Doctor Who *Spoilers Abound! We've lost Containment*

73 yards
After thinking on it a bit and watching it again I have theory. Ruby is some kind of god, maybe the daughter of NPH. The Twist actress is probably her mother. Anyway her true form is like one of those gods that make you go insane just by looking at them.

Now why is that important. When the doctor stepped on the ring it broke the magic hiding Ruby's true form. The Tardis however was set to do whatever it could to stop chaotic events from happening. The Doctor did this in episode one when Ruby got turned into some kind of butterfly creature. after the doctor stepped on a butter fly.

So the Tardis is hiding Ruby's true form but since Ruby is a god the tardis can't do a complete job of it. The old lady and the 73 yards are caused by the tardis not being able to hide Ruby. However, as long as Ruby doesn't bring attention to the old lady the tardis can keep god form hidden.

Ruby tells the doctor about the old lady. We don't see it but this causes the doctor to run off like all the other people. I think he ran into the tardis and locked Ruby out.

Note something,. talking to the old lady isn't wasn't causes people to freak and run. Looking at Ruby after talking to the lady is what is freaking them out. Each time someone talks to the old lady they look back at Ruby and bolt. They are seeing her insane god form and it is breaking their brains.

While all this is going on the tardis is still doing its best to fix the time paradox but it can only do so with Ruby's help. When the old lady and ruby merge this is tardis finally bringing ruby to a point where she can set things back. Or maybe it was more Ruby finally realizing what she needed to do which allowed the tardis to merge them.

Dot and Bubble
I really liked this episode. Right away I noticed there were only white people in the matrix. However, I thought it was just a production thing. I liked that they had a reason for it this time. The slug monsters were also cool. They were real props. The episode itself was very black mirror but even more on the nose.

I don't really consider this a doctor lite episode. I liked the amount of time he was in it. Also like the reliance more on the new characters. Thought the evil girl did a good job. The betrayal was brutal. Loved Ricky also.

On the bad side I didn't care for the slugs and dot being both part of the plot. Why make slug monsters when you have tiny phantasm balls that can kill people. On the other hand aliens don't really have to make sense.

All in all I think it is the best episode so far.

farley3k wrote:

Dart and bubble was pretty crappy. no real set up no indication how the doctor found out about this place, no indication of what race they are, where they’re from anything, no real resolution about why the monsters were doing this. Just really really poor.

Not all episodes need to spend time on setting up why the Doctor is there. It's well established that the Tardis often seems to land randomly but gets him where he needs to be. The Doctor actively looks for trouble to solve. The plot was made more compelling by the slow reveal of why the Doctor wasn't physically able to be there in person.

The populations race isn't important

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(ironically enough given the episodes twist ending).

What's important is the fact that they are all

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white, (the meta narrative being how long it took the viewer to spot that), and their entitled rich kid status.

It's explained in the episode that the monsters were

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artificially created by Fine Time. The AI housed in the Dots had grown to dispise the population it was serving and was killing them all off alphabetically by walking them into the monsters. We can speculate about the monsters. Maybe they were as benign a tool as waste disposal before they were commandeered by the Dots. Maybe something more sinister given the ending.

I always enjoy episodes heavy on the sci-fi. This one was very clever and is definitely one to watch again to pick up on all the

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racist micro aggressions missed the first time around.

Lindy's reactions to seeing the Doctor compared to seeing Ruby.

Lindy saying that the Doctor isn't as stupid as he looks.

Lindy saying that the Doctor will be disciplined later.

The cleverness here is that to people who don't experience these sorts of aggressions on a daily basis they can be easily missed or interpreted as social aggression. Lindy might have been looking down on the Doctor because he wasn't one of the rich elite.

It's only when we get to the episodes end that we see that the population are Aryan space racists and the racism is so ingrained that they can't even except help from the Doctor, dooming themselves to extinction. (And possibly the extinction of their entire race.)

It's here that Ncuti Gatwa excels himself. His laughter turning into an anguished wail. His speech about not caring about what they think, "just let me help you" brought a tear to my eye.

To cap it all. As one Redditor put it.

We were too busy looking down on these characters who were too engrossed in what's in front of them to realize what was happening in the periphery. Meanwhile, we were in the exact same situation.

