The Walking Dead (from Telltale Games) - Catch All

Duoae wrote:
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Yeah, that whole aspect was pretty weak in the end. *BUT* it's, for me, a minor nitpick in the grand scheme of things. :)

Oh, agreed. It was only one scene, and if it fell flat, well, it was followed pretty immediately by

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the goodbye scene between Lee and Clem

which more than made up for it.

hbi2k wrote:
Duoae wrote:
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Yeah, that whole aspect was pretty weak in the end. *BUT* it's, for me, a minor nitpick in the grand scheme of things. :)

Oh, agreed. It was only one scene, and if it fell flat, well, it was followed pretty immediately by

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the goodbye scene between Lee and Clem

which more than made up for it.

How did you do it?

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I had both arms and chained myself up to the radiator whilst kicking the baseball bat to her in the thick of it. She'd already saved me before by shooting some deaders in the school but that, for me was her real independence move.... and then the ending with her alone, on the log during the sunset.... It's my desktop now.

ccesarano wrote:
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I was very disappointed Lee didn't have a "Why in the world did you leave your well-stocked car just laying in the middle of the forest with unlocked doors? Where the Hell were you and your family?" Had it not been Lee and company, it would have been the bandits.

Dammit you guys, now you're making me overthink the (lack of) logic!

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As I reconstructed it from Campman's (admittedly unreliable) testimony, it went something like:
1) Campman takes his son out hunting, leaving wife and daughter with the car
2) Campman comes back without the son, wife gets very upset
3) Wife takes daughter and leaves, Campman pursues them (without having time to lock up the car)
4) Lee's group comes along and helps themselves
5) Campman comes back with wife and daughter, discovers car ransacked
6) Wife takes daughter and leaves for good, Campman pursues again but catches up too late and finds them already dead (or, I'm thinking, catches up and kills them in a rage)
7) Campman collects wife's head as a souvenir and sets out for revenge on Lee & company.

That's all based on my recollections -- I'm not ready yet to tackle Episode 5 again.

Duoae wrote:

How did you do it?

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I had both arms and chained myself up to the radiator whilst kicking the baseball bat to her in the thick of it. She'd already saved me before by shooting some deaders in the school but that, for me was her real independence move.... and then the ending with her alone, on the log during the sunset.... It's my desktop now.

Same deal, except that I

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was one-armed at that point.

Dixie_Flatline wrote:
ccesarano wrote:
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I was very disappointed Lee didn't have a "Why in the world did you leave your well-stocked car just laying in the middle of the forest with unlocked doors? Where the Hell were you and your family?" Had it not been Lee and company, it would have been the bandits.

Dammit you guys, now you're making me overthink the (lack of) logic!

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As I reconstructed it from Campman's (admittedly unreliable) testimony, it went something like:
1) Campman takes his son out hunting, leaving wife and daughter with the car
2) Campman comes back without the son, wife gets very upset
3) Wife takes daughter and leaves, Campman pursues them (without having time to lock up the car)
4) Lee's group comes along and helps themselves
5) Campman comes back with wife and daughter, discovers car ransacked
6) Wife takes daughter and leaves for good, Campman pursues again but catches up too late and finds them already dead (or, I'm thinking, catches up and kills them in a rage)
7) Campman collects wife's head as a souvenir and sets out for revenge on Lee & company.

That's all based on my recollections -- I'm not ready yet to tackle Episode 5 again.

But then:

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He's talking about taking his sun out hunting - saying that it's time to learn. I thought he was saying that he had gone out into the woods alone with his son and the car... Your version is even crazier than that... as it means the guy left his family alone twice in one afternoon well after the first days. Man... he's just plain crazy!

The thing about the Episode 5 that I think is interesting

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The stranger is getting a sense of Lee through Clem's perspective. It really struck me that all of the things I did, Clem ended up witnessing. Admittedly, he's crazy and he's going to justify calling me a monster no matter what, but for a brief moment I did have doubts on whether or not Clem was better off with me.

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The scene with the Stranger did land a little better for me because I did feel guilty about killing that St. John brother in front of Clem.

Anyway, I feel that the Stranger isn't just there to make you feel like a monster. Unlike me you could feel like you've always made the best decisions at all times in the game so there's no way you'd feel bad. However he's more of a surrogate for all the other players who chose to do things differently than you did. They all had their reasons for making the opposite choices. For example I think he called me out on leaving Clem alone in the house while I went to Crawford. For other players he calls them out on taking Clem to Crawford, the most dangerous place in the city. There were no right or wrong decisions in the game, just decisions that different people would make and perhaps vociferously disagree on.

