Doctor Who *Spoilers Abound! We've lost Containment*

stevenmack wrote:

Lots of good stuff in the episode though (Dalek's gliding through the German forest screeching in German....actually slightly chilling).

Very much so.

I will say that all of the first 4 season loose ends appeared to be tied up nicely though. Everyone ended up happy, with the macabre exception of Donna. While I applaud RTD for bringing back the Doctor and reinvigorating the series, I dare say I will be happy to see new blood guiding the series.

I thought it was all very ordinary. I wonder if I just don't like Doctor Who when it tries to do big, or whether it is Russell T Davies's fault for just writing deeply cliched stuff, with technobabble saving the day. Someone should explain to Davies that it is more satisfying when the solution to the problem has some level of dramatic foreshadowing, rather than inventing new rules for the universe that let the goodies win.

I'm VERY interested to see Moffat's take on things going forward...the mind that came up with "Blink" can surely come up with something pretty special for a series finale.

I really enjoyed the ending to the season, it was bigger than life and wonderfully cheesy in that Doctor Who kind of way, and it had a fantastic dramatic moment at the end.

There were so many excellent moments. I especially loved a lot of what happened in the vault. Some of the best stuff happens I find, when seeing the Doctor at his most vulnerable. I also enjoy watching the moments when it gets all turned around, because they are so fun and full of life.

This show has been incredible since they first brought it back, there haven't been many missteps and I can't wait for the Christmas special!

Someone mind cluing me in as to how everyone on the west side of the pond was able to watch the final episode nearly a month before it aired on the Sci-Fi Channel?

Is it available through BBC iPlayer in the land of the fee?

Rat Boy wrote:

Someone mind cluing me in as to how everyone on the west side of the pond was able to watch the final episode nearly a month before it aired on the Sci-Fi Channel?

I'll give you hints. It involves peg legs, eye patches and parrots.

Cramps wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:

Someone mind cluing me in as to how everyone on the west side of the pond was able to watch the final episode nearly a month before it aired on the Sci-Fi Channel?

I'll give you hints. It involves peg legs, eye patches and parrots.

Oh, has my uncle Larry been in your neighbourhood? Why he has a parrot with a peg leg and an eye patch, I don't know.

I thought it was a good finale, though the "OMG we're doomed" reactions from everyone from the Daleks seemed a bit out of character for some (considering how many times they've been defeated). Actually, the Daleks as an enemy have annoyed me since after Rose killed them. It's this continuous "Oh, they're all dead -- no wait, some are alive. Now they're all dead -- oops, some more. Now..."

It really was sad to see all of Donna's development vanish, but then she kind of lives on in a way in Doctor Two.

Funkenpants wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:

It's this continuous "Oh, they're all dead -- no wait, some are alive. Now they're all dead -- oops, some more. Now..."

It really was sad to see all of Donna's development vanish, but then she kind of lives on in a way in Doctor Two.

Going by the way things have worked so far, she'll be coming back if she wants at some point. Rose going away was supposed to be permanent, and looked how that turned out. There's a certain soap-operish nature to Russell T. Davis' version of the Doctor that has just got to stop. How can I accept the tragedy when I can't be sure that it will stick through next season?

I also realized watching the finale that Tennant's version of the Doctor is a very close to the version we'd see from Tom Cruise. Is there an episode in which he doesn't cry, whoop crazily, and stare at the camera with deep, soulful eyes? He's had some great moments, but sometime in the next season I wouldn't mind them changing him out for a new Doctor.

Yeah, having Donna imitate him kind of laid that bare, didn't it? I like Tennant fine, but I'm glad that RTD will be handing it over after the specials next year. Really, the most powerful Dalek episode in the new series to me was the first one, where Rose finds the single weak one in captivity. But you didn't have them becoming human or crossing parallel dimensions yet, so the claims of how dangerous they were could be accepted. Overall, I liked the finale. Tough break for Donna. Did anybody else think that we should've seen scenes of entire Third World villages laid to waste from the Tardis pulling the Earth back into position? Because you know it happened.

buzzvang wrote:

Did anybody else think that we should've seen scenes of entire Third World villages laid to waste from the Tardis pulling the Earth back into position? Because you know it happened.

