Doctor Who *Spoilers Abound! We've lost Containment*

ruhk wrote:

I liked her characterization of the Doctor but I feel like she was let down by the writing.

Strong agree.

Capaldi was also mostly let down by the writing, but yeah not as badly as Whittaker. Damn.

Capaldi is quite possibly my favourite Doctor (competing with Tennant) but yeah, Capaldi had to do a lot with a little.

Capaldi is definitely my all-time favorite because even when he had sh*t to work with -- which was a lot -- he still f*cking owned that role.


The episodes and general writing may not have been as strong but his presence and the way he carried himself wrapping the arc from Eccleston through to Day of the Doctor, with him being the first Doctor not living with the trauma of believing he was responsible for the loss of his home and the way he drove that feeling home in his speech in the Zygon Inversion. I Loved it.

The latest special showed up on HBO Max, and I feel very:


Or that was how I felt, until the reveal of, dear Lord, the


f*cking support group for former companions, maybe the stupidest thing I've ever seen, and I hate it with a force that shocks even me for reasons I can't fully express.

It's going to haunt me. I'm certain friends will keep me from drinking because I keep bringing it up when I do.

Capaldi had, in my opinion, the best companion ever in Bill Potts. He also had the absolute best Master/Mistress in Michelle Gomez. Both were instrumental in making his death the most emotionally meaningful.

Gods, I wanted more time with Billy. She was so great.

Veloxi wrote:

Gods, I wanted more time with Billy. She was so great.

How they ended her with the water girl gave me hope we would see her again, but the best they were able to do was the digital replacement. It felt a bit like a ripoff.

Still a better ending than f*cking Donna Noble.

Veloxi wrote:

Still a better ending than f*cking Donna Noble.

Yeah. That was a mess. She deserved better. So did Wilf.

Every companion had a better ending than Donna...I guess I should say "modern," but still.

Yeah, I'm hoping they do her right in these upcoming specials.

Dodo had the worst ending by far. (Just plain left offscreen to save money irl.) Or if you want a tragic ending then Katarina. Sacrificed herself by opening an airlock door and ejected into space.

Had this thought walking around EPCOT in Disney World the other day: imagine if the whole experience, from the future stuff to the World's Showcase, was guided by Ncuti Gatwa's 15th Doctor?

Just noticed this was posted on the previous page but it is fun so go watch it!

farley3k wrote:

Just noticed this was posted on the previous page but it is fun so go watch it!

I've watched it like 30 times.

Yus. You better right the wrong that was how you left Donna Noble, Davies.

Awesome! I can't wait for more time-traveling sci-fi nonsense!!!

And in case you are tasked with stalking me, yes, I always appreciate The Doctor, their companions, and all things Who!

Yes please!

Doctor Who Wants to Keep Animating Its Missing History

As Doctor Who nears another milestone anniversary, the long shadow of the BBC’s loss of almost a hundred stories from the earliest eras of the show—destroyed in the process of archival junking in TV’s nascent age—still lingers. But the corporation is still clinging to one lifeline that could still let fans experience this missing history.

Although several episodes have been recovered in fits and starts in the years since the BBC concluded its policy of junking archival programming in the mid 1970s, of the 253 individual episodes of Doctor Who broadcast in the ‘60s across the tenures of William Hartnell and Patrick Troughton’s Doctors, 97 episodes are still lost. And while there’s still very small chances some of those stories could be recovered, the further time marches on, the less likely copies of those missing tales will ever see the light of day—whether they exist at all or are kept from public access in private collections.

But that doesn’t mean these stories are entirely gone forever. Thanks in part to the effort of Doctor Who fans over the years—who, in an age of television where repeat broadcasts were a glimmer in the mind’s eye, would make audio recordings of shows to re-experience them—the BBC has a complete audio archive of Doctor Who’s early era, an archive that has helped form the basis over the past few years for a series of Doctor Who home releases that bring those episodes back to life in animated form. At a screening for the British Film Institute for the latest of these releases—an animated adaptation of the Patrick Troughton serial “The Underwater Menace,” which has two episodes of four total missing from the archives—executive producer Paul Hembury said the hope is to keep going until every missing episode lives on in animated form.

That is, as long as Doctor Who fans keep the market alive to support the remakes, that is. “As long as there’s an audience out there who want to see them, then we will endeavor to continue,” Hembury told audiences (via Radio Times). “The DVD and Blu-ray market isn’t getting any bigger and it was a significant contributor to the financing that we used to make these, so it’s really incumbent upon us to say, ‘OK, if we’re going to be seeing less revenue from that source, we need to be able to replace it’–and more, because our budgets have gone up pretty significantly. So we just need to be able to make it balance out.”

For now, while more animated releases are expected beyond “Underwater Menace,” Hembury was hesitant to commit beyond a hope that eventually every missing story would live on in this format. “We don’t have a five, 10-year plan to work through. We do them one at a time,” the producer continued. “In all truth, I don’t know whether we’ll ever get to a situation where we’ve done every one. [But] there is something coming.”

