Giant Bomb Bomb-All

Dyni wrote:
mrlogical wrote:

So I watched a few hours of their Destiny 2 raid yesterday...it was not exactly the best pitch for playing a Destiny 2 raid. I watched the first hour, then went off to do some work, and checked back what must've been three or four hours later, and they were still in the same sequence they were on when I had been watching earlier--managing some orbs and calling out the symbols and the rows indicating which triangles to shoot. From twitter, it looks like they did eventually get through that section. There's no way they finished the raid though, right? And for Destiny 2 players (I'm waiting for PC), is that actually what the raid is like to play, or were their struggles unusual? I never played one of the raids in original Destiny but had always wanted to...now I'm less sure of that.

Learning a new raid encounter for the first time can be quite time consuming, but I wouldn't call their struggles representative of the normal experience. The most important thing to remember is that they decided to do the raid blind, meaning they wanted to figure everything out themselves. Blind raiding can be one of the most rewarding ways to experience that content, but not everyone enjoys repeatedly wiping to figure out the encounters. You need to have a group with the right mindset. It would have taken significantly less time if they decided to use the wide range of guides and tutorials for the encounter. Regardless, that encounter with the arrows probably took us 2 or 2.5 hours to get through the first time compared to the 4 or 5 it seemed to take them. My group managed to finish the entire raid in 90 minutes last night. Learning is the hard part.

The big problem with their attempt is something that is pretty common with Giant Bomb videos. I know people in this thread get annoyed when people call out the Giant Bomb crew for being bad at video games, but that's not exactly the problem here. The problem is that they are unwilling to do the bare minimum amount of research to improve their chances. Some activities require outside knowledge and coordination, and knowing some of the most basic information about your class abilities, teammates, and weapons can go a long way in easing the learning process and reducing frustration.

I only caught about 30 min of the stream, but there were a few big areas for improvement I noticed:

1) As mentioned already, they should have been unloading power ammo or supers in to the yellow centurions every time they spawned. They would have died much less often from doing so.

2) Several of them were unloading kinetic weapons into shielded centurions and then dying before they could finish them off. Energy and power weapons drop shields in a hurry. It takes ages with a kinetic weapon.

3) I'm not sure how many titans they had, but I know I saw at least 2 of them tossing fire hammers around. A single pulse grenade from a Striker titan does almost as much damage as that entire Sunbreaker super, so someone (probably Brad...) should have advised them to swap to Striker. One pulse grenade on a yellow centurion is enough to stun lock it and take him it to half health. Pulse grenades are completely broken right now, and striker titans can carry 2 at a time. If you want to argue that they should be able to play any class they want, fine. They can, and they did, but swapping all their titans to strikers would have completely trivialized all of the yellow enemies, caused significantly fewer wipes, and greatly reduced frustration overall.

I think in this specific instance it is 100% their inexperience with raiding as a whole, and also raiding in Destiny.

From side conversations they had during podcasts, on twitter, and during the raid stream I think there was something like 20 raid clears in all of video game history on that team. I know Brad has done most of the D1 raids, Jeff has done 2-3, and Abby did Vault of Glass last week. Outside of that Dan, Alex, and Ben had never done a Destiny raid and it sounded like they had never raided period, or at least in a very very long time.

Add to this a pretty low amount of Destiny Time (Dan and Alex bounced off the first one pretty hard, Ben and Abby just started Destiny 1 a few months ago, Jeff and Brad haven't played for a long time), not a ton of time in Destiny 2 (most of them have barely gotten to 270 which is maybe 30 hours of playtime), and sub-optimal builds, which is probably very much related to the lack of experience.

I was about to lose my mind watching Brad's stream because he was purposefully switching away from his Solar Shotgun to take down the Solar shields of the Centurions with his void damage energy weapon.

Overall, I would say them just doubling your time (I assume you were playing with the same people you raided in D1 with) is them doing a pretty good job since they were going in 90% blind, with Brad to make sure they were not completely going off track.

Kamakazi010654 wrote:

Overall, I would say them just doubling your time (I assume you were playing with the same people you raided in D1 with) is them doing a pretty good job since they were going in 90% blind, with Brad to make sure they were not completely going off track.

That's totally fair. Like I said, I only watched maybe 30 minutes of it before posting, but the first two improvements I mentioned are very basic game mechanics that aren't raid specific. It looked like Brad was monitoring chat. I would imagine that stuff was probably mentioned several times as easy ways to reduce unneeded deaths, but I didn't see him mention anything of the sort. Those deaths, the ones that happen before you even get to the stuff you need to figure out, are the ones that can quickly demoralize a raid group and add hours to a first encounter clear.

Also, that encounter is weird as sh*t to figure out the first time. The mechanics are completely opposite of what you would think they should be based on every video game ever. It was pretty cool to hear Jeff casually toss out the correct approach as something to try once they sussed out that red in a video game never means "good job".

They're gonna keep going.

I think it's going to replace UPF.

BOO-URNS.

Also--somehow, Jeff and Ben's call-in show is actually a pretty good listen. I wish they did video for it like the Bombcast.

Upf is garbage these days anyways

Giant Bomb crew wrote:

"Axis!"

"Sun!"

"Goblet!"