Third World Doctor used his Straw Hut Tardus to right those wrongs. Do you people even watch Third World Doctor Who?

Quintin_Stone wrote:

It's this continuous "Oh, they're all dead -- no wait, some are alive. Now they're all dead -- oops, some more. Now..."

It really was sad to see all of Donna's development vanish, but then she kind of lives on in a way in Doctor Two.

Going by the way things have worked so far, she'll be coming back if she wants at some point. Rose going away was supposed to be permanent, and look how that turned out. There's a certain soap-operish nature to Russell T. Davis' version of the Doctor that has just got to stop. How can I accept the tragedy that befell Donna when I can't be sure that she won't recover her memory sometime next season?

I also realized watching the finale that Tennant's version of the Doctor is a very close to the version we'd see from Tom Cruise. Is there an episode in which he doesn't cry, whoop crazily, and stare at the camera with deep, soulful eyes? He's had some great moments, but sometime in the next season I wouldn't mind them changing him out for a new Doctor.

Finished the fourth season myself and thought it wasn't bad. It was spotty, but definitely picked up at the end, kind of like last season actually. I'll agree with everyone here that Davies has done good work, but it's time for him to go, I'd be nervous about another season done by him.

However, his last finale was pretty good. I didn't nearly have the focus previous finale's did (and especially wasn't nearly as good as the 3rd season's finale) but his everything-and-the-kitchen-sink approach was a great way to top off 4 seasons of Doctor Who. I heard that every episode had some reference in it that was used in the finale. I was looking for them and counted quite a few.

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The shadow proclamation was awesome. And the bees disappearing. And the lost moon of poof. It was cool to see the Doctor's jumble speak, that kind of stuff he would just throw at baddies to get them to slow down, come to life. 2 Doctors was also pretty good. I was afraid they're going to have a lengthy dialogue about, Oh, you look good in blue, thanks, do I know you? You look familiar, but thankfully it didn't happen.[/color]

I have mixed feelings about Donna, she wasn't bad at spots, but felt like a wasted opportunity. Here they created this really irritable, witty woman but they let her fall into the same companion attitude of empathy and needing the doctor to save her. The spots were she was self-sufficient, solving problems and berating the doctor for not figuring it out were the best. Plus, that mole on the left side of her jaw was huge; it was so distracting!

As it looks like the next doctor who is a while aways (2010), I figured I'd rank them so I might go buy a season for two.

1. Latter half of season 3
2. Whole of season 2 (forgetting about that silly episode with the absorbing blob monster)
3. Whole of season 1
4. First half of season 3
5. Season 4

Notable episodes were: Human Nature/Family of Blood and Blink from season 3, as well its finale arc and Midnight, Silence in the Library/Forest of Shadows from 4. I can't remember any episode names from the first two seasons, but I seem to recall a devil arc that was good in the second.

Any thoughts?

Doug wrote:

Any thoughts?

Yes. I love Doctor Who, and Torchwood too.

Rat Boy wrote:

Someone mind cluing me in as to how everyone on the west side of the pond was able to watch the final episode nearly a month before it aired on the Sci-Fi Channel?

I used a Tardis. No, wait, the other thing. I used a torrent.

*Legion* wrote:

I used a Tardis. No, wait, the other thing. I used a torrent.

I am very tempted to sig that!

The Christmas Special this year is called The Next Doctor...it seems a bit too easy, really!

*Legion* wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:

Someone mind cluing me in as to how everyone on the west side of the pond was able to watch the final episode nearly a month before it aired on the Sci-Fi Channel?

