Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Thread

I'm chatting with tech support!! The technology of the world astounds me!!!!!!!!

EDIT:

Ok. Closed chat. After a short while of waiting, the adviser finally came online, took my info down, and asked what happened. I explained the situation, he kept me on hold for a long while, then came back, and told me he found the purchases I made, and that they would take care of transferring the DLC's from one account to the other.

Another team takes care of that, though, and I should wait for an email from them. How long? He said they would tend to it as quickly as possible. God knows what that means. Could be months for all I know, but hey, at least the problem is gonna be solved!

Overall, a pleasant experience.

Sorry to fill the ME3 thread with tech support jabber, carry on Shepards. As you were.

mwdowns wrote:

Welcome to the reason I am loathe to play ME2, ME3, and DA:O again. My games and DLC are spread across 2 accounts/logins (happened when Bioware merged with EA and Origin) and it's always such a huge hassle to get things figured out and working smoothly.

I somehow managed to keep everything in one account despite having something like 4 different accounts. I have no idea how I managed to do that. The easiest thing was playing ME2 on the 360. DA:O's DLC wouldn't even install without black magic.

I just read the spoilers for Leviathan and I think I'm less mad at the game now. I don't know how to feel right now. I might have to try out the ME3 DLCs to see what is up. I want to love this series again ...

Grubber788 wrote:

I just read the spoilers for Leviathan and I think I'm less mad at the game now. I don't know how to feel right now. I might have to try out the ME3 DLCs to see what is up. I want to love this series again ... :(

I couldn't help myself. I went back and played Leviathan along with the last 5 or so hours of the game. I played the new ending as well. Leviathan really adds a lot to the story. This is one of those situations where I think a lot of the frustration over the ending of Mass Effect 3 could have been stemmed by just including the DLC content. Same with the "From Ashes" content. It was key to the game and should have been part of the overall narrative that everyone got to play.

DSGamer wrote:
Grubber788 wrote:

I just read the spoilers for Leviathan and I think I'm less mad at the game now. I don't know how to feel right now. I might have to try out the ME3 DLCs to see what is up. I want to love this series again ... :(

I couldn't help myself. I went back and played Leviathan along with the last 5 or so hours of the game. I played the new ending as well. Leviathan really adds a lot to the story. This is one of those situations where I think a lot of the frustration over the ending of Mass Effect 3 could have been stemmed by just including the DLC content. Same with the "From Ashes" content. It was key to the game and should have been part of the overall narrative that everyone got to play.

I do understand that many publishers are creating DLC after the final game is done and it's silly to get annoyed about that but I do get the impression that Bioware, under EAs guidance, are creating the game with characters in place that they then remove to become DLC. I also think that 'From Ashes' was originally going to be a pre-order bonus (As with Stone prisoner in Dragon Age) but they decided they'd make more money if everyone had to buy it. EA are in it to make money but they have to be careful they aren't sabotaging their games by removing key elements of the story in the process.

From Ashes was a pre-order bonus.

I just played a bit of multiplayer. I... think I'm not mad at Mass Effect anymore.

Rykin wrote:

From Ashes was a pre-order bonus.

For the special editions, the regular game did not include it.

Demosthenes wrote:
Rykin wrote:

From Ashes was a pre-order bonus.

For the special editions, the regular game did not include it.

Seems like I didn't have to pay for it, but I have the standard edition. Can't remember if it was a GameStop pre-order bonus or not.

Rykin wrote:
Demosthenes wrote:
Rykin wrote:

From Ashes was a pre-order bonus.

For the special editions, the regular game did not include it.

Seems like I didn't have to pay for it, but I have the standard edition. Can't remember if it was a GameStop pre-order bonus or not.

With Mass Effect 2 if you pre-ordered from anywhere you got Zaeed. That wasn't the case with ME3 but I guess it is possible an outlet had 'From Ashes' as a pre-order exclusive in the US. It wasn't available in the UK.

Rykin wrote:

From Ashes was a pre-order bonus.

Or you could pay for it. I paid for it because they warned on the Bombcast that it was essential. I just can't help but think that risking your entire franchise on a few extra bucks seems like a bad investment. Here's a crazy idea, ship the entire game. Mass Effect 3 with "From Ashes" and "Leviathan" is a better game.

I'm really past the DLC sucks phase. With certain games (Mass Effect 3 being one of them, and hell I would still be buying ME2 content if they were still making it) I will keep buying the real content (i.e. story stuff) as long as the keep making it and if they are tossing in a few weapon/appearance packs here and there I might get those as well; especially if I am planning more full play-throughs.

Rykin wrote:

I'm really past the DLC sucks phase. With certain games (Mass Effect 3 being one of them, and hell I would still be buying ME2 content if they were still making it) I will keep buying the real content (i.e. story stuff) as long as the keep making it and if they are tossing in a few weapon/appearance packs here and there I might get those as well; especially if I am planning more full play-throughs.

I'm not saying it sucks, though. I'm saying that they're risking artistic integrity for money. Like selling you 90 percent of a painting. If they want I'll be happy to pay $70 to have the entire game. If money is that tight. But please sell me the whole game up front.

I do agree with you on From Ashes but not on Leviathan. From Ashes did feel like content that should have been in the main game and I couldn't imagine playing it without it.

Yeah, however we disagree on the specifics, I think the general principle is true: selling me Day One DLC that is part of the main story and/or central mythology of the game is different from selling me a side mission months after release.

DSGamer wrote:

I'm not saying it sucks, though. I'm saying that they're risking artistic integrity for money. Like selling you 90 percent of a painting. If they want I'll be happy to pay $70 to have the entire game. If money is that tight. But please sell me the whole game up front.

