Doctor Who *Spoilers Abound! We've lost Containment*

karmajay wrote:

This is the same for me, I never watched any of the old old shows so Chris was a great Doctor for me. I enjoy the show (seems all I watch are Sci-Fi shows nowadays!)

You should ramp up netflix and check out some of the dvds of the old shows. The special effects are really crap because they made the shows on a shoe string, but I always thought that was part of their charm.

OMG i love the new doctor who. there is a second season out from the BBC with the new DR, David Tennent, who is a great replacment for the amazing Christopher Eccelston. Also, if you are really into theWHO BBC Three has just started airing Torchwood, starring one Cpt. Jack harkness!!! it airs on sunday on BBC Three and is avaliable to DL on Monday at the earliest!!! enjoy.

We watched the first episode of 'Torchwood' last night. It's very different from Doctor Who, but seems to have potential. I'm anxious to find out how Harkness ended up in what looks like present day Cardiff. Also, I'm interested to see if there's a link between Gwen Cooper (played by Eve Myles) and 'Gwyneth' who appeared in the Doctor Who episode 'The Unquiet Dead' (also played by Myles). They haven't said anything official yet, but the naming convention for both characters is a little fortuitous, if you ask me.

Also, I'm interested to see if there's a link between Gwen Cooper (played by Eve Myles) and 'Gwyneth' who appeared in the Doctor Who episode 'The Unquiet Dead' (also played by Myles).

good call, i knew i recognized her from somewhere. interesting.
also, there is another episode of torchwood out and a third to air on sunday. the second episode actually explains what jack is doing in Cardiff, just not how he got there. i hope the torchwood team runs into the Doctor at some point.

Elysium wrote:

Tennet really grew on me by the end of the season, to the point where he's more the Doctor to me now than Eccleston.

i totally agree...i didn't expect to like tennant, as Eccelson was so awsome, but i think David has really grown into the role. he has that cheekiness that i have always loved in the Doctor, and the passion for saving ppl and solving mysteries. Hat's off to David Tennet, he has filed some big shoes.

Elysium wrote:

Tennet really grew on me by the end of the season, to the point where he's more the Doctor to me now than Eccleston.

Heresy!

I liked Eccleston SO much. Tennet has grown on me (still watching season 2 on SciFi), but Eccleston's goofy charm was unbeatable.

dhaelis wrote:

We watched the first episode of 'Torchwood' last night. It's very different from Doctor Who, but seems to have potential. I'm anxious to find out how Harkness ended up in what looks like present day Cardiff. Also, I'm interested to see if there's a link between Gwen Cooper (played by Eve Myles) and 'Gwyneth' who appeared in the Doctor Who episode 'The Unquiet Dead' (also played by Myles). They haven't said anything official yet, but the naming convention for both characters is a little fortuitous, if you ask me.

I'm pretty sure that Russel T Davies has mentioned in past interviews that she *is* a descendent of Gwyneth.

Quite enjoyed the two episodes of Torchwood shown so far (third one tonight).

Eccleston was awesome. I'm another guy who didn't watch the old show and started with Eccleston. Tennet is good though.

Funkenpants wrote:

You should ramp up netflix and check out some of the dvds of the old shows. The special effects are really crap because they made the shows on a shoe string, but I always thought that was part of their charm.

I second you, Funken. Early Tom Baker eps were really the best. The show had a gothic horror feel to it that was great dispite the lack of budget. Peter Davidson was good also. I grew up watching this show on PBS and I've seen pretty much every ep that wasn't lost up to the time of Colin Baker's departure. My first memory of it was seeing Tom Baker come out of the Dalek incubator room with some sort of nastiness on his neck.

I feel the new show is great and cont wait to see where it heads. Out of all the episodes I've seen, from Hartnell to Tennent, The Girl in the Fireplace was the best written and is my personal favorite.

Out of all the episodes I've seen, from Hartnell to Tennent, The Girl in the Fireplace was the best written and is my personal favorite.

i so totally agree. i have seen the whole second season, and while the last ones were good, in a heart-wrenching way, the Girl in the Fireplace was clever and well written and acted. Plus, david tennet was great in it, passionate and crazy. and the clockwork ppl scared the crap out of me.

Third season starts on Sci-Fi channel this Friday. Tivo Tivo Tivo.

The season beginning on Friday is fantastic, particularly the second half of the season which had some _amazing_ episodes. Don't miss it!

Yeah the show just keeps getting better, it's awesome!

Possibly some of the best episodes of the Dr. I've ever seen are in the latest season. John Simms was excellent in the final episodes.

