New MacBooks

http://9to5mac.com/2012/05/14/apple-...

Retina Display on a 15" laptop might be too good to wait for the Air version

Wonder if they'll do a unit with a 17" Retina display?

Man, I bet if they do, they're $3K.

No ethernet? On the MacBook Pro?...

Malor wrote:

Wonder if they'll do a unit with a 17" Retina display?

Man, I bet if they do, they're $3K.

Given the track record.. yeah I even expect the 15" model fully loaded to approach $3K. Given how focused they are on design and the seamless unibody.. I don't have much hope for an easy user friendly HD to SDD swap.. so I'm probably going to be forced to pay the outrageous Apple tax on a 512GB SSD... which probably will drive the price way past $3K

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Also the 650M would be barely strong enough to drive 1080P properly.. no way will it under Boot Camp play anything remotely new at 2560X1600 or whatever the exact pixel count ends up..

But Gaming wouldnt be the priority on this laptop for me..

Just wondering, does anyone have a idea where to find prices of TFTs over time?

I can remember getting a crappy 15" for about the same price as I could get a near equivalent to my main monitor now (which is 5 years old). Although they're not probably sharing production with TVs any time soon, it would seem like retina displays could follow the same trends as producers look to widen the product ranges that those TFT production lines can make from just smartphones. I guess I could be wrong with this though.

Also the 650M would be barely strong enough to drive 1080P properly.. no way will it under Boot Camp play anything remotely new at 2560X1600 or whatever the exact pixel count ends up..

Well, it'll be like the iPad3, in that you'll run text-oriented apps at full Retina resolution, and then you'll probably drop to quarter-res for gaming. Maybe even lower, as because of the weak video hardware and slow drivers, you NORMALLY run about quarter-res on a Mac, so I guess with Retina, you might end up at 1/16th res. You'll run 960x540 on a screen that's actually at 3840x2160.

Text in games may look a little blurry if they're trying to use subpixel hinting, which won't scale correctly, but it should otherwise look pretty good, despite the fact that each rendered pixel is taking up a 4x4 block of actual pixels.

does anyone have a idea where to find prices of TFTs over time?

No clue, sorry. But you'd get very different results based on the tech and the form factor -- 30" IPS-type screens have barely moved for years, while TN panels in 16:9 have been plunging every year.

Malor wrote:

But you'd get very different results based on the tech and the form factor -- 30" IPS-type screens have barely moved for years, while TN panels in 16:9 have been plunging every year.

That's the thing I think will be interesting with high DPI displays. As far as I'm aware, IPS doesn't have too big a market outside of monitors, but perhaps retina displays will. It's probably still uncertain though, as just as TN displays are 'good enough', so are low DPI displays for both computers and smartphones.

The cost is the big worry for me. I'd love to finally upgrade my aging laptop (that serves as more of a stand and backup unit for my iPad these days).

Hey, so do you guys recommend buying a Macbook Pro Retina 15 inch right now? Or should I wait until after Christmas for a refresh or something?

The Macrumors site says to wait because it's close to end of cycle, but still 3 months to go... I can totally stay with my 13 inch pro, but I definitely want a more-horsepower mac now, specially for games : P

I wouldn't expect an update for 3 months at least so personal opinion if you want to wait to not have regret.

Mex wrote:

Hey, so do you guys recommend buying a Macbook Pro Retina 15 inch right now? Or should I wait until after Christmas for a refresh or something?

The Macrumors site says to wait because it's close to end of cycle, but still 3 months to go... I can totally stay with my 13 inch pro, but I definitely want a more-horsepower mac now, specially for games : P

Unless Intel has something new on the mobile side I'm not sure what Apple could do for a refresh on the existing 15" Retina..Apple isn't known for gaming so I wouldn't expect a GPU refresh until Intel refreshes its mobile CPU lineup sometime late next year

For games, you just don't want a Mac. Even the next generation of Intel chips, Haswell, won't have terribly good video. It'll be better than the current stuff, but it still won't keep up with discrete cards. And, when Apple uses a discrete card, they seem to always choose really weak offerings. On top of THAT, the drivers in Mac OS are focused on correctness, not speed, so that adds another layer of slowdown. Slow drivers on slow hardware = unhappy gamer.

So, you can avoid the drivers by running Windows directly on the hardware, but there you run into yet ANOTHER problem: the Apple Windows drivers just get worse and worse. Running Windows on a Mac is still possible, at least for now, but it's becoming painful. Their touchpad drivers have been dreadful for years, and from what I'm seeing from other comments, their other drivers aren't much better, anymore. Apple does not seem very interested in making their competitor's OS look good or run well on their hardware.

Really and truly, if you want the best quality for PC gaming, you want a Windows desktop. And desktops are much cheaper, too. If you have to have a Mac laptop, you're usually best to buy the cheapest one you can find (which will run all Mac software just fine), and then buy a midrange PC. This will almost always cost less than a high-end Mac, and will run games a LOT better. Your games won't be portable, but they will run like a dream in comparison to even the biggest, fastest Macs you can buy.

Depending on how you feel about licenses, etc, you could always look into making a hackintosh and do win/mac dual-booting the other way around. That's certainly not 'it just works' territory though.

Malor wrote:

For games, you just don't want a Mac. Even the next generation of Intel chips, Haswell, won't have terribly good video. It'll be better than the current stuff, but it still won't keep up with discrete cards. And, when Apple uses a discrete card, they seem to always choose really weak offerings. On top of THAT, the drivers in Mac OS are focused on correctness, not speed, so that adds another layer of slowdown. Slow drivers on slow hardware = unhappy gamer.

So, you can avoid the drivers by running Windows directly on the hardware, but there you run into yet ANOTHER problem: the Apple Windows drivers just get worse and worse. Running Windows on a Mac is still possible, at least for now, but it's becoming painful. Their touchpad drivers have been dreadful for years, and from what I'm seeing from other comments, their other drivers aren't much better, anymore. Apple does not seem very interested in making their competitor's OS look good or run well on their hardware.

Really and truly, if you want the best quality for PC gaming, you want a Windows desktop. And desktops are much cheaper, too. If you have to have a Mac laptop, you're usually best to buy the cheapest one you can find (which will run all Mac software just fine), and then buy a midrange PC. This will almost always cost less than a high-end Mac, and will run games a LOT better. Your games won't be portable, but they will run like a dream in comparison to even the biggest, fastest Macs you can buy.

I'm sorry Malor, I've failed you

I bought one today, got a 10% discount soooo... Screen looks great n_n