I used a Tardis. No, wait, the other thing. I used a torrent.

Agreed. And I love both shows, but more so Doctor Who. I was VERY sad at what happened to Donna, but I'm hoping and praying we see her again.

Doug wrote:

Notable episodes were: Human Nature/Family of Blood and Blink from season 3, as well its finale arc and Midnight, Silence in the Library/Forest of Shadows from 4. I can't remember any episode names from the first two seasons, but I seem to recall a devil arc that was good in the second.

Any thoughts?

Girl in the Fireplace is still one of my favorites. It is from season 2. I also found the devils ones - The Impossible Planet and The Satan Pit to be excellent from season 2.

Girl was written by Stephen Moffat along with Blink, Silence in the Library and Forest of the Dead these are about my favorites for the show so far so I am very happy he is taking over for the 2010 season as head writer and executive producer. I think he can make the show even more fantastic!

farley3k wrote:

Girl was written by Stephen Moffat along with Blink, Silence in the Library and Forest of the Dead these are about my favorites for the show so far so I am very happy he is taking over for the 2010 season as head writer and executive producer. I think he can make the show even more fantastic!

Wait, what? When did this happen?

NOW I understand that cryptic message a friend sent me when I was on Twitter yapping about how much I loved the Moffat episodes.

Wow. Pure awesome.

Blink is the best episode of Who in total. Moffat is at his best taking mundane stuff and settings and making them frightening. However, you have to give credit to Davies for "Midnight." No huge effects and a really simple premise just amp the tension in this one.

Doug wrote:

As it looks like the next doctor who is a while aways (2010),

Wha? When did they decide that? That's crazy. I needs the next season during next season.

Tenant is doing a run of Hamlet for the Royal Shakespear Company so the show is going on something of a hiatus. Supposedly there will be two television movies, not including the Christmas special this year, to hold us over. Rumor has it that one of the movies will deal with the time war and may star Paul Mcgann.

Then ditch Tenant. It's time for a new doctor anyway. Give me my Doctor Who on time, dammit.

Funkenpants wrote:

Then ditch Tenant. It's time for a new doctor anyway. Give me my Doctor Who on time, dammit.

This could be a problem if they decide to stick with show canon. Time Lords only have 12 regens and the Doctor is on his tenth.

Funkenpants wrote:

Then ditch Tenant. It's time for a new doctor anyway. Give me my Doctor Who on time, dammit.

I think that it has more to do with the switch from Davies to Moffatt than Tennant's other obligations, as well as some concern about exhausting the brand. It is not that common for a show with this kind of marque value to run year after year in the UK anyway, given the "unique" way in which the BBC is funded.

Indignant wrote:

Time Lords only have 12 regens and the Doctor is on his tenth.

I could have sworn that a long time ago they said it was nine. But maybe I'm confusing doctors with cats.

Funkenpants wrote:

Then ditch Tenant. It's time for a new doctor anyway.

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Indignant wrote:
Funkenpants wrote:

Then ditch Tenant. It's time for a new doctor anyway. Give me my Doctor Who on time, dammit.

This could be a problem if they decide to stick with show canon. Time Lords only have 12 regens and the Doctor is on his tenth.

They actually have 13 regens, but that was a Gallifreyian rule, so it could be out the window at this point.

Veloxi wrote:
Indignant wrote:
Funkenpants wrote:

Then ditch Tenant. It's time for a new doctor anyway. Give me my Doctor Who on time, dammit.

This could be a problem if they decide to stick with show canon. Time Lords only have 12 regens and the Doctor is on his tenth.

They actually have 13 regens, but that was a Gallifreyian rule, so it could be out the window at this point.

12 regens, 13 lives. He's regened 9 times, so its his tenth life --He didn't Regen when he started! This has been splitting hairs theater.

Nimcosi wrote:
Funkenpants wrote:

Then ditch Tenant. It's time for a new doctor anyway.

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I'm with this guy.