Torchlight 2 Catch-All

I've admittedly put about 3 times the amount of time into the first one, but I think that's largely down to it hitting when there weren't as many other games competing for my attention. It was (and really the second one too) kind of the perfect low intensity thing to play with the sound off while watching something on tv, but I watch a lot less tv when there are console games that I want to play.

When I play games like this my favourite thing to do is make a minion master with lots of pets running around doing my bidding. Is there any of that in this game? Or maybe in a mod even?

Tamren wrote:

When I play games like this my favourite thing to do is make a minion master with lots of pets running around doing my bidding. Is there any of that in this game? Or maybe in a mod even?

Synergies mod. Play as the necromancer. It's a minion-master's dream.

The first game really grabbed me due to the timing. Diablo 2 was so old and crufty that I wasn't ever going back, but Torchlight mashed all of those same buttons that D2 did.

Torchlight 2? It came after both Torchlight 1 (of course) but also Diablo 3. I bought TL2, and it seemed fine, but it just had no legs because I think I'd already reached my Diablo quota for a few years.

If I get the urge to go back for a "Diablo" game in the future, maybe it'll be TL2.

Coldstream wrote:
Tamren wrote:

When I play games like this my favourite thing to do is make a minion master with lots of pets running around doing my bidding. Is there any of that in this game? Or maybe in a mod even?

Synergies mod. Play as the necromancer. It's a minion-master's dream.

+1

gore wrote:

Torchlight 2? It came after both Torchlight 1 (of course) but also Diablo 3. I bought TL2, and it seemed fine, but it just had no legs because I think I'd already reached my Diablo quota for a few years.

I didn't get D3, but I also played TL2 for about 1/3 the total hours I played TL1. For me it was because TL2 released (after multiple delays) the same week as Borderlands 2, a lootfest game that I was anticipating more than TL2.

MeatMan wrote:

For me it was because TL2 released (after multiple delays) the same week as Borderlands 2, a lootfest game that I was anticipating more than TL2.

Yeah, being matched up against Borderlands 2 by a week was yet another unfortunate bit of timing for the release. It's the headline deal of the day in the steam sale for $5 so maybe the time is finally right?

I picked this one up too, I'm down for some co-op. I've got my, girl with the guns?, to level 17 I believe.

Coldstream wrote:
Tamren wrote:

When I play games like this my favourite thing to do is make a minion master with lots of pets running around doing my bidding. Is there any of that in this game? Or maybe in a mod even?

Synergies mod. Play as the necromancer. It's a minion-master's dream.

Wow the Synergies mod changes a crapton of stuff. Will I miss anything if I install it right off the bat?

And are there any other mods you would recommend? I definitely want a respec potion. That's the only mod I made to the original Torchlight.

Gifted this during the sale, too. Let's light some torches!

Also, can I get an invite to the steam group?

DF7 wrote:

GWJ's Steam Group

Tamren wrote:
Coldstream wrote:
Tamren wrote:

When I play games like this my favourite thing to do is make a minion master with lots of pets running around doing my bidding. Is there any of that in this game? Or maybe in a mod even?

Synergies mod. Play as the necromancer. It's a minion-master's dream.

Wow the Synergies mod changes a crapton of stuff. Will I miss anything if I install it right off the bat?

And are there any other mods you would recommend? I definitely want a respec potion. That's the only mod I made to the original Torchlight.

I'll defer to others for mod recommendations, as I'm generally not a huge mod guy. That said, I played vanilla TL2 for a while and it just lacked...something. Something that TL1 had (and still does, even going back to it). Sort of how no game in my mind has ever been able to duplicate how good the guns 'felt' in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. Synergies does indeed change a lot of stuff, but overall I feel that it was an improved version of TL2 compared to the original. If there's any issue with it, I'd say that there's a possibility of being a bit unbalanced (i.e. you can become pretty powerful fairly quickly) but the overall increase in the challenge of the creatures and dungeons compensates for this nicely. Thinking back, I had a lot more fun after I installed the Synergies mod than I did with the base game. Given that, I'd recommend that you go for it right out of the gate.

