Ascension: Card game for iPhone/iPad/paper

I really think the new cards added something. Still Fedaykin98 everywhere, if anyone needs a beating.

Can someone explain the new time limits to me?

I've been having games just up and vanish a lot lately. Possibly because my time limit ran out? Kind of annoying that it doesn't tell you that you auto-abandoned a game.

It's a chess clock. The number given is the amount of time each player has to complete the game. You run out, you forfeit. Pay close attention to the time limit before starting the game. Once started, someone is always on the clock, 24/7, even if the servers go down.

Oh ugh, I went in thinking it was a turn clock.

Is there a thread somewhere with people's Game Center ids? My girlfriend and I both picked this up and fell in love with it and I would like to get some more people to play with.

I've got this as well, so feel free to add Cragmyre to your game center friend's list.

I purchased this the other day. Now I just have to load the game up and try it sometime.

My name is farktopia (I think). Other than click a thing and then click another thing, I'm lost on the strategy of it all. Feel free to kick my tail around a bit if you wish.

demonbox wrote:

My name is farktopia (I think). Other than click a thing and then click another thing, I'm lost on the strategy of it all. Feel free to kick my tail around a bit if you wish.

Apparently I must be more lost on strategy, because you are kicking my tail

So, question for all, is there a way to actually communicate while playing? Send a message here and there?

Oh, another question, how does the timer work? I thought if it was set up for a day, we'd each get a day every time, but it looks like we get a day total. I lost 8 hours sleeping.

Cragmyre wrote:

Oh, another question, how does the timer work? I thought if it was set up for a day, we'd each get a day every time, but it looks like we get a day total. I lost 8 hours sleeping.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

It's a chess clock. The number given is the amount of time each player has to complete the game. You run out, you forfeit. Pay close attention to the time limit before starting the game. Once started, someone is always on the clock, 24/7, even if the servers go down.

Oops, guess I should have reread the thread. Thanks Fedaykin!

Ok, so I'll accept most challenges, but anything less than a day and I will have to decline. I promise to take more than a turn a day, so set the clock as high as possible

I recommend 7 or 14 days for friends (which includes Goodjers). No pressure, most people take multiple turns per day.

When I play random people on the internet, I go with 10 minutes or 30. 10 basically requires you to play a full "live" game, but if the server crashes for 2 or 3 minutes (which was more common shortly after the expansion was released), whoever is on the clock will probably get screwed. I prefer to risk that rather that do a 30 minute clock. 30 minute clocks are for people who want to play several simultaneous "live" games, which is really annoying to be on the other end of.

Cragmyre wrote:
demonbox wrote:

My name is farktopia (I think). Other than click a thing and then click another thing, I'm lost on the strategy of it all. Feel free to kick my tail around a bit if you wish.

Apparently I must be more lost on strategy, because you are kicking my tail

I’ve gotten lucky. Don’t worry, that’s most likely already changed.

Cragmyre wrote:

So, question for all, is there a way to actually communicate while playing? Send a message here and there?

? This would be great if there is. ?

Fedaykin98 wrote:
Cragmyre wrote:

Oh, another question, how does the timer work? I thought if it was set up for a day, we'd each get a day every time, but it looks like we get a day total. I lost 8 hours sleeping.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

It's a chess clock. The number given is the amount of time each player has to complete the game. You run out, you forfeit. Pay close attention to the time limit before starting the game. Once started, someone is always on the clock, 24/7, even if the servers go down.

I was confused by this as well. And having never used a chess clock, especially in asynchronous multiplayer mobile play (on a phone) I thought the clock only ticked when I loaded the game and was thinking about it—but no, it starts ticking against me as soon as it becomes my turn.

So, general Q:

I know that scoring is based off the points you get in the stars for killing Monsters and such (I know there’s a name for “star points” but I don’t know the name). However, I get the feeling there is more to scoring than just that. When it shows the score at the end I believe it displays 3 numbers for each participant in the match and I have no idea where the other two numbers come from or what they mean.

Help. Please.

So, general Q:

I know that scoring is based off the points you get in the stars for killing Monsters and such (I know there’s a name for “star points” but I don’t know the name). However, I get the feeling there is more to scoring than just that. When it shows the score at the end I believe it displays 3 numbers for each participant in the match and I have no idea where the other two numbers come from or what they mean.

