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The real debate is whether Nightmare Before Christmas is a Halloween movie or a Christmas movie, when "watch it both holidays" isn't an option.

Chaz wrote:

The real debate is whether Nightmare Before Christmas is a Halloween movie or a Christmas movie, when "watch it both holidays" isn't an option.

It's an advertisement for backpacks.

Jeff and Ben playin a bunch of Mario Maker is the best. I really hope they make a new one on Switch solely because it will mean a bunch of great Giant Bomb videos.

Currently at death 95?

Jan has been typing the Mario Maker death count into an overlay on the screen.

I almost spit out my beer when he snuck in something like, "I want to go home now. Ben, please." (beat the level)

Aaron D. wrote:

Jan has been typing the Mario Maker death count into an overlay on the screen.

I almost spit out my beer when he snuck in something like, "I want to go home now. Ben, please." (beat the level)

Ha! I missed that.

I'm enjoying the new format for game of the year. I'm only to them talking about Mega Man 11 on day 3.

Can someone explain to me why Abby hates hates God of War. I get the Freya stuff because that was frustrating but the other complaints don't make sense to me.

Eastwardflea wrote:

Can someone explain to me why Abby hates hates God of War. I get the Freya stuff because that was frustrating but the other complaints don't make sense to me.

Given that the game ranked pretty highly on her personal GOTY list, imagine how much she must have hated almost every other game she played this year.

Being critical of something doesn't mean you hate it.

I just wanted an explanation of what she hated about it.

I haven't played it, but from what I understood, every woman in the game was killed at some point. While games, especially the God of War series, are noted for a lot of death, it stands out when every woman in the game is killed, or to use another word, victimized.

There are a lot of sexist tropes out there where women are killed mainly, if not solely, as a means of advancing plot. Thus her criticism was the God of War falls into that trap of using a lot of sexist tropes. While the argument can often be made that it makes sense given the story, someone wrote that story and it only requires it because they made it so.

I was also a little disappointed with how Vinny seemed to give the benefit of the doubt to the tropes and made excuses for it. It's not the first time he has, and I don't think it's malicious, but he's more ignorant of those things than I would have thought him to be. But, being a busy father, he's usually more in-tune with things related to children.

On another note, I am also very much enjoying the new format. Getting them to talk about everything in depth, with less stepping on each other, has been great. Day 3 and I think we're starting to give awards? I can't even tell and I love it!

Having played GoW, her issues as she explained them are a little more nuanced. She doesn't like the treatment of an antagonist in the context of that character being the only living major woman character, and a specific exchange that is similar to something that happens with the Valkyrie fights (where they thank K&A for "freeing them," which they do by whaling on them, which yeah, is weird), and she didn't like that the only other major woman character was dead. Not sure why these require explanation, she was pretty clear about them.

It didn't make sense to me I get Freya because her character change was so stupid. The valkyries were corrupted so they had to die I just took the thank you as thank you for freeing me from my suffering. And if the mom didn't die the story would've never happened. I'm not saying she's wrong for what she's feeling I just didn't get it. Sorry for asking the question

Delerat wrote:

I haven't played it, but from what I understood, every woman in the game was killed at some point. While games, especially the God of War series, are noted for a lot of death, it stands out when every woman in the game is killed, or to use another word, victimized.

There are a lot of sexist tropes out there where women are killed mainly, if not solely, as a means of advancing plot. Thus her criticism was the God of War falls into that trap of using a lot of sexist tropes. While the argument can often be made that it makes sense given the story, someone wrote that story and it only requires it because they made it so.

I was also a little disappointed with how Vinny seemed to give the benefit of the doubt to the tropes and made excuses for it. It's not the first time he has, and I don't think it's malicious, but he's more ignorant of those things than I would have thought him to be. But, being a busy father, he's usually more in-tune with things related to children.

On another note, I am also very much enjoying the new format. Getting them to talk about everything in depth, with less stepping on each other, has been great. Day 3 and I think we're starting to give awards? I can't even tell and I love it!

Not really sure how I missed your response. But this makes sense. I didn't notice that these are sexist tropes I was just like okay this is the story I guess I just didn't notice these things and she is more in tune with them.

As I predicted, Abby is much better this year about explaining and describing her opinions.

That said, as someone who is always hyper aware of vocal tics, both her and Alex saying "like" for every fifth word is driving me up the bloody wall.

kuddles wrote:

As I predicted, Abby is much better this year about explaining and describing her opinions.

That said, as someone who is always hyper aware of vocal tics, both her and Alex saying "like" for every fifth word is driving me up the bloody wall.

I'm glad I'm not the only person who noticed that

kuddles wrote:

As I predicted, Abby is much better this year about explaining and describing her opinions.

