Doctor Who *Spoilers Abound! We've lost Containment*

Yaaay, you're almost at Smith! Yaaaay!

Whew. Yeah we made it. Really enjoyed the last 5 min of "End of Time." I think it got a little dusty in here.

We took a little break watching the Rays game, and then decided to try one episode of S5, Eleventh Hour. Not bad. Maybe it's knowing it was coming or something, but this change doesn't seem to be as jarring.

But looking back a few weeks, and how unsure we were of Tennant is interesting. We sure came around on that. Loved him, and hate to see him go.

Also looking at the dates on those Tennant specials, were there really only 5 episodes of Dr Who from Dec 2009 to Dec 2010? That is a long drought. Almost glad I wasn't watching live and having to wait that long.

Lastly, S5 definitely looks better in HD.

Stele wrote:

Also looking at the dates on those Tennant specials, were there really only 5 episodes of Dr Who from Dec 2009 to Dec 2010? That is a long drought. Almost glad I wasn't watching live and having to wait that long.

I gather Tennant had a packed schedule of other stage and screen roles that year and couldn't spare enough time for a full season of Who. Apparently playing a popular incarnation of the Doctor does wonders for your acting career

Also, insert rant here about kids these days who don't know how good they have it Some of us lived through the drought between McCoy and Eccleston. (As much as it pains me to admit it, I'm old enough to remember when William Hartnell was the one and only Doctor.)

Stele wrote:

Whew. Yeah we made it. Really enjoyed the last 5 min of "End of Time." I think it got a little dusty in here.

We took a little break watching the Rays game, and then decided to try one episode of S5, Eleventh Hour. Not bad. Maybe it's knowing it was coming or something, but this change doesn't seem to be as jarring.

But looking back a few weeks, and how unsure we were of Tennant is interesting. We sure came around on that. Loved him, and hate to see him go.

Also looking at the dates on those Tennant specials, were there really only 5 episodes of Dr Who from Dec 2009 to Dec 2010? That is a long drought. Almost glad I wasn't watching live and having to wait that long.

Lastly, S5 definitely looks better in HD. :cool:

Yeah, that was a horrid drought. I was lucky, I got to see The Eleventh Hour with a few hundred people at WonderCon before it was released. When Smith's name came up, no one cheered or anything because no one knew him. Within 5-10 minutes though, there were plenty of laughs and cheers. I was sold at Fish Custard. Loooove him.

CaptainCrowbar wrote:

(As much as it pains me to admit it, I'm old enough to remember when William Hartnell was the one and only Doctor.)

Heh. On that note, disc one of The Invasion, with Troughton as the 2nd Doctor just came in the mail (I would not have been old enough to remember him). It's fun old stuff, an early Cybermen story, though clearly paced like a weekly serial. There's even a hilarious (accidental?) meta moment where the Doctor has escaped captivity and is running around a compound, and the villain's henchman asked something to the effect of "What does he think he's doing?" and the villain responds "He's just stalling." Ha! Indeed. Anyway, like I said, it's fun--I like the Second Doctor and his rolling crew a lot, it has the second(?) appearance of the Brigadier (who apparently was the Colonel before), and you can see how homage was paid to it in the episodes that brought the Cybermen back.

The neatest bit, is The Invasion is one of the infamous stories with episodes missing. They still had the audio, and I guess either storyboards or a shooting script, so they've animated the visuals, and the style is super evocative.
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Unfortunately, I'm sure it's too much cost to justify doing with all the lost episodes.

Troughton is easily my favorite Doctor of the original run - he's such a schemer underneath everything, yet he never quite strays diabolical. It's a real shame so few Second Doctor stories are complete. Invasion itself is a treat, especially with the animation filling in the gaps - it's executed well enough that it isn't all that jarring when it kicks in. I also think the style really suits the story in terms of tone. And speaking of, some of the old stories have such great cliff-hangers from episode to episode that I find myself wishing it was possible to get just one properly serialized story out of Moffat & Smith, just to see what it'd be like.

ianunderhill wrote:

Troughton is easily my favorite Doctor of the original run - he's such a schemer underneath everything, yet he never quite strays diabolical. It's a real shame so few Second Doctor stories are complete. Invasion itself is a treat, especially with the animation filling in the gaps - it's executed well enough that it isn't all that jarring when it kicks in. I also think the style really suits the story in terms of tone. And speaking of, some of the old stories have such great cliff-hangers from episode to episode that I find myself wishing it was possible to get just one properly serialized story out of Moffat & Smith, just to see what it'd be like.

Good man

Thought others might like this read.

10 Most Depressing Departures of Doctor Who’s Companions

This Saturday, we witness the final days of Amy and Rory, the first married couple in the TARDIS. Their final adventure is bound to be a tear-jerker — but it probably can't be as much of a downer as the endings that some of the Doctor's other companions have had. Doctor Who has a long history of its supporting cast going away in bummer circumstances.

