Doctor Who *Spoilers Abound! We've lost Containment*

Was it just me?

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I thought it was fine, I may have gotten my expectations up a bit. Jodie Whittaker seemed a bit wooden but it usually takes an episode or two for The Doctor to “set” after a regeneration, I’m sure she’ll get better. I really liked the new companions, though, even if the bicycle thing was a bit ridiculous.
Overall it looks like they might be regressing back to the cheese of the RTD era after going too far in the other direction with Capaldi- I feel like they got the mix just right during Smith’s run but as long as they don’t bring back the farting aliens I’ll be fine. I’m just glad Who is back.

Dryden wrote:

Was it just me?

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Nope, I thought the exact same thing.

ruhk wrote:

I thought it was fine, I may have gotten my expectations up a bit. Jodie Whittaker seemed a bit wooden but it usually takes an episode or two for The Doctor to “set” after a regeneration, I’m sure she’ll get better. I really liked the new companions, though, even if the bicycle thing was a bit ridiculous.
Overall it looks like they might be regressing back to the cheese of the RTD era after going too far in the other direction with Capaldi- I feel like they got the mix just right during Smith’s run but as long as they don’t bring back the farting aliens I’ll be fine. I’m just glad Who is back.

I liked the bike thing. I didn't at first but I thought they gave a good reason for it later on in the episode. I'm guessing it will be a recurring problem he has to overcome.

Nimcosi wrote:

I am curious why it was not called The Women Who Fell To Earth. Oh wait... It's a tiny bit dusty in here.

.......I don't get it?

Minor episode spoilers.

Spoiler:

"So today I want to talk about the greatest woman I've ever met". It turns out he wasn't talking about the doctor and I loved that. For the last few regenerations, we've had scene after scene of companion's waxing lyrical about how amazing the Doctor is. How special he is and how much they love him. Moffat himself seemed to be very much in love with the Doctor and while that's understandable it makes for poor television. I felt at times as if he were writing and directing as a fanboy. Everything became about the Doctor. The Doctors feelings. The Doctors loneliness. The Doctors search for love. The Doctors dark side. Last night, in contrast, we had a story that focused on the people who meet the Doctor. How they battle fear and grief and dyspraxia. The Doctor saves the day and so do they. Instead of impossible girls made special by timelines and upgraded with hacking skills these normal humans help save the day by being...human. Flawed brilliant humans. While a previous Doctor murdered an entire cyber fleet to look cool and prove a point this Doctor states that carrying knives is stupid and takes a single life only after her peaceful solution is rejected. Previous stories seemed to rely on fast-paced, flashy visuals and lots of things that looked cool but never actually made sense once you thought about them. Many arc plots seemed to go on for episode after episode with astounding setups that never got adequately explained. In contrast, this first episode was beautifully paced, things made sense and we saw the importance of the Doctor saving one single person instead of "reality itself". I love this fresh new start and I love this new Doctor. I can't wait to see where she takes us next.

strangederby wrote:
Nimcosi wrote:

I am curious why it was not called The Women Who Fell To Earth. Oh wait... It's a tiny bit dusty in here.

.......I don't get it?

Super minor episode spoilers, though I am probably oblique enough that it doesn't need the tags.

Spoiler:

More than one woman fell to Earth this episode, though the distances involved and the consequences of those falls varied.

Oh, God! The Moffat hot takes continue!

I enjoyed the episode!

Rat Boy: You must not have tuned it to BBC America the whole week they were playing Dr. Who eps. They stated the global simulcast the whole time!

It was enjoyable so I'm more optimistic than I was until now. It's a shame Capaldi was given the material he had as he was brilliant yet most of his run was very meh. JW seems a bit less convincing in her portrayal, perhaps this was on purpose but I'm sure she'll get better as more episodes air.

It's also an excellent jumping-on point for people with zero experience with the franchise who wouldn't know a TARDIS from a Dalek.

onewild wrote:

God Yorkshire Doctor Who is the best. I mean the jury is still out after only one episode but it was pretty good, good villian, good support cast and it was in YORKSHIRE.

Not far to go to find aliens, mutants or threats to humanity then. Save on the makeup budget as well.

Dimmerswitch wrote:
strangederby wrote:
Nimcosi wrote:

I am curious why it was not called The Women Who Fell To Earth. Oh wait... It's a tiny bit dusty in here.

.......I don't get it?

Super minor episode spoilers, though I am probably oblique enough that it doesn't need the tags.

Spoiler:

More than one woman fell to Earth this episode, though the distances involved and the consequences of those falls varied.

To be clearer:

Spoiler:

Grace fell to her death at the end of the episode.

She was my favorite person in that episode. I'm still salty about it.

Me too, Dee.

Me three, you guys.

Today I learned that Jodie Whittaker played Ffion Foxwell in Black Mirror.