Just finished Episode 5. Very happy with the ending.

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So Clem now stands a much better chance of survival than she did at the beginning of the game. She can use a gun, she's cautious, and she knows how to survive. Lee did everything he could for her.

As for Season 2....

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More Molly, please.

Real men cry at the end of video games.

...right?

F*ck, Telltale. You know how to pull those heart strings.

Dixie_Flatline wrote:
ccesarano wrote:
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I was very disappointed Lee didn't have a "Why in the world did you leave your well-stocked car just laying in the middle of the forest with unlocked doors? Where the Hell were you and your family?" Had it not been Lee and company, it would have been the bandits.

Dammit you guys, now you're making me overthink the (lack of) logic!

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As I reconstructed it from Campman's (admittedly unreliable) testimony, it went something like:
1) Campman takes his son out hunting, leaving wife and daughter with the car
2) Campman comes back without the son, wife gets very upset
3) Wife takes daughter and leaves, Campman pursues them (without having time to lock up the car)
4) Lee's group comes along and helps themselves
5) Campman comes back with wife and daughter, discovers car ransacked
6) Wife takes daughter and leaves for good, Campman pursues again but catches up too late and finds them already dead (or, I'm thinking, catches up and kills them in a rage)
7) Campman collects wife's head as a souvenir and sets out for revenge on Lee & company.

That's all based on my recollections -- I'm not ready yet to tackle Episode 5 again.

Actually, it seems like his account goes more like this:

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1) Campman takes his son out hunting, leaving wife and daughter with the car
2) Campman comes back without the son, wife gets very upset
3) "Campman," wife, and daughter go out into the woods to look for son, leaving car unattended.
4) Lee's group comes along and helps themselves
5) Campman comes back with wife and daughter, discovers car ransacked
5.5) Days/weeks pass without supplies; wife blames "Campman" for their troubles
6) Wife takes daughter and leaves for good, Campman pursues again but catches up too late and finds them already dead (or, I'm thinking, catches up and kills them in a rage)
7) Campman collects wife's head as a souvenir and sets out for revenge on Lee & company.

Dysplastic wrote:
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I think the one thing about that last episode that bothered me was the whole "interview" from the kidnapper, about how bad a person I was. It just seemed really forced - I felt like the developers wanted to confront me with all the bad things I did, so presented this person and his walkie-talkie gained knowledge to me to rub it in my face. What's worse was that, despite making many non-evil choices (not stealing the food from his car, for example), he still made me out to be a monster. It was painfully clear from the design that no matter what choices I made, I would still be painted as a monster. So it was just forced, like that guy's only role was to be there as the dude who makes me feel bad about the choices I made, except he would have made me feel bad regardless of what choices I made.

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After MASS EFFECT 3, the "illusion of choice" definitely definitely seems to be one of the "issues" of 2012. As a rational adult, I can appreciate that the developers cannot possibly change their narrative to accurately account for all of these decisions being made by the players. I just wish that they weren't so frigging in your face about how "your decisions change EVERYTHING!" Every episode of TWD began with a statement along those lines, and now that it's over and we can get a very good glimpse of the "man behind the curtain," it seems a bit lame. NOT that the gaming experience was lame, but by hyping the "choice" angle they actually manage to take a bit away from the experience.

Such a short entry.

Chapter 3 remains the highlight for me.

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Kenny's self-sacrifice made very little sense to me. Am I missing something?

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I really liked the voice performance of the Winnebago dude, even if the particulars of how he stalked them in the interim strain credulity.

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The last scene with Lee and Clem was just lovely.

Slumberland wrote:
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Kenny's self-sacrifice made very little sense to me. Am I missing something?

Well,

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When Ben goes off on Kenny about not knowing what was going on with his family, and how he was sick of Kenny's sh*t, Kenny really took it to heart. Not sure they earned that, as it was pretty much a turn on a dime characterization-wise, but it worked for me.

Besides, we have no real PROOF that Kenny died. Stranger things have happened in TWD universe :)

No, I think he means....

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Why didn't Kenny just shoot Ben and escape back to the roofs with Lee? That was obviously a hopeless situation and he just gave a speech about not committing suicide.

Personally I didn't question it in the moment, but in retrospect they could've come up with a better reason for why Kenny had to stay behind.

SommerMatt wrote:
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When Ben goes off on Kenny about not knowing what was going on with his family, and how he was sick of Kenny's sh*t, Kenny really took it to heart. Not sure they earned that, as it was pretty much a turn on a dime characterization-wise, but it worked for me.

Besides, we have no real PROOF that Kenny died. Stranger things have happened in TWD universe :)

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As I played, I wondered if Zombified Kenny would show up outside the hotel.