I fail to see how content developed after release makes the initial sale "90%" of a game. Even day 1 DLC, which is often finished after the game goes gold.

On the latest Conference Call they discussed the cost of games going up in the next generation and I think this is basically how they are going to do that. The base price may not change but I expect more DLC and even more Day One DLC. Also I kind of expect to see more companies using the Telltale Games model just without their pricing. Can't say I am against the idea of a episodic Mass Effect 4 sold in 5-6 hour chunks though except for the fact that they will want $10-15 US per chunk for a game with 7 or 8 chunks probably.

Can't say I am against the idea of a episodic

Still waiting for Half-Life 2 Episode 3. I hate episodic gaming for the same reason I can't watch series dramas (Evolution) on TV until the entire season is on my DVR or DVD. I haaaaaaaate that wait. I want to be able to watch/play on my own time and be done with something without having to wait for each new bit.

Basically, I hate cliffhangers or coming next weeks and just wants my stuff to enjoy on my own schedule. With TV, it's easy enough to avoid spoilers as I don't read a lot of TV news or such... but with gaming? Nearly impossible to avoid spoilers and I'd have to be waiting for all of them to get out only to know half of what's happening already.

DSGamer wrote:
Rykin wrote:

From Ashes was a pre-order bonus.

Or you could pay for it. I paid for it because they warned on the Bombcast that it was essential. I just can't help but think that risking your entire franchise on a few extra bucks seems like a bad investment. Here's a crazy idea, ship the entire game. Mass Effect 3 with "From Ashes" and "Leviathan" is a better game.

I haven't played Leviathan, but I won't disagree about From Ashes. The only problem with this scenario, is that the release would have been delayed until late 2012/early 2103, and they had already pushed the release date back at least once. The simple fact that alot of people are either uninformed about or are willingly ignoring, is that From Ashes was taken out of the game because they would not have met their March 2012 release date. The game was submitted to MS for approval around November/December of 2011, and it wasn't until then that they could go back and finish off From Ashes in time for Day 1 release. Either way, folks would have found something to be mad about: constant delays or Day 1 DLC.

I'm less concerned about the buffet style of selling us games, and more concerned about what seems to be the annualization of games that really need 2-3 years minimum to fully develop. (See Assassin's Creed 3 for the most recent example, great game, but needed another 6 mos. in the oven).

Higgledy wrote:
Rykin wrote:
Demosthenes wrote:
Rykin wrote:

From Ashes was a pre-order bonus.

For the special editions, the regular game did not include it.

Seems like I didn't have to pay for it, but I have the standard edition. Can't remember if it was a GameStop pre-order bonus or not.

With Mass Effect 2 if you pre-ordered from anywhere you got Zaeed. That wasn't the case with ME3 but I guess it is possible an outlet had 'From Ashes' as a pre-order exclusive in the US. It wasn't available in the UK.

From Ashes was only for the Collector's Edition for PS360, and for the Digital Deluxe edition for PC, no pre-order required.

Zaeed was part of the Cerberus Network and came standard with any NEW purchase of the game.

The only pre-order bonuses for either game were weapons and armor.

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cube wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

I'm not saying it sucks, though. I'm saying that they're risking artistic integrity for money. Like selling you 90 percent of a painting. If they want I'll be happy to pay $70 to have the entire game. If money is that tight. But please sell me the whole game up front.

I fail to see how content developed after release makes the initial sale "90%" of a game. Even day 1 DLC, which is often finished after the game goes gold.

I'm not raising the annoying "I didn't get what I paid for" chestnut. This is purely an artistic concern. I think they should keep the game "whole" as much as possible for the sake of the story. I paid full price for all the ME2 and ME3 DLC and enjoyed it thoroughly. I just wish, as much as possible, that it was part of the game so people don't miss out on the complete narrative.

Either way, folks would have found something to be mad about: constant delays or Day 1 DLC.

I can only speak for myself, but I would MUCH rather a dev take the time they needed to actually finish the complete narrative than try to make me pay extra for the part that was left out.

MeatMan wrote:
Either way, folks would have found something to be mad about: constant delays or Day 1 DLC.

I can only speak for myself, but I would MUCH rather a dev take the time they needed to actually finish the complete narrative than try to make me pay extra for the part that was left out.

I agree, but sadly we live in an imperfect world.

Imperfect worlds support multiple outcomes.... but somehow this is statistically more prevalent...

Brad from giantbomb finally beat the game and reading his twitter has been quite amusing.

kyrieee wrote:

Brad from giantbomb finally beat the game and reading his twitter has been quite amusing.

I think he's falling where I'm beginning to go. The amended ending and Leviathan apparently give 3 something approaching coherence. Looking forward to Wednesday's podcast.

Well whoop de doo for all those people who bought the leviathan DLC then.

Indeed?

Indeed. If your customers need to buy an after-the-fact DLC to make sense of the ending, you're doing something wrong.

I've been all about ME since the original, and was pretty disgusted by the original ME3 ending. The "extended cut" was better, but I feel like I'm all ME-ed out. I'd like to know what the hell happens in LEVIATHAN that makes it all make more sense, but... I just sort of want to keep ME in the "been there, done that" section of my brain.

I haven't bought Leviathan. I just read spoilers for it and I'm caught between my happiness for people who played the game with that DLC (because it won't damage the series for them) and utter confusion as to why Bioware thought it would be a good idea to release that DLC later. I don't begrudge people their happiness with the "complete" experience, but I'm with Brad. The more I learn about the extended cut and the DLC, the more I stand aghast at the whole situation.

Edit: I know this is EA's fault. I just can't see the artistic justification--assuming there is one.