Yeah, the criticisms of her last year (not necessarily here) always seemed to not take into account that she's new to doing this and in a room with a bunch of people who have been developing their game critiquing vocabulary for -- in some cases -- decades.

That said, as someone who is always hyper aware of vocal tics, both her and Alex saying "like" for every fifth word is driving me up the bloody wall.

Dammit, and now that you've mentioned it I won't be able to not hear it!

I've actually listened to very little of the GOTY stuff the past few years because I found their format to be more about why games weren't that great and I just found it exhausting. This year has been a welcome change.

billt721 wrote:
kuddles wrote:

That said, as someone who is always hyper aware of vocal tics, both her and Alex saying "like" for every fifth word is driving me up the bloody wall.

Dammit, and now that you've mentioned it I won't be able to not hear it!

As someone born and raised in California that stuff just flows off me like water off a duck's back.

Yeah, it's just something I always notice. My own mother adds "and he said" to every single sentence when she tells any story and I just bear through it even though it's hard to focus on anything else.

And yes, I like this "year in review" format much better. While some of the categories they cut could be fun, it usually led to you hearing the exact same discussion multiple times over five days.

Eastwardflea wrote:

And if the mom didn't die the story would've never happened.

Alt-take, ignoring the sexism component:
Authors of stories have infinite expanse of potential ways to motivate characters and stories. It isn't easy to make good on that potential, but "fridging the wife" is a writer effectively giving up. It would seem more appropriate in the older Gods of Warses because those are supposed to be narrative garbage. New God of War is at least presenting itself as maybe attempting to have a writer, so an immediate paint-by-numbers motivation is a juvenile let down.

As for verbal tics, I'm just thankful the East Coast crew has dropped their collective "I would say..." from prefacing every sentence to every third sentence.

Danjo Olivaw wrote:
Eastwardflea wrote:

And if the mom didn't die the story would've never happened.

Alt-take, ignoring the sexism component:
Authors of stories have infinite expanse of potential ways to motivate characters and stories. It isn't easy to make good on that potential, but "fridging the wife" is a writer effectively giving up. It would seem more appropriate in the older Gods of Warses because those are supposed to be narrative garbage. New God of War is at least presenting itself as maybe attempting to have a writer, so an immediate paint-by-numbers motivation is a juvenile let down.

As for verbal tics, I'm just thankful the East Coast crew has dropped their collective "I would say..." from prefacing every sentence to every third sentence.

Fridging the wife is definitely a new term to me. I honestly didn't know this was a thing learn something new everyday

Fridging has been a term for that particular bit of narrative laziness for I think almost 20 years.

I believe there was a website dedicated to cataloging instances of it.

It's still new to me

Delerat wrote:

I haven't played it, but from what I understood, every woman in the game was killed at some point. While games, especially the God of War series, are noted for a lot of death, it stands out when every woman in the game is killed, or to use another word, victimized.

The death of Kratos is wife as a motivating factor is definitely problematic. There is one other main female character in the game (also notable) but she is very much alive at the end of the game.

maverickz wrote:

http://www.lby3.com/wir/

That's the one I remember!

Man just read some of those.

Ms. Marvel I/Warbird (mind-controlled, impregnated by rape, powers and memories stolen, cosmic-powered then depowered, alcoholic - SHEESH!)

What the f*ck?

And stuff like that is everywhere.

Not at all surprising that women are tired of seeing it over and over and over throughout so many bits of media.

It's a little disappointing that Vinny's response to Abby was anything other than "Yeah, fair enough"

Are they not posting write-ups for the actual category results this year? I did my annual "actually open the website and read through whatever caught my eye" this morning and didn't see any results posts, just the deliberations and individual lists.

zeroKFE wrote:

Are they not posting write-ups for the actual category results this year? I did my annual "actually open the website and read through whatever caught my eye" this morning and didn't see any results posts, just the deliberations and individual lists.

Just popped up on my feeds

Here's What Won https://www.giantbomb.com/articles/h...

The fact that Brad and Alex kept trying to keep RDR2 on the Style category after removing DBZ for reasons that completely fit RDR2 (based on a previous media, aping a style well rather than developing a new style, sh*t menus) was freaking infuriating.

bnpederson wrote:

The fact that Brad and Alex kept trying to keep RDR2 on the Style category after removing DBZ for reasons that completely fit RDR2 (based on a previous media, aping a style well rather than developing a new style, sh*t menus) was freaking infuriating.

I feel like most arguments in defense of Red Dead have felt that way so far. I have not played that game some maybe I am missing something.

ahhh tasty GOTY takes, I love 'em