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This was not as epic as Tennant's or Smith's first episodes, but I liked it much more than Capaldi's. I have kinda missed an equivalent to Smith's "basically, run!"-speech, but this is a different take on the character, perhaps Whittaker's doctor is a bit less of a show-off than the other doctors before. But hey, I'm happy as long as we don't ever see the doctor playing a guitar or wearing "sonic" sunglasses again. The last one is the modern equivalent of the question marks on the old doctors' outfits.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

Didn't really care for the first episode. I was a little disappointed in the Doctors entrance. I wanted a epic save but got nothing really. I did like the new actors. I'm not sure if one is a companion or if they both are.

[...]I wonder if this means we will have two companions playing the same role or if one is getting dropped.

Three companions... which one were you forgetting?

sometimesdee wrote:

She was my favorite person in that episode. I'm still salty about it.

Can add the boyfriend and I to that list.

sometimesdee wrote:

She was my favorite person in that episode. I'm still salty about it.

The more I think about it, the more irritated I get. I'm sure there would have been complaints if it had happened (and it would have meant changing the frame story!), but I was really hoping for some stray regeneration energy to make everything better during that scene.

On the companions - I know it's not going to happen but

Spoiler:

I hope they all three die in space.

They all seem utterly uninteresting and I really didn't care about their struggles - to prove themselves or overcome their shortcomings. They just lacked character and a lot of screen time was lost on them and the Doctor was almost an afterthought. Three's a crowd.

Still, I'm hoping I am proven wrong.

Katy wrote:
Baron Of Hell wrote:

Didn't really care for the first episode. I was a little disappointed in the Doctors entrance. I wanted a epic save but got nothing really. I did like the new actors. I'm not sure if one is a companion or if they both are.

[...]I wonder if this means we will have two companions playing the same role or if one is getting dropped.

Three companions... which one were you forgetting?

No idea unless the old guy is one, the cop and bike guy were the only two I thought were companions. Old guy didn't give me a companion vibe.

Katy wrote:
sometimesdee wrote:

She was my favorite person in that episode. I'm still salty about it.

The more I think about it, the more irritated I get. I'm sure there would have been complaints if it had happened (and it would have meant changing the frame story!), but I was really hoping for some stray regeneration energy to make everything better during that scene.

Having watched it again, I see what people mean, but I don't think there was any way to explain how Ryan and Graham leave to go wandering in space without some significant gymnastics. I guess they could be returned (eventually) to the point in time and space when they left, but that does seem a little 'old-school' Who...and often doesn't work.

davet010 wrote:

Having watched it again, I see what people mean, but I don't think there was any way to explain how Ryan and Graham leave to go wandering in space without some significant gymnastics.

I had a hard time understanding why and how that scene even happened, but this makes sense, disappointingly.

Spoiler:

The tracer pile of snake things didn't seem like it was much of a threat to anything, and Mr. Toothface had already been defeated. It wasn't clear to me at all why Grace was going after it to begin with, much less why it should prove to be lethal.

But I suppose it makes sense that they fridged the strong-willed black woman so that her menfolk could go galivanting in space and learn valuable lessons about themselves. Who wants to bet that the climax of one of the final episodes this season revolves around Ryan having to ride a bike in a clutch moment to save the day?

ClockworkHouse wrote:
davet010 wrote:

Having watched it again, I see what people mean, but I don't think there was any way to explain how Ryan and Graham leave to go wandering in space without some significant gymnastics.

I had a hard time understanding why and how that scene even happened, but this makes sense, disappointingly.

Spoiler:

The tracer pile of snake things didn't seem like it was much of a threat to anything, and Mr. Toothface had already been defeated. It wasn't clear to me at all why Grace was going after it to begin with, much less why it should prove to be lethal.

Spoiler:

It had moved across to the crane the Dr, Yaz and Ryan were on. Grace spots this and says "It's trying to bring it down. We have to stop it."

ClockworkHouse wrote:
davet010 wrote:

Having watched it again, I see what people mean, but I don't think there was any way to explain how Ryan and Graham leave to go wandering in space without some significant gymnastics.

I had a hard time understanding why and how that scene even happened, but this makes sense, disappointingly.

Spoiler:

The tracer pile of snake things didn't seem like it was much of a threat to anything, and Mr. Toothface had already been defeated. It wasn't clear to me at all why Grace was going after it to begin with, much less why it should prove to be lethal.

But I suppose it makes sense that they fridged the strong-willed black woman so that her menfolk could go galivanting in space and learn valuable lessons about themselves. Who wants to bet that the climax of one of the final episodes this season revolves around Ryan having to ride a bike in a clutch moment to save the day?

Spoiler:

How did she know Totally Dental had been defeated from where she was? The Doctor and Karl were near the top of the other crane. She already knew the pile of snakes were dangerous, and they were in the way of letting Yas and Ryan climb down.

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I liked the first episode.

My absolute dream for this Doctor is for her to find Donna and somehow fix her so she can remember all the cool adventures that she and the doctor went on. (I guess that's always my dream for every Doctor, but it'd be extra special if it happened with this one.)

As a black (Indigenous Australian) man with Dyspraxia and an awesome Nan that I’d describe the same way as he did Ryan is my new bestie.

IMHO, the show has been on such a "more epic than the last super epic thing!" trajectory for so long I was glad it was "just" a monster-of-the-week episode to give her room to be The Doctor without a lot of other stuff in the way.