Coldstream wrote:
Tamren wrote:
Coldstream wrote:
Tamren wrote:

When I play games like this my favourite thing to do is make a minion master with lots of pets running around doing my bidding. Is there any of that in this game? Or maybe in a mod even?

Synergies mod. Play as the necromancer. It's a minion-master's dream.

Wow the Synergies mod changes a crapton of stuff. Will I miss anything if I install it right off the bat?

And are there any other mods you would recommend? I definitely want a respec potion. That's the only mod I made to the original Torchlight.

I'll defer to others for mod recommendations, as I'm generally not a huge mod guy. That said, I played vanilla TL2 for a while and it just lacked...something. Something that TL1 had (and still does, even going back to it). Sort of how no game in my mind has ever been able to duplicate how good the guns 'felt' in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. Synergies does indeed change a lot of stuff, but overall I feel that it was an improved version of TL2 compared to the original. If there's any issue with it, I'd say that there's a possibility of being a bit unbalanced (i.e. you can become pretty powerful fairly quickly) but the overall increase in the challenge of the creatures and dungeons compensates for this nicely. Thinking back, I had a lot more fun after I installed the Synergies mod than I did with the base game. Given that, I'd recommend that you go for it right out of the gate.

I really wish I could find like just a bullet pointed list of what Synergies does. Explanation of those changes under a sub-point for each main bullet point. For all the time they've been doing this, their features section of their website still refers to the forum... and the forum is lacking in this. For how long both the game and the mod have been out, that's kind of pathetic.

Demosthenes wrote:
Coldstream wrote:
Tamren wrote:
Coldstream wrote:
Tamren wrote:

When I play games like this my favourite thing to do is make a minion master with lots of pets running around doing my bidding. Is there any of that in this game? Or maybe in a mod even?

Synergies mod. Play as the necromancer. It's a minion-master's dream.

Wow the Synergies mod changes a crapton of stuff. Will I miss anything if I install it right off the bat?

And are there any other mods you would recommend? I definitely want a respec potion. That's the only mod I made to the original Torchlight.

I'll defer to others for mod recommendations, as I'm generally not a huge mod guy. That said, I played vanilla TL2 for a while and it just lacked...something. Something that TL1 had (and still does, even going back to it). Sort of how no game in my mind has ever been able to duplicate how good the guns 'felt' in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. Synergies does indeed change a lot of stuff, but overall I feel that it was an improved version of TL2 compared to the original. If there's any issue with it, I'd say that there's a possibility of being a bit unbalanced (i.e. you can become pretty powerful fairly quickly) but the overall increase in the challenge of the creatures and dungeons compensates for this nicely. Thinking back, I had a lot more fun after I installed the Synergies mod than I did with the base game. Given that, I'd recommend that you go for it right out of the gate.

Yeah I agree, an organized list of features would really help. THis is what I found so far but there is more included in the mod not listed here:

SynergiesMOD offers a whole new game for fans of Torchlight 2 and has been in development for over 6 months! SynergiesMOD has had over 70 content patches and has been downloaded over 200,000 times pre-guts!

Join the adventure today!

NEW THINGS ADDED IN THE NORMAL PLAYTHROUGH
-A whole new ACT starting with "Or'Ak pass, Path to the Troll Homeland"
-106 Elite monsters
-106 Hero monsters
-6 Rare dragons
-8 Ancient Trolls
-6 extremely Rare world bosses spawning in the major areas of the map
-A new vendor in Estherian Enclave that will sell alternative leveling dungeon maps
-A portal to the end game TABLE MOUNTAIN city. <This city is meant for end game level 100 use for transition into the raids, it is only included in the start for alternative leveling characters.>
-New quests, new hairstyles, more faces, more customizations!
-New pets associated with the Necromancer and Paladin.
-New HP / Mana and Fame UI
-A PVP dungeon "the warcamp" Available in Tablemountain

