Doctor Who *Spoilers Abound! We've lost Containment*

Veloxi wrote:
Tscott wrote:

So everyone's going to debate the morality of killing the bad guy in the episode, but gloss over the fact that a sweet, innocent woman was killed and the only reaction from the Doctor seemed to be "Well, wasn't that clever of the AI?"

That was our biggest problem with the episode. Make a likeable female character only so she can be killed in order to try to affect the villain. The lack of reaction from the Doctor also seemed really odd. At the time I took it as "The needs of the many..." Yadda yadda, as her actions DID save thousands of lives, but still, really weird.

I feel like I'm watching these now more for Graham than anything else.

Not much different from making a likeable female minority character only so she can be killed in order to affect Graham and Ryan...

That new TARDIS design should have been a giveaway.

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Well played, Clock!

sometimesdee wrote:
Veloxi wrote:
Tscott wrote:

So everyone's going to debate the morality of killing the bad guy in the episode, but gloss over the fact that a sweet, innocent woman was killed and the only reaction from the Doctor seemed to be "Well, wasn't that clever of the AI?"

That was our biggest problem with the episode. Make a likeable female character only so she can be killed in order to try to affect the villain. The lack of reaction from the Doctor also seemed really odd. At the time I took it as "The needs of the many..." Yadda yadda, as her actions DID save thousands of lives, but still, really weird.

I feel like I'm watching these now more for Graham than anything else.

Not much different from making a likeable female minority character only so she can be killed in order to affect Graham and Ryan...

Yeah, we weren't fond of that either, truth be told.

Why? That's what support characters are for. What made her death pointless was the lack of change in the guy after that.

liquid wrote:

Why? That's what support characters are for. What made her death pointless was the lack of change in the guy after that.

You are very consistent. I’ll give you that.

Here you go.

That refrigerator would so go with my grey countertops. Drool.

oilypenguin wrote:
liquid wrote:

Why? That's what support characters are for. What made her death pointless was the lack of change in the guy after that.

You are very consistent. I’ll give you that.

Here you go.

Still, literally the job of a support character. Gender and race are irrelevant, especially when it comes from the writers of Who.

liquid wrote:

Gender and race are irrelevant

Nope.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
liquid wrote:

Gender and race are irrelevant

Nope.

Representation is important.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
liquid wrote:

Gender and race are irrelevant

Nope.

Yeah, not like they made a big deal of The Doctor jumping through a glass ceiling. Or Yaz's grandma during the separation of India and Pakistan. Or Ryan talking about being unneccessarily stopped by police. Or the entire Rosa Parks episode.

Just caught up to episode 6 (Pakistan) and it is by far my favorite so far. It really cements the new doctor for me. I liked her well enough, but I really loved her in this one. She could very well end up as my second favorite doctor. And the Demons were just so well done.

Another good representation matters episode. Seems a bit weird the Doctor would try and go to Liz the First’s coronation, but like checking up on an old flame.

So I (along with my mate) have come to the following conclusion. The episodes as stand alones are not terrible, some are not great but they don't work together, it's almost as if the writers are not talking to each other, the Doctor is all over the place. She did it again this week

Spoiler:

Bad king, you killed an alien who wanted to kill you - (erm last week you blow someone up but hey, guess it only counts as bad when it's a human doing it....)

Also I do think 3 companions is too much, and it's Ryan that seems to be suffering for it. Graham is great though and Jodie Whitaker is smashing it.

"The frog bit" is very, VERY silly but the rest of this recent episode is REALLY good. Probably one of my favourites so far. Graham continues to be, to my surprise, the best companion, and I'd really not have expected that to be the case!

I love Graham so much. He's really become one of my top favorite companions next to Donna, Rory and Billy.

pyxistyx wrote:

"The frog bit" is very, VERY silly but the rest of this recent episode is REALLY good. Probably one of my favourites so far. Graham continues to be, to my surprise, the best companion, and I'd really not have expected that to be the case!

