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Brad has been beat down over the years by Jeff nearly always getting his way. He's only a shell of his former self. Give the dude a break.

The Best World category is a catastrophe. Neither Jeff nor Vinny understand the categorie and Jeff is being super argumentative because he needs extreme structure rather than a nebulous "this feels like a world". I can't help but think if they just called it "Best Realized World" they'd be fine.

Or "Best World Building."

I dunno. I totally got what Alex's intent for the category was, and I think there's a really good idea in there -- i.e., giving recognition to games that do this nebulous thing many of us really enjoy in games, which is a close cousin of storytelling and world building but also involves an experiential/interactive element that isn't satisfactorily wrapped up in either of those concepts as we understand them from other media -- but the whole thing was a bit of a mess, and does need deeper examination and codification to some degree.

But, at the same time, it's also maybe a bit like the Supreme Court's definition of pornography; I don't know exactly how to describe it, but I know it when I see it.

One piece of these discussions that I find annoying is the absolute 3 game final set, it results in long excruciating conversations about what has to be in the top 3 when everybody knows one of the games already on the list is going to win. For example: Best Surprise 2017.

Yeah, yeah, yeah! NieR: Automata gets best music.

I think I’m enjoying them playing games more then the podcasts.

Sort of a side note, but is anyone following Waypoint’s GOTY podcasts?

They’re doing the 5-day format as well, but focusing on a single topic each day (Gaming & Politics, Titles Only On Personal Lists, etc.). And at only 1+ hours each they feel lean & focused.

I guess this the first year Austin, Danielle, Rob & Patrick have attempted their own take on GOTY podcasts and it feels like they’ve come out strong as hell.

Norfair wrote:

I think I’m enjoying them playing games more then the podcasts.

I feel that way most years, but I keep listening for some reason.

Aaron D. wrote:

Sort of a side note, but is anyone following Waypoint’s GOTY podcasts?

They’re doing the 5-day format as well, but focusing on a single topic each day (Gaming & Politics, Titles Only On Personal Lists, etc.). And at only 1+ hours each they feel lean & focused.

I guess this the first year Austin, Danielle, Rob & Patrick have attempted their own take on GOTY podcasts and it feels like they’ve come out strong as hell.

Yep, they're good! I'll get through them all eventually. They're doing a lot of streaming stuff too. Will catch up on that probably in the background at work next week.

I'm alternating the gb and waypoint casts. Helps break up Brad's Destiny love in.

Jesus the Best Styyyyyyyyyyyyyyle category is a god damn catastrophe. That is the only thing that Persona 5 has going for it in my opinion. Art, Graphics, and Style are not the same thing people!

I'm glad the crew are keeping Brad's grumbly old man "I get my way or I burn this down" attitude in check for the most part though. He's been bickering and moaning a bit, but I don't see another 3-hour "I don't give a sh*t I'm not giving ground" filibuster again.

Granted, I'm also not done with all the podcasts yet.

EDIT: I sort of feel bad for Abby, but her "it's a very fun game, I like it" argument isn't swaying anyone. She's still a freshman, though.

Vrikk wrote:

EDIT: I sort of feel bad for Abby, but her "it's a very fun game, I like it" argument isn't swaying anyone. She's still a freshman, though.

I don't feel like she's been particularly steamrolled yet. She's getting a say in things and people are definitely giving her every chance possible to speak up when she wants. It's a little tough to judge because she's the ONLY woman on the podcast and kinda deserves to get her way in everything just because of that fact. She'll get Dream Daddy on the top 10 list. If that doesn't happen then I'm calling foul on the whole thing.

I'm so delighted they continue to get a list from ZODIAC MOTHERf*ckER. I got owned by him once, a proud moment!

Vrikk wrote:

Jesus the Best Styyyyyyyyyyyyyyle category is a god damn catastrophe.

Saw Night in the Woods wasn't one of the three, figured as much.

Wow.

Jeff's personal list has Nier at number 2, and doesn't even mention Zelda (not too surprising given his middling impressions throughout the year).

Today's podcast will definitely be interesting.

Also, pretty sure at this point that PuBG is a lock for their number 1, and I suspect it will be a hard fight for the rest of the top 4 between Nier, Mario, and Wolfenstein. No clue at all what comes after that.

I was pretty pleasantly surprised about Nier's position on Jeff's list too. While I'm sad that PUBG will ultimately wind up at #1, I'll be thrilled if Nier winds up top 3.

I'm halfway through the podcast. It's really interesting so far. Everything has been super fun to listen to the last few days.