Woot thanks for the reminder I have really been waiting for it. Woot Sci-fi, Eureka starts back up this month also!

I found the series very patchy. For me, the high points were the two-parter with The Family of Blood, and the totally awesome episode Blink. It's writer, Steven Moffat, seems to write all my favourite episodes - he wrote The Empty Child in the Ecclestone season (the one in WW2 with the freaky boy in the gas mask asking for his Mummy whilst reorganising major architectural features of the building), and the Madame du Pompadour episode in the first Tennant season. But Blink is The Daddy. I don't get on with the episodes that Russell T Davies writes. They're all mouth and no trousers, or something.

Is it bad that I have to turn on captioning when I watch Dr. Who?

The end of season two made me feel as sad as any television show has in... well, I can't remember the last time I felt that glum while watching a TV show.

buzzvang wrote:

The end of season two made me feel as sad as any television show has in... well, I can't remember the last time I felt that glum while watching a TV show.

I didn't like Rose all that much, so it was a happier occasion for me than for you.

DudleySmith wrote:

I found the series very patchy. For me, the high points were the two-parter with The Family of Blood, and the totally awesome episode Blink. It's writer, Steven Moffat, seems to write all my favourite episodes - he wrote The Empty Child in the Ecclestone season (the one in WW2 with the freaky boy in the gas mask asking for his Mummy whilst reorganising major architectural features of the building), and the Madame du Pompadour episode in the first Tennant season. But Blink is The Daddy. I don't get on with the episodes that Russell T Davies writes. They're all mouth and no trousers, or something.

I liked "The Family of Blood" in its original format which was the Doctor Who novel "Human Nature" with the 7th Doctor (Sylvester McCoy) and Ace. I was a little put off that they decided to make that so I only skimmed those eps. The 3 ep series finale arc (am I the only one that finds it odd that the UK calls seasons "series"?) was awesome, and this year's Christmas ep should be good too from what I've been reading over on the BBC's website.

DudleySmith wrote:

But Blink is The Daddy.

Agreed: I think that episode was among one of the best hours of TV I ever saw. Just an amazing episode.

I watched the season 3 Finale this past Saturday and it was just brilliant. Spoiler alert:

[color=white]The day after watching the episode, my wife and I were still talking about Jack being the Face of Boe! That was a fantastic twist, and made us want to re-watch all the episodes with the Face of Boe in it.[/color]

I already did that dhaelis! I have loved the Who resurrection; I liked the old series as a kid, but never thought that I would get into this new one. When i saw the teaser for the series 2 finale, and who the opposing factions would be (feeling blindly around spoilers!) I was like an excited 7 year old all week.

I'm not one for toys and memorabilia, but at Christmas 05 they released these 15" tall remote controlled talking Daleks, which sold out everywhere...in the end, my wife persuaded my mother to bring one up from London on the train (about 300 miles)! I was 28 at the time...

Still, it's great for chasing the cat around the house.

I was not such a big fan of Torchwood; a lot of wasted potential there. I'm told that season 2 will have some pretty major changes though. The pilot for the Sarah Jane Adventures kids show was surprisingly good.

Worryingly, I heard this week that Catherine Tate (UK comedian who played the eponymous character in "The Runaway Bride") is returning as an assistant in season 4, playing the same character, alongside Martha. I seem to be a minority as a big fan of Ms Jones, but I think that a third lead would throw the balance off entirely; a recurring character like Jack or Micky keeps things fresh, but the new format of either single episodes or double episodes as opposed to the old 4 or 5 episode arcs doesn't really allow for 3 leads and the necessary exposition for a new set of supporting characters each week. And Tate annoys me.

And Tate annoys me.

Agreed. I only watched the first two episodes of Season 3 this evening on Skiffy's "premiere". Donna was mostly irritating, and though she had some redeeming qualities about her, I wouldn't really want to see her on a regular basis. I've only watched the recent seasons of the show, so take that for what it's worth, but I liked Rose, and I guess I'm in the minority about that. I like the Martha character, too, though after only a single episode, she seems like a black, better educated, prettier Rose. I'm sure that will change as time goes by, and her character gains her own identity. For a barometer, I used how quickly I took to Tennant after growing so fond of Eccelston. I liked Martha almost immediately. Donna, not so much. Even 3/4 of the way in, after I'd made an effort to give her a chance, she still didn't click.

Oh, I was a big fan of Rose as well. I don't think that Martha is being particularly well used by writers, though; she seems to get sidelined far more often thatn Rose ever did, which is a waste of Freema Agyeman's talents (an I have absolutely no pretensions that I spelled that name correctly!)