"Dog!"

Old-man me: What the hell are they talking about?

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Oh my god they are on hour 9 of today's raid.

As someone who has never raided... this looks just so frustrating.

I've been watching for roughly 2 hours.

As someone who's never done a Raid, WoW or otherwise, it's been enough to turn me off to the concept for a lifetime. :p

Are they going in blind, I never caught if that was the case or not. It took the first team 6 hours to finish the raid on launch. Blind it took us about 6 hours to do Vault of Glass on hard mode blind. But having a guide and just executing on it...shouldn't take more than 2 or 3. Unless, you know, you're giant bomb.

Everyone but Brad hasn't touched the raid yet. Brad did it once with his buddies. They're mostly trying to do it without Brad just telling them what to do. I'm only a little way into day 2, so I don't know if they stick to that. They're also not experienced raiders, or even experienced Destiny players. This is probably pretty close to what it'd be like if I tried to run this thing.

Iridium884 wrote:

Oh my god they are on hour 9 of today's raid.

As someone who has never raided... this looks just so frustrating.

While there's a good chance you'd feel that way about all of the previous Destiny raids, this one in particular really earns that view. Bungie went out of their way to cater to a more casual audience in every single aspect of Destiny 2... and then there's the raid. This is the most mechanically complex one yet, and it is needlessly punishing and unrewarding in ways that the previous raids were not. It may look pretty, but I think Leviathan is easily the worst raid they've created.

I still haven't watched much of their experience, but I would not be surprised if blind-raiding Leviathan soured several of them on the concept of raiding entirely. I seriously have no idea what Bungie was thinking in releasing this as the first raid.

Over the past week, I've watched a group of people, of which I only actually like two, play at least 12 hours of a game that I think is terrible. Something is wrong with me.

Are the two Jeff and Abby?

I watched all of Part 1 and 5 hours of Part 2. I tuned in just in time to watch the last 5 minutes of them successfully complete the raid. It looks terrible.

I've been in enough failed raids with knowledgeable, organized people that I know to steer clear of GB's Destiny stuff.

Vector wrote:

Are the two Jeff and Abby?

They are!

Just saw this Taco Bell ad featuring everyone's favorite GBer while looking at Metacritic

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Yeah, there's like a billion articles about "the first Taco Bell wedding" out there at all the clickbait sites so it's kind of bizarre.

This makes me so happy. Kinda how I feel when I wake up in 2017 each morning.

Abby trying to construct Vinny in The Sims 4 during the Extra life stream today is pretty funny. It kinda went all over the place. Here was one stage:

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NSMike wrote:

Wonderful!!! This is why the beastcast is better.

Someone also illustrated Abby's rollercoaster of emotions over the cloacal kiss.

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Apparently Giant Bomb videos no longer work on iOS. This is a pretty big problem for me as that's the only way I can watch the premium content.

I just loaded up the GB homepage on my iPhone 6 Plus via Chrome and was able to sign in and watch a premium video without any problems. I checked via Safari to see if it was a browser issue and that played fine too. I'm guessing you're just hitting a weird bug or something?

(Also, I see that they just posted a QL for Hidden Agenda, which seems like a perfect GB Quick Look game, so I'm going to start my lunch break and load this video up!)

mrlogical wrote:

I just loaded up the GB homepage on my iPhone 6 Plus via Chrome and was able to sign in and watch a premium video without any problems. I checked via Safari to see if it was a browser issue and that played fine too. I'm guessing you're just hitting a weird bug or something?

(Also, I see that they just posted a QL for Hidden Agenda, which seems like a perfect GB Quick Look game, so I'm going to start my lunch break and load this video up!)

There’s others on the big report forum and Rorie responded that it’s a known issue. I just tried and it works on my up-to-date iPhone 7. It’s just my old unupdated iPad 2’s Safari that struggles. Problem is I broke my iPhone screen and am waiting on my work to provide me with the warranty information to get it fixed.

Ah. Bummer. Have you tried the GB Video Buddy app as an alternate way to watch the videos? Maybe it'll just end up with the same error, but seems like it might be worth a try.

mrlogical wrote:

Ah. Bummer. Have you tried the GB Video Buddy app as an alternate way to watch the videos? Maybe it'll just end up with the same error, but seems like it might be worth a try.

I didn’t even know that existed. I’ll see if I can give it a shot. At this point my iPad barely runs due to its age.

mrlogical wrote:

Ah. Bummer. Have you tried the GB Video Buddy app as an alternate way to watch the videos? Maybe it'll just end up with the same error, but seems like it might be worth a try.

Just wanted to say that I gave this a try on on my backup iPhone and it works like a charm. Thanks!

Rocky IV sucks. It's insulting how lazy it is. There's so much desperate padding in the training montage, they need two power ballads played in their entirety to cover it, and a quarter of the screen time is taken up by giving Paulie a f*cking robot.

SpacePPoliceman wrote:

Rocky IV sucks. It's insulting how lazy it is. There's so much desperate padding in the training montage, they need two power ballads played in their entirety to cover it, and a quarter of the screen time is taken up by giving Paulie a f*cking robot.

As someone who hasn't listened to the Giant Beastcast this week yet... that's a very strange thing to suddenly opine here.