I like that they are making a Rock Band session a yearly thing now. I'm always impressed by Brad singing.

I'm super curious what version of Mass Effect Brad was playing that was THAT buggy. Not that what I played was clean and perfect, but I played the Origin early access build and still only encountered the smallest number of superficial bugs, and the worst I remember reading about (and granted, they were bad) were issues where quest sequencing got screwed up if you started a second character.

Not to discount his experience, of course, and based on that their choice of the game as "worst" for the year doesn't seem unreasonable, but still, it seems like remarkably bad luck.

Probably too early to start talking about their final top 10 given how long the podcast was, but I did find it quite amusing

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that they basically had their final list several hours before they stopped arguing.

zeroKFE wrote:

I'm super curious what version of Mass Effect Brad was playing that was THAT buggy.

This version:

Honestly, with many of those bugs you either hit them or you didn't, the build of the game was the same. That's part of why they were still in the game I imagine. Corner case and hard to repro bugs are the worst.

True that!

Finished the podcasts!!! That was so much fun. It was really frustrating that Abby bounced off NieR because she couldn't argue about it "properly." Basically that whole first 20 hours is kinda meant to be that so that it can then deconstruct and break down everything you've experienced up to that point. But yeah, it's a lot to ask from anyone to get through that section. God, I'm so glad Jeff was able to power through because there was a good balance of arguments and nobody got steamrolled.

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Really glad Odyssey didn't make the top 3. It's super polished but kinda boring to me. I'm very okay with Zelda beating NieR just because I think they will BOTH be very influential games in very different ways over the next couple decades.

My prediction list is completely wrong.

I cheated and looked at my list. I had two 100% right and the rest in the top 7 right but in the wrong order. Nothing surprises me about the bottom 3 and I’m just about to end the 5 hour deliberations to see how they talk about these.

Vector wrote:

I cheated and looked at my list. I had two 100% right and the rest in the top 7 right but in the wrong order. Nothing surprises me about the bottom 3 and I’m just about to end the 5 hour deliberations to see how they talk about these.

Ha! Ha!

I like Abby, but her freshman experience shows. I sort of feel bad that Jeff even joked with her about the "very fun" repetition. I hope she doesn't take offense to it.

She's a great addition to the team, and has awesome improv chops, but the rest of the staff's experience and weight in the industry really showed over the last five days of podcasts. She needs to up her argumentative abilities, because saying "I dunno, I had fun with it" only gets so far.

She did get Dream Daddy on the list though, so whatever. She landed the punch.

EDIT: That whole list is a mess, and it's better off if I don't talk about it in depth.

Wow. I disagree 100% with the sentiment, and in fact, I think Abby is the only one on the podcast (except sometimes Alex) with any argumentative skills at all, fighting a losing game against people who aren't interested in defending positions. Jeff in particular continues to be a petulant child whenever he is even slightly challenged on his razor-thin arguments and blanket statements. It's what makes me frustrated listening to these things every year.

She in fact totally reminds me of being in the same position of Alex, Patrick and Austin in their first year, where they think this is a debate going on at all, rather than a flat-out pissing match, and they learned the key is to be more angry and stubborn in the future.

She adequately described why the Nier Automata music did nothing for her and that Cuphead's music encapsulated the feel of the game much more. She explained why Observer should be a contender for "best world" even though it basically took place on the same few city blocks. And she did a hell of a good job explaining her affection for Dream Daddy.

Even her "it was fun to me" tick was because she thought she had already said her piece and then let it go, while being stuck in an annoying environment where everyone else likes to just hammer their exact same point over and over as if they were making new ones in order to drag the stalemate out for another 30 minutes.

I'm in the middle of the Zelda stuff, and Dan in particular is doing an awful job convincing me it isn't the most amazing thing of 2010.

Edit: "Oh wow! I could go around that mountain, and there might be a dragon!? Holy sh*t!"

I'm on day 3 (skipping over wolf moments segment since I haven't finished it) and I just want Abby to win 1 damn argument.

I thought Abby did a great job. She’s vocal, makes her point, and the only time she got really annoyed (2 hours left in day 5 though) was in the GOTY list discussing with Dan and he was getting very reductive and had to give a big explanation/apology speech.

It does seem weird that you guys are saying she didn’t win one argument when she got Mario Kart to be the best old game in the very first category.

Abby for best bomber of the GOTY casts.

Ben and Jan are runners up.

Dan is worst for his "but its a dating sim" line of argument that was insulting once, and infuriating the 20th time.

whispers They killed Mass Effect.