Yeah, I'm uncertain about Tate after rewatching the Christmas episode.

I was a big fan of Rose, even though the idea of a romantic interest for the Doctor has never totally squared with me. Frankly I think there was such a big attachment to Rose that Martha has been slow to be given a chance. I really like her character and think she develops nicely over the season. She's not quite as strong as Rose, but I think the vulnerability of her character which she overcomes is part of what makes me like her. Looking at the season as a whole arc I think there's a lot of growth in Martha.

Elysium wrote:

I was a big fan of Rose, even though the idea of a romantic interest for the Doctor has never totally squared with me.

The way I look at it, it was the Doctor's first romantic relationship with a companion since the series started, and I think they handled it beautifully. So, I really have no qualms about it, and was truly saddened by the end of season 2.

And I'll agree that the writers didn't seem to know what to do with Martha at the beginning, but the character developed very well in the last 3 episodes of Season 3, especially during...

[color=white]...the time where Martha essentially walked the Earth for a year. SHe was a lot surer of herself and more confident once she found the Doctor again, and I think that might bring an interesting dynamic to her and Donna's interaction in the coming season.[/color]

Although I'm no fan of the Donna character, she was a lot less annoying by the end of the Christmas episode, so I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.

My wife and I were talking about Doctor Who and Battlestar, kind of comparing the two. Battlestar is a fantastic drama with sci-fi elements, whereas Doctor Who is all out sci-fi. We love both shows for completely different reasons.

Now, on to news and rumours! James Marsters in Torchwood? Dennis Hopper to appear in season 4? Kylie Minogue in this years Christmas episode? Holy crap!

I've stopped speculating about Who rumours, since there have been so damn many! Their security is pretty good; I love the origin of the name "Torchwood" (an anagram of Doctor Who that was used on the masters of the first series before broadcast to try and put off thieves). Still, James Marsters could be interesting.

I agree about the development of Martha at the end of s3, but it was almost entirely behind the scenes, and the entire adventure had to a very disappointing purpose in my view.

My wife is a fan of DW, but hates BSG with a passion; she thinks that it is too dark and depressing by far. Ironically, that's why I love it!

buzzvang wrote:

Agreed. I only watched the first two episodes of Season 3 this evening on Skiffy's "premiere". Donna was mostly irritating, and though she had some redeeming qualities about her, I wouldn't really want to see her on a regular basis.

I'm also going by the American TV calender rather than the people here who have finished season 3.

Midway through the first episode I was wondering if they were going to make the bride into his new companion. She was annoying, but she had a very strong personality. So I thought maybe in a post-Rose arc they'd move away from romance and this season revolve around the spectacle of this tubby, loudmouthed secretary taken into time and space and having her mind broadened under the doctor's influence. Instead it looks like they decided to keep the show as is with the young hot companion and the sexual undercurrent.

I am currently "acquiring" season 3, but I did watch both episodes that aired on SciFi last night. I'm in the camp that likes Martha more than Donna. I'm not a big fan of obnoxious loudmouths, no matter the gender. I obviously don't have much to go on, but as companions go, I like Martha better than Rose. I was really sad to see Rose go and see an end to her relationship with the Doctor, but I think Martha will make a better companion in the long run. Time will tell.

So I thought maybe in a post-Rose arc they'd move away from romance and this season revolve around the spectacle of this tubby, loudmouthed secretary taken into time and space and having her mind broadened under the doctor's influence.

...which is why I'm not a writer, because that actually sounds like a good arc for that character, but I didn't think of it.

dhaelis wrote:

And I'll agree that the writers didn't seem to know what to do with Martha at the beginning, but the character developed very well in the last 3 episodes of Season 3, especially during...

[color=white]...the time where Martha essentially walked the Earth for a year. She was a lot surer of herself and more confident once she found the Doctor again, and I think that might bring an interesting dynamic to her and Donna's interaction in the coming season.[/color]
[color=white]Honestly, that's a lot to ask of a person right out of the blue. I think it was during the Human Nature two-parter that we actually started to see some of that, where instead of just taking part in saving the day, she was basically entrusted with his life. In all I think Season 3, apart from the appearance by the Daleks, was excellent. It gets high marks for turning in a Doctor-lite episode, "Blink", that far more enjoyable than last year's "Love and Monsters".

Not broadcasting Torchwood before it will cause some confusion when Captain Jack Harkness shows up again, though.[/color]

What puzzles me is that Donna quite explicitly turned him down when offered the chance to go adventuring with him. What would make her change her mind?