I believe the three numbers are your star points you've accumulated during the play phase, your deck points ( each card except the basics ) have star value shown in the bottom left corner, and your total score ( the play phase and deck points added together ).

Hehe, so far I'm 0 for 2

Question, so far both games I've been behind in star points during the play phase, is it possible to actually win in that situation at the end?

You explained the scoring well, and yes, you can easily win a game where you don't have more star points.

And there is no way to communicate in-game, sadly. Wish it was like Words With Friends in that regard.

EDIT: Just now won a game where the Star points were 28-38 in opponent's favor, but deck points were 70-30 in mine.

Play this all the time at work. ID is raptordinance

Cragmyre wrote:
So, general Q:

I know that scoring is based off the points you get in the stars for killing Monsters and such (I know there’s a name for “star points” but I don’t know the name). However, I get the feeling there is more to scoring than just that. When it shows the score at the end I believe it displays 3 numbers for each participant in the match and I have no idea where the other two numbers come from or what they mean.

I believe the three numbers are your star points you've accumulated during the play phase, your deck points ( each card except the basics ) have star value shown in the bottom left corner, and your total score ( the play phase and deck points added together ).

So one number is the star points for killing monsters; I've got this, it's the only point I ever focus on. I've actually had several games where my monster kill score is the highest, but I lose because I'm not looking at the other metrics.

So I get points just for having cards (except the basics)? I wondered if that was the case but was not sure.

So the third category is star points for playing hero cards and whatnot? This is why there are two separate star points?

I feel dumb for asking these questions, but for some reason I have a bit of a hole in my understanding of the scoring which is leading to me losing some games I didn't think I would.

You can get star points during the match by killing monsters, and sometimes playing cards ( I know there is one green card that gives you a star point for playing it ). And all the other cards, except the ones you start with, also have a star value ( heroes and what-not, shown in the bottom left corner ). Those are only displayed at the end of the match. The big star at the end is the total of points you get from the stars during the match and from the cards in your deck.

The last game we played I noticed you were going for kills so I ignored the creatures, except to try and banish them when I could, and focused only on the other cards. I got lucky and was able to get a lot of cards that let me draw through my deck, getting higher points to buy stuff.

Also, I've found that it helps to banish the basic cards, when you can, so you are able to get at the good stuff in your deck.

You and I have only played the first version - did you buy the expansion? If so, we can try adding that next time we play

demonbox wrote:
Cragmyre wrote:
So, general Q:

I know that scoring is based off the points you get in the stars for killing Monsters and such (I know there’s a name for “star points” but I don’t know the name). However, I get the feeling there is more to scoring than just that. When it shows the score at the end I believe it displays 3 numbers for each participant in the match and I have no idea where the other two numbers come from or what they mean.

I believe the three numbers are your star points you've accumulated during the play phase, your deck points ( each card except the basics ) have star value shown in the bottom left corner, and your total score ( the play phase and deck points added together ).

So one number is the star points for killing monsters; I've got this, it's the only point I ever focus on. I've actually had several games where my monster kill score is the highest, but I lose because I'm not looking at the other metrics.

So I get points just for having cards (except the basics)? I wondered if that was the case but was not sure.

So the third category is star points for playing hero cards and whatnot? This is why there are two separate star points?

I feel dumb for asking these questions, but for some reason I have a bit of a hole in my understanding of the scoring which is leading to me losing some games I didn't think I would.

Last night I bought the expansion for Ascension and loved it. It really adds quite a bit more to the game and I find myself thinking about strategy more. I think it's because there are more cards that give you choices (3 money vs. 3 stars, for example) and more interesting monsters where you have to decide exactly what effect you want.

Demyx wrote:

Last night I bought the expansion for Ascension and loved it. It really adds quite a bit more to the game and I find myself thinking about strategy more. I think it's because there are more cards that give you choices (3 money vs. 3 stars, for example) and more interesting monsters where you have to decide exactly what effect you want.

There are also a number of cards that are worse than any cards in the basic set, and open the game up for more wrong choices.

And Cragmyre: Good explanation of the scoring system there.