I really liked this episode, it felt a lot like the classic, old-timey, ancient episodes of the 00’s. I was concerned about this season because the first two episodes whiffed for me but every episode since has been fantastic.

ruhk wrote:

I really liked this episode, it felt a lot like the classic, old-timey, ancient episodes of the 00’s. I was concerned about this season because the first two episodes whiffed for me but every episode since has been fantastic.

Same. Yes, it was very much like a Black Mirror mixed with Jordan Morris's graphic novel Bubble, but that's a good thing generally.

Dot & Bubble - I hated the main character and was unconcerned with the propect of her dying even before any of the betrayals or revelations. I suspect that was probably by design. There's a version of this episode where she turns over a new leaf, and I think the episode succeeded at what it was attempting to say.

73 yards - not really a fan. Doctor Who has always been terrible sci-fi due to it not caring about continuity of tech or continuity generally, but it has always laid out the rules so we can understand what's going on. This just felt like an episode from a different show without enough modification to make it fit the Who style.

DudleySmith wrote:

73 yards - not really a fan. Doctor Who has always been terrible sci-fi due to it not caring about continuity of tech or continuity generally, but it has always laid out the rules so we can understand what's going on. This just felt like an episode from a different show without enough modification to make it fit the Who style.

Ah, yes! You've said something that I've been struggling to put my finger on for the past couple of weeks. It felt a little like a story from 'Sapphire and Steel', with a bit of 'Tales of the Unexpected' thrown in. (We really were blessed with some unsettling shows in the UK in 1970s). The only difference, of course, is that those two shows - I think - always explained the events they depicted.

Doctor Who has always explained its stories too, so '73 yards' was a real departure from the shows format. We never learn what the woman in black actually says to those who speak with her. And we never learn where the Doctor initially disappeared to.

I think that - if not corrected in later episodes - this sets a 'dangerous' precedent for future episodes and the entire show. They could spiral into every more fantastical, illogical and continuity-breaking events and storylines that are never explained, never resolved. It would become like 'Lost', which must surely be televisions low point when it comes to disrespecting the viewer.

Yes. Would have been a perfect Sapphire and Steel episode.

strangederby wrote:

Yes. Would have been a perfect Sapphire and Steel episode.

You've encouraged me to dust of my DVD boxset of 'Sapphire and Steel' this weekend.

Detroit20 has been assigned.

Rogue - Oh My Bridgerton! What an emotional rollercoaster.

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I was hoping for a good minute that Rogue would be the new Captain Jack Harkness.

All right, fine, I'll give Bridgerton a try next chance I get!

Another episode to file away in the box of the Doctor morale compass is basically like doing a non-lethal run through of Dishonoured.

On Rogue

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Basically Captain Jack 2.0 with less problematic actor. I'm not a fan of the Doctor romances, I find all the best companions (Graham, Donna, Bill) are all the ones who have no romance involved at all, while the more in love they are, the duller/more annoying they are (Rose, Yaz) and this was no different.

Also Rogue is the man who waited - calling it here

Rat Boy wrote:

All right, fine, I'll give Bridgerton a try next chance I get!

If Bridgerton doesn't have cosplaying aliens, I want no part of it.

It was a really fun episode, but I felt it was too rushed to make any of the emotional beats land like they wanted. It was too quick for me to really buy any real pathos in the Doctor plot, and Ruby's plot ended in a slightly boring way for me.

Watched Rogue. My review, SCANDALOUS!

From King to rouge

sometimesdee wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:

All right, fine, I'll give Bridgerton a try next chance I get!

If Bridgerton doesn't have cosplaying aliens, I want no part of it.

Somebody at some point over at the BBC and Disney had to be wondering, "Hey, why are we giving free advertising to another show?"

One thing I have really noticed this series is how zeitgeisty it's trying to be (with its language and referring to Bridgerton instead of, say, Austen). I get the feeling that even 5 years hence it'll feel incredibly dated. I don't know if that's true of the other series as much. Maybe I haven't gone back to them as much

I liked this one a lot, back to classic Who. Colin Firth's handsome sequel is welcome back any time.

I saw some comments out there questioning the side room conversation that Ruby was spying on, since both of the characters turned out to be birds. Clearly those people have never been on an RP server in an MMO.

