Doctor Who *Spoilers Abound! We've lost Containment*

Ruhk:

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I don't know about that. I'm used to Who ignoring continuity as and when they feel like it. They don't even bother retconning most times. They could have any or all Masters back at any time and not give a monkey's except wobbling their fingers and saying "Timey Wimey Wibbly Wobbly".

For example, last night's episode already directly contradicts several earlier episodes about the origin planet of the Cybermen, since some of the planets the Doctor yells out when he's killing them at the end are meant to be the same planet.

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Second time Capaldi's companions "die" only to be taken away by an invincible girl on adventures in space. The creative juices must have been running short this season

DudleySmith wrote:

Ruhk:

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For example, last night's episode already directly contradicts several earlier episodes about the origin planet of the Cybermen, since some of the planets the Doctor yells out when he's killing them at the end are meant to be the same planet.

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Like The Doctor said, put enough people together anywhere in a crap situation and eventually this happens. They try to upgrade themselves out of the problem and go too far too fast.

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Loved the episode. I was curious to see if they'd bring it all together, and for me they did. Of course there were the typical timey wimey hand waving, but I've grown to expect that

Was surprised by the water girl's reappearance. Didn't see that coming at all.

Was sad Missy didn't get to help the doctor. However, I liked how they did the resolution.

Nardole is great. One of my favorite companions. Plus, I feel like there's a deeper mystery there, or maybe just I've forgot some things.

I'm gonna miss Bill. I hope she's back, but I assume she won't. At least it's another positive end if she doesn't.

Finally got around to watching both episodes, after being on vacation for episode 11, and having a house guest this weekend.

liquid wrote:
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Second time Capaldi's companions "die" only to be taken away by an invincible girl on adventures in space. The creative juices must have been running short this season

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It was a very Moffat plot, even down to bringing back dangling plot elements from the beginning of the season, not to mention the whole dead/not-dead magical girl wandering the universe arc at the end.

I am very sorry to see the last of Bill, but I can hope that Chibnall will have some ideas for her. And there's plenty of space for Big Finish to pull in Mackie and Capaldi for some audio adventures.

Dryden wrote:

My thoughts:

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And what did she put in his hand? Did that ever pay off?

I suspect it was

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the masters dematerialisation circuit

Dr Who Theme mixed with Blondie. :O

You're welcome, ears.

Holy hell! Thanks for that, Pyxi!

pyxistyx wrote:

Dr Who Theme mixed with Blondie. :O

You're welcome, ears.

I only regret that I have one like to give.

Also, I read a wild theory in the comments for io9's recap of "The Doctor Falls:"

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...the Doctor's already regenerated and still looks like 12 due to something similar to how Bill still saw herself as Bill instead of a Cyberman. I swear something looked off about 12's hands towards the end and I remembered the first look of 12 we got in "Day of the Doctor" was his hand shortly before the attack eyebrows.

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Martha is anything but a good character.

strangederby wrote:

Top middle picture has the wrong caption.

I will forever be unfairly baised 'cause she's a local 'Invernesian' and went to a high school where my mum works.

...and I don't remember having much of a problem with Martha?

That said, I might accept Sally Sparrow as a possible wildcard alternative.

Where's the dislike button. That is pretty mean to Jenna Coleman. She was great at doing what she was asked to do. The problem wasn't with her but the writing. They didn't evolve her character- they just switched it from season to season. She was the impossible girl, until she wasn't. Then she was a 'normal' companion. Then she was the companion who thought she could be the doctor (but she couldn't [but she could]).

She did what they asked her to and she did it well. The writing just switched on a dime and constantly had to have its cake and eat it too.

I liked her. The only companion I didn't like was Amy Pond.

eh, Coleman was ok, but I see it more as a critique of the characters' writers than the actors specifically. (excluding my previously stated "local-woman does good" bias )

pyxistyx wrote:

eh, Coleman was ok, but I see it more as a critique of the characters' writers than the actors specifically. (excluding my previously stated "local-woman does good" bias )

Agree. The text says character not actor.

liquid wrote:

Martha is anything but a good character.

What was wrong with Martha?

strangederby wrote:
liquid wrote:

Martha is anything but a good character.

What was wrong with Martha?

A number of things (n), where n divided by the time since first watching Martha's season approaches zero at an exponential rate.

skylarhawk wrote:
strangederby wrote:
liquid wrote:

Martha is anything but a good character.

What was wrong with Martha?

A number of things (n), where n divided by the time since first watching Martha's season approaches zero at an exponential rate.

...............wut?

So many different opinions:

(Mine? Chuck Rose in the middle, thanks... >_>)

Baron Of Hell wrote:

I liked her. The only companion I didn't like was Amy Pond.

Gaaaaaaaaasp!!

strangederby wrote:
skylarhawk wrote:
strangederby wrote:
liquid wrote:

Martha is anything but a good character.

What was wrong with Martha?

A number of things (n), where n divided by the time since first watching Martha's season approaches zero at an exponential rate.

...............wut?

I was being a bit ridiculous in my approach, but what I was going for was essentially, I only love Martha more as time goes on.

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strangederby wrote:
pyxistyx wrote:

eh, Coleman was ok, but I see it more as a critique of the characters' writers than the actors specifically. (excluding my previously stated "local-woman does good" bias )

Agree. The text says character not actor.

liquid wrote:

Martha is anything but a good character.

What was wrong with Martha?

She had potential but the character was wrecked by falling hard for the Doctor almost immediately, friend zoned hoping for more, also there mostly to illustrate how much the Doctor loved Rose, which overshadowed her own qualities because it took so long to switch focus from that. And she was boring a lot of the time.

Can you please stop reminding me that Donna was ever in this show? The worst character during the worst period of the show, was an absolute trainwreck of a person and a plot device.

Never, never mention her again, thanks

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Alz wrote:

Can you please stop reminding me that Donna was ever in this show? The worst character during the worst period of the show, was an absolute trainwreck of a person and a plot device.

Never, never mention her again, thanks :)

Is it any consolation to you that she doesn't remember any of it?

...Damn, now I have the sads. Loved her character, still pissed about what happened to her.

Sorry. Donna was one of the best companions. Never fell in love with the Dr. Constantly called him out on his sh*t. Didn't take no nonsense from nobody. Saved the universe.

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Far superior to mushy lovey dovey Rose. I couldn't wait for the "but I'm in love!" arc to end. Then they went and BROUGHT IT BACK AGAIN for the dalak season final!

strangederby wrote:

Sorry. Donna was one of the best companions. Never fell in love with the Dr. Constantly called him out on his sh*t. Didn't take no nonsense from nobody. Saved the universe.

Bill did it better, and didn't have to be the most irritating person in the world to do it.

I agree that Bill is fantastic. What was so annoying about Donna?