Thanks to OzymandiasAV for helping me hash the scoring out some over Twitter. It became clear to me, though, that I was unable to ask some of the questions I wanted to without a visual representation and that I was unable to ask Qs like I wanted to with a character count. So, here I am. Again, sorry for being such a dullard about all of this.

http://i.imgur.com/yjH9W.jpg

So, looking at the first pic (score screen between OzymandiasAV and myself, chosen for timeliness and not because I beat him) I have highlighted two of the three scores. The score circled in green (outside star score) I believe to be based just on points earned from killing baddies—is this correct? Or, is this outside star score a combination of demon killing points plus the honor value at the bottom of most of the cards?

Based on the games I’ve played I believe that the green is just baddie score and the blue circled score is the honor value on each card (most of the cards) and it’s these two scores together that total your points.

So, what it be?

Now that that’s over, I have more questions. The next picture is a mid-game pic of a match I’m in which I’m pretty sure the game is going to end because the other guy is just too busy to play (he hasn’t made a move in a while). Still, cool guy and was happy to at least begin the match.

http://i.imgur.com/Q6diI.jpg

Looking at his scores (the series of #s at the top—not sure they are all scores), I know the first star (13) is what he’s earned from killing baddies. His second score at the top (the score that’s always in the circle—in this case, 2) I am guessing that is the number of constructs you have—is that correct? If it is correct, does the number of constructs come into play for scoring other than the individual honor score on each card? The next number (circled in pink) is the first number on a deck of cards (in this case 4)—what is this? The next score is on a green deck of cards—what does this value mean (in this case 12)? And finally, I believe the last deck of cards (circled in blue—a 0 here) is the # of discarded cards in his pile. I’m not sure I should care about this though.

So, thanks and sorry. I am trying to think deeply about the cards, and I have an understanding of how some of the basic systems and values come into play—I just find some of the number values in these screen obtuse to my understanding.

Any help is appreciated.

Also, was going to do the pics in this post but wasn't sure how to do it so it wouldn't break the thread (I don't know a lot-- just look at the words above my avatar).

Green cirlce is Honor earned by killing monsters or playing cards that gain you Honor, such as the Lifebound Initiate.

Blue circle is the total Honor value of all the cards in your deck.

Uncircled star is the Honor of the previous two combined, so you were correct on that.

During play, the number in the star is the Honor a player has gained by killing monsters/playing cards that gain Honor.

You are correct again that the second number in the circle is the number of constructs a player has in play. If you look in the bottom left you see that your number of constructs in play is listed there as well.

The first "fanned out" group of cards is the cards a player has in hand.

Deck highlighted in green is the cards in their draw deck.

Deck in red are the cards in their discard pile.

Good game Fedaykin - you certainly know how to play That was my first experience with the expansion and it definitely changes things up. I thought I was doing well, until the final score Though I did have a nice combo in the deck, the card that let me put a hero on the top of my deck and the other one that gave me 3 honor if I could name the top card of my deck, just wish I could have gotten more draw cards to cycle it up more often.

Isn't it just a 1 honor bonus for guessing the right card? In any case, I love that card, because unless you've thinned your deck a lot by banishing the basic cards (a good thing to do), you pretty much just guess Apprentice 90% of the time.

Anyway, thanks for the kind words!

Everyone here should pick up Hero Academy, btw - free to play, $2 to unlock the second team and get rid of ads, turn-based asynchronous multiplayer. You can play as long as you want for free, so there's no risk. I'm Fedaykin98 there as well.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Isn't it just a 1 honor bonus for guessing the right card? In any case, I love that card, because unless you've thinned your deck a lot by banishing the basic cards (a good thing to do), you pretty much just guess Apprentice 90% of the time.

Nah, it's a 3 honor bonus. And, even if you've thinned your deck out, it can still be absolutely devilish in conjunction with acquirers like Stone Circle and Cetra, which place the card you've acquired at the top of your deck.

Wow, if it's 3 then I need to be picking it even more aggressively! I have definitely loved it with Stone Circle, which I also think is a fabulous card.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Everyone here should pick up Hero Academy, btw - free to play, $2 to unlock the second team and get rid of ads, turn-based
asynchronous multiplayer. You can play as long as you want for free, so there's no risk. I'm Fedaykin98 there as well. :)

Ok, I got it and will invite you to a game, but I have no clue what I'm doing

Throwing down the gauntlet.

My Game Center id is baladec. Friend me and challenge me.

raptordinance on Hero Academy as well. Still trying to figure out exactly how to play.