Dryden wrote:

I saw some comments out there questioning the side room conversation that Ruby was spying on, since both of the characters turned out to be birds. Clearly those people have never been on an RP server in an MMO.

Exactly. They obviously haven't heard of LARPing.

DudleySmith wrote:

One thing I have really noticed this series is how zeitgeisty it's trying to be (with its language and referring to Bridgerton instead of, say, Austen). I get the feeling that even 5 years hence it'll feel incredibly dated. I don't know if that's true of the other series as much. Maybe I haven't gone back to them as much

Bridgerton actually has Black people in it, which can't be said for most Austen adaptations. I think mentioning Bridgerton was a very calculated move on the writers' part, as it makes Gatwa's appearance as The Doctor less conspicuous in that environment.

DudleySmith wrote:

One thing I have really noticed this series is how zeitgeisty it's trying to be (with its language and referring to Bridgerton instead of, say, Austen). I get the feeling that even 5 years hence it'll feel incredibly dated. I don't know if that's true of the other series as much. Maybe I haven't gone back to them as much

This thought occurred to me too! At one point, the string quintet at the ball was playing 'Bad Guy' by Billie Eilish. However, I think the 'Bridgerton' references were fleeting enough to not bother viewers in the medium future (though I think we may be underestimating the legs that Bridgerton may have - costume dramas tend to age quite well).

Another thought that occurred to me was that this story might have been told better over two or even three episodes. The Doctor's whirlwind romance was just a little too quick for my liking. It might have been more convincing over an hour, than over 30 minutes. That would have allowed Rogue and the Doctor's mutual attraction to develop in a more natural feeling way.

Also, it would have allowed a "my gahd, there's more than one shape-shifter" cliff-hanger ending to an episode. Instead, those reveals felt a little underwhelming... rushed as they were.

And this brings me to the other thing that's been nagging away at me: I don't think the 'Monster of the Week' format allows Doctor Who to retain its character and its distinctiveness. I need to be careful here with a very, very dated reference, but the show has more than a whiff of the X-Files about it; every week, a new case to be solved.

Watching classic 'Who' on i-Player last year, what struck me was the fact that - for most of its existence - Doctor Who stories were either 4 or 6 episodes long. Occasionally, they'd be stretched to seven parts. And two and three parters started to appear in Season 22. But mostly they were told over four 30 minute episodes. New Who abandoned all that... which I think was right. No one wants to wade through clunker of a story told over 6 parts. But the problem now is that really good stories don't get enough time to breathe.

Yes! My family and I had the same thought - it already felt a bit like Family of Blood / Human Nature (the group of enemies, period English setting) and I think we felt they concept could have been stretched out that long, especially if they want us to believe that Fifteen cares that much about Rogue. Surely it would be the cheapest way to get more episodes in a season is to have more 2-parters - same sets, same actors?

Dryden wrote:

I saw some comments out there questioning the side room conversation that Ruby was spying on, since both of the characters turned out to be birds. Clearly those people have never been on an RP server in an MMO.

Maybe neither of them knew the other was one of them. The bit with Ruby at the end makes it clear that the bird people can't tell other cosplaying birds from real humans.

CaptainCrowbar wrote:
Dryden wrote:

I saw some comments out there questioning the side room conversation that Ruby was spying on, since both of the characters turned out to be birds. Clearly those people have never been on an RP server in an MMO.

Maybe neither of them knew the other was one of them. The bit with Ruby at the end makes it clear that the bird people can't tell other cosplaying birds from real humans.

They actually can tell the difference. Ruby was using their scent to disguise herself. The room thing was just because they are serious about their cosplay.

Ooooo! Loved the Rogue episode. I would say that is the first great episode with the new doctor.

Holy f*cking sh*t, drop what you're doing and watch The Legend of Ruby Sunday right the f*ck now!

It's felt like for the last twenty years of Doctor Who that there's been this grace period whenever a new Doctor shows up before dipping in to the past lore...

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... and not only did we get that, but it was a partial headfake before different branch of past lore.

I lost it at the Theresa May dance… that’s all I’m gonna say until y’all catch up.

So UNIT twigged to the significance of S. Triad, but didn't think there was anything sus about H. Arbinger?