyland, and the humans were knocked out

ClockworkHouse wrote:

Wasn't she in the medical pod at the same time that the geologist showed back up? I thought everyone was distracted by that, although I could be misremembering the sequence of events.

Yeah, that's how I saw it. And obviously the medical pod is intended for the life boat, that's a logical place to put something where you expect to have to take care of yourself on your own, possibly. Just happened that she left her "child" there.

The silly horror movie cliche is that she didn't bother telling anyone.

I thought the other two crew members that she knocked out were seen very shortly after by Weylands side when Shaw entered? That's what confused me.

There was one neat little aside in that scene I loved. The medical pod is onboard the lifeboat that was specifically mentioned earlier in the movie as being for Vickers. However, when Shaw attempts to get a cesarian/abortion, the medical pod is set for male anatomy, i.e., not Vickers. I assume that's meant as a tip that Weyland is onboard, but it's a little detail that says a lot about Vickers' role on the ship.

The thing that I wondered about in that sequence is why Shaw didn't confront David in any way about what happened. I mean... if that was me, I'd at least be like "Dude, David, WTF? Why were you going to ship me back to Earth with that thing in me?"

Just saw the IMAX 3D version and I loved it. I see the flaws people have pointed out, but I did not care. Every frame was spectacular to behold. If they would have cut some of the ham-fisted dialogue and did not leave as many loose ends it would have trumped Blade Runner. I am a big Ridly Scott fan, though. I loved his Robin Hood as well. I loved every thing about that movie except the last battle which looked pretty lame.

Anyway... My biggest complaint is the old guy makeup. It totally broke the spell the movie had me under. I hope they fix it with CGI on disc. They rest of the movie looks absolutely perfect. It makes that horrible mask look even worse in contrast.

Something fun I did today. The Prometheus trailer was literally the start of my engagement with the series. I had never seen an Alien movie before as I said earlier. I much preferred the UK trailer, so I went back and watched both today.

A US Trailer

The UK Trailer

It's an interesting study in what they're selling or what got left on the cutting room floor, IMO. I think the UK trailer is the trailer more true to the "spirit" of the film. The US trailer has that nonsense about a king, etc. that may or may not be in the Director's cut, but thematically makes no sense at all. Also the US trailer, now that I've seen the movie, basically spoils a number of major plot points. Glad I didn't pay too much attention to it.

DSGamer wrote:

The US trailer has that nonsense about a king, etc. that may or may not be in the Director's cut, but thematically makes no sense at all.

Uh. That was in the movie.

I didn't own any of the Alien Blu-rays, so I bought the anthology off Amazon over the weekend. It was priced at $67.99. I figured "whatever" since the blu-ray reviews are good, and I really want to watch them (even the last 2). Noticed that the price went down to $38.99 sometime before today. Fortunately, the order hadn't shipped, so I was able to cancel it, and order it for cheaper! It'll probably take a couple extra days to show up, but I'm cool with that since I saved $29.

tuffalobuffalo wrote:

I didn't own any of the Alien Blu-rays, so I bought the anthology off Amazon over the weekend. It was priced at $67.99. I figured "whatever" since the blu-ray reviews are good, and I really want to watch them (even the last 2). Noticed that the price went down to $38.99 sometime before today. Fortunately, the order hadn't shipped, so I was able to cancel it, and order it for cheaper! It'll probably take a couple extra days to show up, but I'm cool with that since I saved $29.

Sweet! We were just about to pull the trigger on these the other day, but decided against. Doing it for sure, now!

They had it as deal o' the day for $30 or $40 a bit ago. I forget when. That's when I grabbed it.

And that's also when I realized I didn't bring the DVD set I had to give to a friend last Friday. Bah. >_<

A lot of you were complaining about the score earlier. I have a question since I rewatched Aliens recently but haven't seen the others in forever. Was that major key, spacey theme that everyone seems to hate part of a theme from any of the Alien movies? I couldn't remember so I just assumed they sprinkled that in every once in awhile as a nod to the Alien movies.

I suppose that's one reason I ordered the anthology.

I didn't mind the score all that much because of the *probably incorrect* reason above, and the Chopin made me happy.

Ah, I forgot, there was a segment where they replayed the song from Alien where they were landing on LV-426 for the first time. However, I don't recall if it was during the same event in the film.

It was the only reuse of a theme I could recognize, though. I'm pretty sure they didn't reuse anything from Aliens, definitely sure they didn't use anything from Alien 3 (an excellent soundtrack, VERY different from the other films), and only noticed that one recycled tune from Alien.

ccesarano wrote:

Ah, I forgot, there was a segment where they replayed the song from Alien where they were landing on LV-426 for the first time. However, I don't recall if it was during the same event in the film.

It was the only reuse of a theme I could recognize, though. I'm pretty sure they didn't reuse anything from Aliens, definitely sure they didn't use anything from Alien 3 (an excellent soundtrack, VERY different from the other films), and only noticed that one recycled tune from Alien.

Thanks! I thought I heard that major key melody maybe twice in Prometheus. I forget where, exactly, but I remember smiling because it seemed a bit silly. Not that I minded, really. It was just a bit out of place. When I watch Alien, I'll have to listen for it. It's been years since I've seen it.

I didn't catch the scene with the Alien music bits as it's been forever since I've seen the first movie, but I noticed they listed the Alien score in Prometheus's music credits.