Agreed, he is the best thing in it. When it was announced that Bradley Walsh was going to be in it, I was concerned, I assumed he would be silly wacky comic relief but my god he is the best thing in it. Every time they are exploring his grief, I'm welling up (I lost my dad in May) and a lot of that stuff is hitting home.

Thought the whole...

Spoiler:

...mirroring in the mirror world was a nice touch. From Eric's Slayer T-Shirt to where Graham and the Doctor parted their hair to which ear the Doctor's Bajoran earring was on.

I’m enjoying this Doctor and her companions but so far this season has been really uneven with a third of episodes being really solid a third being okay and a third with annoying inconsistencies or enough structural/plot weakness to put me off.

I think I’m trying to like it more than I actually am most of the time.

It's the last episode next week, it seems odd since it's like the series hasn't really gone anywhere to lead upto anything. I know they were trying to move away from the long threads but even in RTD days we had bad wolf, the master ect. This is just monster of the week style.

Another Missing Doctor Who Story Is Being Revived With Animation

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Ninety-seven episodes from the earliest eras of Doctor Who remain lost, after old BBC archival policies meant the original film copies were destroyed to save space. Slowly but surely, parts of that missing TV history are being recovered—and when they can’t be, the BBC is turning to animation to bring them to life.

The BBC has revealed that the 1967 Second Doctor serial “The Macra Terror”—all four episodes of which were lost as part of the BBC’s archive junking—will be getting an overhaul for a home release next year. The story saw the Doctor and his companions Ben, Jamie, and Polly venture to a human colony in the far future, a seeming vacation paradise where guests lived carefree and happy lives. But, of course, this is Doctor Who, and all was not as it seemed—because the colonists were being brainwashed by giant killer crabs known as the Macra, and were forced to mine a toxic gas the Macra needed to survive. “The Macra Terror” was the Macra’s only Who presence for a very long time, until 2007's “Gridlock” re-introduced them as an offshoot colony that had transformed into feral monsters after gorging on the pollution caused by New Earth’s subsurface traffic colonies.

I know the animation can be a little goofy and for "Shada" the integration with the live action footage might induce headaches, but I think it's neat to see these lost old chapters of the franchise.

So I'm finally starting the current season and I'm very happy they changed the intro. I thought the gears and wavy clocks were amateurish. The music also more strongly calls back to the old openings.

Unfortunately though I still feel like I keep watching due to obligatory nostalgia. I think the show is probably great for a different audience. After it was restarted the nostalgia was far greater and I loved the callbacks and references. But that's all played out. But who knows, maybe this season will bring me back in.

And the series is over. Oh and we won't be getting another one till 2020.

Highlights -
Jodie Whitaker and Bradley Walsh - I seriously think that the overall theme of the series should have been Graham dealing with his grief because boy that was the best stuff.
The 2 historical episodes were easily the two best episodes of the series and I would love for these writers to get more episodes.
As single episodes, I didn't truely hate any single one, there was certainly bad ones but nothing reached the lows of the worst of RTD.

Lowlights -
Chibell is a terrible show runner and a very average writer. I can only assume he didn't bother talking to his other writers, as the Doctor's views on killing were all other the place. And it had non-lethal options that rivaled Dishonoured in terms of "yeah death would have been better"
3 companions is too many, there just isn't enough screen time for all of them to have a meaningful arch. If one of Yaz or Ryan hadn't been there, then the other one could have had something like Graham had to work with.
The episodes didn't work as a whole.
Sonic Screwdriver as a magic wand is getting old, I know this isn't just a this series problem but it's just getting old and boring now.

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Person on the right looks like Thelma; person on the left looks like Fred. Where's Shaggy and Scooby, and why did I not think before that they'd make great companions?

I’m just glad I’m not the only one who saw the resemblance to the Scooby Gang!

And Old Man Smithers in the middle, after his unmasking.