A whole new class, the Necromancer. The first truly new class for Torchlight 2.
2 new classes which are NOT finished <WORK IN PROGRESS> Warlock, and Paladin

A WHOLE NEW BALANCE POINT
-Gear is better, monsters are harder, ALL BOSSES are harder.
-Green and Blue magical items have better affix rates, Uniques have better base DPS and Armor.
-Two handed and dual wielding have better bonus's, shields have a small cast delay for their increased survivability.
-Monsters spawn more numerous throughout the game
-Skills unlock at a earlier rate, but take longer to progress between points, ending at or above vanilla standards.

END GAME RAIDS
-Derinkuyu 105 contains 10 randomly selected different maps, sold in tablemountain on the Salan vendor
-7 full sets of legendary armor (70 new legendary armor pieces) set at just above level 100 unique values (harbingers, transcended, etc) each with their own UNIQUE re-textures made exclusively for SynergiesMOD and dropped from Raid Bosses
-18 new Tier0 Legendary Weapons dropped from Raid Bosses
-new Trash mobs for the Derinkuyu 105 dungeon, with raid wide specific 'Trash Loot' tables including another 13 legendary weapons
-14 Brand new raid boss encounters will keep you on your toes, 3 remixed old boss encounters (Grell and Grom the Murderer, Spectral Dragon) Each with their own MMO style loot tables.
-Boon scroll upgrades and much much more!

WWW.SYNERGIESMOD.COM
A full featured website, A full community in motion on the forums.
Helpful 'how to' threads
-Builds, Balance, Class Discussion, Developmental plans and more can be found here!
-Legendary center, already very busy with 'LookingForTrade (LFT) messages" The trading community TL2 always needed!

THE FUTURE OF SYNERGIESMOD
-A dev who has been updating this mod for the last 6 months almost daily will continue to support his community, and his mod in the same fanatical manner he started!

-2 NEW classes almost finished. Paladin and Warlock. Both in their alpha stages and will be updated constantly this week!

-Another whole tier of dungeon encounters and another set of 70 legendary armor pieces (7 full sets) to collect and trade.

-More classes and more content!!!!!

I really wish I could find like just a bullet pointed list of what Synergies does. Explanation of those changes under a sub-point for each main bullet point. For all the time they've been doing this, their features section of their website still refers to the forum... and the forum is lacking in this. For how long both the game and the mod have been out, that's kind of pathetic.

Just started a new game with Synergies as a Necromancer and I'm loving it. Thanks for all the recommendations, everyone.

Also, I'll just say again that I love how quickly you level and get good quality loot in TL2. The phat loot kept me up way too late last night.

I decided to give synergies a chance. Wow. Just use it. Loaded a game in progress, and it seemed to give the game an even better feel.

ebarstad wrote:

Just started a new game with Synergies as a Necromancer and I'm loving it. Thanks for all the recommendations, everyone.

Also, I'll just say again that I love how quickly you level and get good quality loot in TL2. The phat loot kept me up way too late last night.

That was the main draw of TL2 for me... leveling and find loot for upgrades just felt right. Now if only I could have that with an ease of respec/# of potential builds from D3 and I would have the perfect dungeon crawl ARPG,

mrtomaytohead wrote:

I decided to give synergies a chance. Wow. Just use it. Loaded a game in progress, and it seemed to give the game an even better feel.

So it works on an existing save? no need to start over? I have a level 14 engineer I'm liking.

Jeff-66 wrote:
mrtomaytohead wrote:

I decided to give synergies a chance. Wow. Just use it. Loaded a game in progress, and it seemed to give the game an even better feel.

So it works on an existing save? no need to start over? I have a level 14 engineer I'm liking.

Yup. No issues with my existing save.