SommerMatt wrote:

Well,

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Besides, we have no real PROOF that Kenny died. Stranger things have happened in TWD universe :)

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Yep, I observed that particular detail (no death scene for Kenny) as well. And while on the one hand I agree, I still don't think there's enough substance for the character left. I could think of him having some kind of short appearance in the beginning of season 2. But apart from that? His family is dead. He's broken. Chasing yet just another boat with him won't be that interesting.

So I think if he is alive at all, he won't matter much in the future of the VG series.

One of the best games that I have ever played. It is actually the only game that I have finished this year.

Aristophan wrote:
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As I played, I wondered if Zombified Kenny would show up outside the hotel.

I was a bit surprised when

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the female cancer survivor pitched in through the window of the "mansion" (seriously, we must be talking some poor-ass aristocrats!). I mean, there was no reason for her to walk there (no sound, etc) and she was indoors at the school...

Also, when Molly was saying that dead walk back in to neighbourhoods after being cleared by the bells and when the doctor guy asks if we came by railroad. I really expected a better explanation of that comment in episode 5 instead of it just being hinted that we brought in a load of dead in our wake.... which, is, IMO, another grey area that could have been handled better. I mean, do dead have a working memory? I thought that they generally were attracted to sounds and the smell of blood. With the train you shouldn't bring in that many because once it passes it'll be quiet again and the dead will get distracted... not to mention the inferno you left behind that they had to walk through on the tracks... and then what where all those dead doing in the woods anyway?!

Ugh.

I think I need to start writing for games. Pretty sure I could write a more coherent world than most games writers.

Duoae wrote:

I was a bit surprised when

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the female cancer survivor pitched in through the window of the "mansion" (seriously, we must be talking some poor-ass aristocrats!). I mean, there was no reason for her to walk there (no sound, etc) and she was indoors at the school...

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Out-of-narrative, I suspect that walker-Brie showed up at the house because the original model for the character was the winner of a pre-order contest by Telltale, and they promised her a post-mortem appearance.

http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Brie

(See the "Trivia" section.)

That's pretty cool!

I'm really interested to play this game through again without saving one person because so much of what happens appears to hinge on his fate and everyone here appears to have saved him as I did...

Latrine wrote:

No, I think he means....

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Why didn't Kenny just shoot Ben and escape back to the roofs with Lee? That was obviously a hopeless situation and he just gave a speech about not committing suicide.

Personally I didn't question it in the moment, but in retrospect they could've come up with a better reason for why Kenny had to stay behind.

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I interpreted the suicide speech as Kenny trying to convince himself that suicide wasn't the answer. His words and feelings may have been aimed at Katjaa since that is how she left him. I don't believe Kenny wanted to live but he also didn't want to just put a bullet in his head either.

I really enjoyed that

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the better-looking Steve Buscemi guy (whose kidnapped Clem) served an opportunity to judge you for your decisions throughout the game. As the decisions and their repercussions essentially were the game, it was a good opportunity to relive and re-justify- or not- many crucial points that had occurred.

Its Chrono Trigger all over again.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

Its Chrono Trigger all over again.

I'd still say Chrono Trigger managed it better, because that was a REAL surprise.

holy crap.

Planning to play through the final episode this evening, wife is sleeping over at friend's house and kids will be in bed by 9 PM, I just waited for the opportunity to savor the final episode. Will this count as finishing five games or one? Because it would make a massive difference to my pile

wanderingtaoist wrote:

Planning to play through the final episode this evening, wife is sleeping over at friend's house and kids will be in bed by 9 PM, I just waited for the opportunity to savor the final episode. Will this count as finishing five games or one? Because it would make a massive difference to my pile :)

It is only one game in Steam.

Very satisfying ending to an overall fantastic experience.

Well it was tense and touching at the same time. Really enjoyed this one, well the whole season. Several things:

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I was glad I saved Ben, his shouting match with Kenny really cleared up a lot in the last episode.

And a question:

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If you let Ben die, how does Kenny die in ep 5? I suppose he dies anyway, that is.

wanderingtaoist wrote:

And a question:

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If you let Ben die, how does Kenny die in ep 5? I suppose he dies anyway, that is.

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He goes down into a dark hole in the top of a building to save... someone... boosts them up, and gets chased away by zombies. You never know if he is killed or not, but it's kind of implied

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One thing that surprised me was that even though I'd told Kenny to #*@$ off at the end of 4, he showed up again in 5 and I while it was certainly implied he didn't get an onscreen death either. I'd been trying to get rid of him since he left Clem and me behind once early in the game.