Here are the top 10 absolute most depressing companion departures. So far. Oh, and there are old, old spoilers here.

Note: This list only includes companions from the television series — as Alasdair points out, if you included the audio adventures, then pretty much every one of Paul McGann's companions would be on here. Also, we're not including any companions who basically turned out to be fine later, like Captain Jack.

SpacePPoliceman wrote:

Unfortunately, I'm sure it's too much cost to justify doing with all the lost episodes.

Yeah, apparently this was done as an experiment, and it came out too expensive to do for other shows. I so wish the BBC or someone would do a Kickstarter for that....

ianunderhill wrote:

Troughton is easily my favorite Doctor of the original run - he's such a schemer underneath everything, yet he never quite strays diabolical.

Indeed. There's that great moment where the villain gives the Doctor an ultimatum, threatening Zoe in the process, and the look on the Doctor's face says "You done f*cked up now, son" just about perfectly. I've only seen three other Troughton stories (Tomb of the Cybermen, The Mind Robber, and The War Games), but I wager more learned Who scholars than I could make the case that the later Doctors' habits of emphasizing their own danger to baddies stems from the Second Doctor.

pgroce wrote:

I so wish the BBC or someone would do a Kickstarter for that....

I fear it'd take some mad cable channel owner deciding to rebroadcast them. Which would be great, but, alas.

It's good to see Troughton getting the love he deserves. The Eleventh is very much the Second Doctor but with a much younger body.

farley3k wrote:

Thought others might like this read.

10 Most Depressing Departures of Doctor Who’s Companions

Absolutely agree with #1. I'm still miffed that even though she was brought back for an appearance or two, The Doctor never was able to make this right.

Tanglebones wrote:

BSG actors in Portlandia

Well played, Tanglebones.

KidDork wrote:

It's good to see Troughton getting the love he deserves. The Eleventh is very much the Second Doctor but with a much younger body.

Yup. All the moments where Smith plays it dark and vengeful echo the Second Doctor like crazy. I'm really eager to see what sort of tone the Eleventh takes from tonight's episode onwards, particularly after all the build-up and likely foreshadowing we witnessed in episodes one through three this year.

It's sad, I know, but I am pretty nervous about tonight's episode.

Me too, spider_j. My only hope for it not to be soul-crushing (at least as far as family-friendly light sci-fi adventure tv goes) is for Rory to be insanely heroic once more. That's the only thing that could make me feel good about what's bound to be a heart-breaking series of events.

I was saying last week, and man, this is rough, but...if death is going to be involved, they need to both die.

Well, now that I've seen it ...

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AMELIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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But seriously, that felt kind of rushed. Like the past four episodes. I love the Ponds, but I'm ready for a new companion and some actual adventures.

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It's pretty dusty in here. It's getting in my eyes.

spider_j wrote:
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It's pretty dusty in here. It's getting in my eyes.

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I must of eaten something spicy...

Two things..

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Is it The Doctor that is erasing himself or is it Oswin?

I thought the Pond's went out just as they should.

Demiurge wrote:

Well, now that I've seen it ...

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AMELIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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But seriously, that felt kind of rushed. Like the past four episodes. I love the Ponds, but I'm ready for a new companion and some actual adventures.

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Says the man that can't even wait for it to come on in his time zone to watch it...

And yes, quite dusty in here.

yowza!

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Frakkin' statue of Liberty!!

Moff's still got it, and what's more, he can do insane heartbreak while being insanely humane. For as fast as that all played out, the ending was so perfect, I had to remind myself that I should still feel sad for the Doctor.

That said, let's go Xmas, clap clap, &c.

>Sniff<

Edit for funny observation:

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Rory racked up 3 more deaths in this one episode.

sometimesdee wrote:
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Frakkin' statue of Liberty!!

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The lady and I were wondering about that, after the fact.

The Statue of Liberty is apparently, in that reality/timeline, a massive freaking Weeping Angel. It starts walking around New York City, thumping down the street making massive amounts of noise.

How odd is it that nobody is looking at it? Because, you know, it couldn't be moving around if even a single person in New York City, the City That Never Sleeps, was looking at it wondering why it was taking a stroll down the street in the middle of the night. Right?

It was still funny, though.

[spoiler]one thing that struck me was the lack of people generally. Aside from the collector and his goons, New York was very, very quiet.

The ending for the Ponds was pretty perfect, in reflection. They got to live a life without having to constantly choose between relative, if displaced, normality, and the Doctor. Amy had to make her choice, and made absolutely the right one.

Since when could the Doctor use regeneration energy to heal others? I assume that it is a quirk of his unique relationship with River, or perhaps because it was her energy to start with; if not, he's left a fair few people to die or suffer that he could have saved.

Was there a fight with the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man in this episode?

Keldar wrote:

New York City, the City That Never Sleeps[/spoiler]

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He, yeah, first thing I was thinking at the start; wouldn't a city that never sleeps be the possibly worst place for the weeping angles to be in.