Jeff-66 wrote:
mrtomaytohead wrote:

I decided to give synergies a chance. Wow. Just use it. Loaded a game in progress, and it seemed to give the game an even better feel.

So it works on an existing save? no need to start over? I have a level 14 engineer I'm liking.

No need to start over. Tho, if you remove the addon on, the game could be weird or reacting weird to some of the items.

Manach wrote:
Jeff-66 wrote:
mrtomaytohead wrote:

I decided to give synergies a chance. Wow. Just use it. Loaded a game in progress, and it seemed to give the game an even better feel.

So it works on an existing save? no need to start over? I have a level 14 engineer I'm liking.

No need to start over. Tho, if you remove the addon on, the game could be weird or reacting weird to some of the items.

Thanks @MrTomaytohead, @Manach

Since it might break vanilla if I decide to stop using it, is there a way to back up your existing game first?

Do you think just backing up and restoring the Torchlight 2 folder under My Documents would do it?

Jeff-66 wrote:
Manach wrote:
Jeff-66 wrote:
mrtomaytohead wrote:

I decided to give synergies a chance. Wow. Just use it. Loaded a game in progress, and it seemed to give the game an even better feel.

So it works on an existing save? no need to start over? I have a level 14 engineer I'm liking.

No need to start over. Tho, if you remove the addon on, the game could be weird or reacting weird to some of the items.

Thanks @MrTomaytohead, @Manach

Since it might break vanilla if I decide to stop using it, is there a way to back up your existing game first?

Do you think just backing up and restoring the Torchlight 2 folder under My Documents would do it?

That should be enough. But once you'll use synergy... You will not want to go back to vanilla, it's like a total upgrade which respect the core game.

Does anyone know of a mod that will keep the narrator from doing this:

"your pet is injured"

"your pet is fleeing"

"your pet has fled"

"your pet has fled"

"your pet has fled"

"your pet has fled"

"your pet has fled"

"your pet is injured"

(repeat)

Drives me nuts.

The Helpful Narrator mod is what you want.

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Hyetalhaussered!

Maybe give your pet some decent gear and use the stances so it doesn't get its ass kicked.

Gracias, Hyetal & MeatMan.

Stele wrote:

Maybe give your pet some decent gear and use the stances so it doesn't get its ass kicked. ;)

I'm playing as a Necromancer on Veteran difficulty and so far things seem to be at the right balance. I only have trouble with larger packs and bosses who put up much more of a fight. All of my minion support gear applies to my pet cat as well, so he kicks ass.

The whole 7/7/7 + 3/3/3 skills and passives setup seems interesting enough. The mod does include a respec potion but it only affects skill points and not attributes. Attributes don't seem to be hugely important, Vitality and Focus affect health and mana, but Dexterity and Strength pretty much just tweak percentages. I guess they also grant access to gear, but all gear can be accessed at a particular level too.

I like having minion swarms but the integration is still a little rough, it doesn't tell me how much damage they do or how much health they have. They also don't show up on radar either so I have to keep track of how many have been destroyed and resummon them periodically. It's satisfying, but it's no Diablo 2, at least not yet. The number of minions ramps up pretty slowly.

It doesn't have the ludicrous complexity that Path of Exile does but it doesn't really need to. Not sure how much of everything is from the synergies mod as I have never played the base game and can't compare the two.

I just downloaded the Synergies mod, but I don't see a necromancer class. Did I do something wrong?

EverythingsTentative wrote:

I just downloaded the Synergies mod, but I don't see a necromancer class. Did I do something wrong?

You don't have the scroll button option at the character screen? Also, do you have any other mods installed? If so, maybe bump Synergies mod to top in the mod config screen.

DOH...I wasn't clicking play with mods.

Do you guys have a particular build you go for in terms of attributes? As a necromancer I think I should be focusing on Focus and Vitality the most. I'm also mixing in a little STR AND DEX to round off my crit percentanges to the nearest 5.