His comments come at a time where the BBC, on the advent of Doctor Who’s 60th anniversary next month, is trying to make good on a living archive of the show’s long history. In the UK from November 1, fans will be able to, for the first time, stream over 800 episodes of Doctor Who in a single place—the corporation’s own streaming platform, BBC iPlayer—from across its history. And although that effort in and of itself has been hit by some very peculiar setbacks that mean even some non-missing stories are absent, it’s a commitment that, alongside the corporation’s desire to re-animate missing episodes, shows that it is at least trying to do right by the mistakes it made long in the past.

“I’d like to thank the BBC for all the hard work, to get this massive back catalogue under one roof, at long last,” returning showrunner Russell T. Davies said in a statement at the time of the streaming archive’s announcement. “I’m so excited for new viewers—imagine being 8 years old, spending winter afternoons exploring the ‘60s, ‘70s, ‘80s and beyond. And we’re determined this won’t be a dusty museum—we have exciting plans to bring the back catalogue to life, with much more to be revealed!”

Fingers crossed that future includes Hembury’s hopes to bring Doctor Who’s missing history to life in at least some visual form.

The show needs as much post-production time as it can get. It makes sense that the production wouldn't wait for their first season to air before starting on the second.

At Last, Doctor Who Christmas Specials Are Officially Back

After teasing the return of Doctor Who’s traditional Christmas special, the BBC and Disney have confirmed that Ncuti Gatwa’s debut episode as the Doctor will air on Christmas Day 2023—the series’ first holiday broadcast in six years.

In a new press release for its festive programing slate, Disney+—the new international streaming home of Doctor Who going forward—confirmed that Doctor Who’s next Christmas special will stream on the service (and, presumably, broadcast simultaneously on the BBC in the UK and Ireland) on December 25. The episode, titled “The Church on Ruby Road,” will mark Ncuti Gatwa’s official debut as the 15th Doctor and, judging by the title, will introduce Gatwa’s first companion, Millie Gibson’s Ruby Sunday.

“The Church on Ruby Road” will be Doctor Who’s first Christmas broadcast since Peter Capaldi’s final episode, “Twice Upon a Time,” in 2017. In one unpopular move among many during the tenure of former Doctor Who showrunner Chris Chibnall, with Jodie Whittaker’s 13th Doctor the series moved to airing new special episodes on New Year’s Day instead of Christmas Day.

Although a week’s difference may not seem like much to many, the breaking of a 12-year tradition proved to be something of a mistake for the series—New Year’s Day is not only a significantly less-lucrative day in the calendar in terms of TV ratings compared to Christmas Day in the UK, Doctor Who’s run of specials under Chibnall didn’t really capitalize on New Years itself in the way prior specials capitalized on Christmas, lending them an air of spectacle that drew in the wide family audience Doctor Who had cultivated since its return in 2005.

The series had made a name for itself in the festive TV canon with big adventures that attracted high-profile guest stars, like Catherine Tate in “The Runaway Bride,” leading to her eventual return as full-time companion Donna Noble, and popstar Kylie Minogue in “The Voyage of the Damned,” one of the most-watched episodes of Who’s modern era. The New Year’s specials, in contrast, were all relatively understated affairs—and for the most part, focused on the return of perpetual series villains the Daleks, which gets significantly less special when they return multiple times across the series anyway.

The return to a festive time slot is just one of many former staples of Doctor Who returning showrunner Russell T. Davies is bringing back—including stars David Tennant and the aforementioned Tate, who will return as the Doctor and Donna starting November 25 on BBC One and Disney+ for a trio of weekly special episodes celebrating the show’s 60th anniversary.

Huh, Disney+? Is HBO losing their streaming rights?

merphle wrote:

Huh, Disney+? Is HBO losing their streaming rights?

Oh no it's a complete clusterf*ck outside the UK, where BBC has every episode.

HBO is keeping the new Who 1-13. And specials if they have them? All of that was on Amazon Prime until 4 or 5 years ago?

Disney+ is getting all new episodes starting with the Tennant special this month. And going forward will have all new stuff. But isn't getting any of 1-13. So no chance to bring in new fans to catch up.

I'm currently re-listening to the 2009 audio series, 'The Nest Cottage Chronicles', starring Tom Baker and Susan Jameson (not as 'Leela', but as 'Mrs Wibbsey'). Richard Franklin also reprises his role as Mike Yates.

I'd heard it before, but not really given it the time and attention it deserved. The scripts are fantastic. It really is a tour de force performance by Baker, more than ably supported by Jameson. There is something arch about Baker's performance. There's real relish in the way that he plays with his lines, the phrases within the lines, and the words within the phrases... finding whiffs of 'Carry On-ish' innuedo when none should really exist.

The series' writer, Paul Magrs, talked about it on his blog. It's a delightful read in itself.

Anyway, I heartily endorse 'The Nest Cottage Chronicles' for those who haven't listened to it already. It's worth noting that it isn't really a radio version of the script for a Doctor Who tv story. It's a different format.

Stele wrote:
merphle wrote:

Huh, Disney+? Is HBO losing their streaming rights?

Oh no it's a complete clusterf*ck outside the UK, where BBC has every episode.

HBO is keeping the new Who 1-13. And specials if they have them? All of that was on Amazon Prime until 4 or 5 years ago?

Disney+ is getting all new episodes starting with the Tennant special this month. And going forward will have all new stuff. But isn't getting any of 1-13. So no chance to bring in new fans to catch up.

What an absolute cluster. Why this is happening when BBCAmerica and BritBox exist is beyond me.