Sexual harassment is a part of the fighting game culture...

On the hate speech thing, it isn't only about race, gender or sexuality. I used to get attacked reasonably regularly for being English by people who I assume were Americans. Some of the stuff was as vicious as you can imagine.

1Dgaf wrote:

On the hate speech thing, it isn't only about race, gender or sexuality. I used to get attacked reasonably regularly for being English by people who I assume were Americans. Some of the stuff was as vicious as you can imagine.

Unless there's folks in a crowd cheering for your rape, I'm not sure that's an apples-to-apples comparison.

Dimmerswitch wrote:
1Dgaf wrote:

On the hate speech thing, it isn't only about race, gender or sexuality. I used to get attacked reasonably regularly for being English by people who I assume were Americans. Some of the stuff was as vicious as you can imagine.

Unless there's folks in a crowd cheering for your rape, I'm not sure that's an apples-to-apples comparison.

They were cheering for the rape of the game character (Jean Gray as The Phoenix), not the player, not that it makes it much better. Unless you're talking about a different example.

Stengah wrote:
Dimmerswitch wrote:

Unless there's folks in a crowd cheering for your rape, I'm not sure that's an apples-to-apples comparison.

They were cheering for the rape of the game character (Jean Gray as The Phoenix), not the player, not that it makes it much better. Unless you're talking about a different example.

I'd thought the player was also female (the wording isn't totally clear, and my assumption could well be mistaken). If I'd misread, I apologize - though I still don't think misogyny and anglomisia are in the same ballpark.

In any event, I agree that cheering for the rape of a pixelated woman isn't something to be proud of.

[Edit to add: and the existence of personal abuse within the fighting-game culture for characteristics other than gender (like nationality or race) isn't cool, either]

I don't think they ever say what gender the player was:

Rea: When I go to SoCal regionals and I see a Phoenix [from Marvel vs. Capcom 3] on main stage getting blown up and there’s some dude in the audience just yelling “Bitch! Bitch!” every time she gets hit and then she killed and goes “Yeah, rape that bitch!” Yeah, that’s totally acceptable! Really? Really? You’re going to tell me that’s acceptable?

I don't think 1Dgaf was trying to say they were in the same ballpark, just that the fighting game community has more problems than just rampant misogyny.

Yeah, it was for the character. I still don't like it - and it show's the crowd's attitude - but it's not quite the same thing.

As for me, I've been called a c*nt, a bitch a Certis is awesome, etc. I wonder how much of this is about Americans and how much is about young, male, fighting game fans.

1Dgaf wrote:

Yeah, it was for the character. I still don't like it - and it show's the crowd's attitude - but it's not quite the same thing.

As for me, I've been called a c*nt, a bitch a Certis is awesome, etc. I wonder how much of this is about Americans and how much is about young, male, fighting game fans.

I'd guess that the "young" and "male" parts are the biggest parts, but the American "I can say any offensive thing I want with no repercussions or you're stifling free speech" attitude Aris shows can't be helping.

I know I'm super late to the party here, but are you guys still honestly surprised by this stuff?

clover wrote:

I know I'm super late to the party here, but are you guys still honestly surprised by this stuff?

Not surprised, sadly. Still angry, though.

The goal is for this stuff to become gradually more surprising.

I didn't see it as surprising that it exists, but that someone like Aris and his ilk were so cavalier and brazen in defending it, as though because it make the game more complete, in a sense, it justifies keeping it around.

Next up, Aris defends slavery as great for the economy.

I think it's surprising that nothing more has been done in an official capacity. Capcom put out a statement saying they're looking into it, and Aris has put out an insincere non-apology.

Incidentally, it is actually pretty trivial to change baseball into basketball. Step 1, for example, is to replace the baseballs with basketballs.

If someone in the crowd started yelling "lynch that n*gger" regarding a black character, would that also be okay or would it be too far?

clover wrote:

I know I'm super late to the party here, but are you guys still honestly surprised by this stuff?

I was surprised at how much people were discussing it. So a 20-something gamer douche is a douche? Also, water is wet.

Then I read that he was a team coach. Still....

Of course, to suggest that harassment and misogyny et al are inherent to the "fighting game community" is nonsense. He just likes those aspects and wants them to stay. Newsflash, Aris: the only thing that makes the fighting game community is that it's a community centered around fighting games. Anything else he considers vital is just bullsh*t that he prefers.

Paleocon wrote:

If someone in the crowd started yelling "lynch that n*gger" regarding a black character, would that also be okay or would it be too far?

I don't recall ever saying it was ok.

Just seems like most threads like this have more than a few people saying "Gasp! I've never seen anything like this!" Momgamer already covered that, though.

It's endemic to gaming culture. I vote with my dollars and my comments, and hopefully enough other people will do the same to start to push this kind of culture back... unfortunately, I think it's going to be a while yet.

Yeah honestly it's something of a two-stage analysis here -

1) It's not surprising that this attitude exists in gaming culture at all, much less fighting game circles.

but then -

2) It is surprising that someone who is trying to turn this into a flag-waving free speech issue is taken even slightly seriously by anyone. It's a destructive attitude on multiple levels, and it should be condemned and fought whenever possible. I'm not going to say that anyone who doesn't actively fight it every single day is part of the problem, but when issues like this rear their head and someone* has their first reaction be "yeah that sucks but... eh", that's definitely part of the issue.

(*this is the general "someone", not pointing at anyone on the forum here)

Just seems like most threads like this have more than a few people saying "Gasp! I've never seen anything like this!

Well, if you're smart and play with GWJers, you usually won't.

1Dgaf wrote:

Actually, I got abuse from a GWJer for being English. I was in a game, I can't remember which, when Higgledy referred to me as a 'Brit f*ck'. Not in a joking way, just a deeply unpleasant one.

In general in GWJ, the excuse for unpleasantness seems to be drunkenness. Of course if you know you're an unpleasant drunk - and you still drink - that's no excuse at all.

Wait, isn't Higgledy in the UK?

Actually, I got abuse from a GWJer for being English. I was in a game, I can't remember which, when [H to the Ickle, I think] referred to me as a 'Brit f*ck'. Not in a joking way, just a deeply unpleasant one.

In general in GWJ, the excuse for unpleasantness seems to be drunkenness. Of course if you know you're an unpleasant drunk - and you still drink - that's no excuse at all.

1Dgaf wrote:

Oh, I f*cked up. Not Higgledy. His name begins with H and has a red-eyeed Homer Simpson as an avatar. I think it's H to the Ickle. Will amend.

Hmm. I don't remember if that's his avatar or not. I've never had any problems with him, though he is drunk often it seems.

Oh, I f*cked up. Not Higgledy. His name begins with H and has a red-eyed Homer Simpson as an avatar. I think it's H to the Ickle. Will amend.

EDIT: It was H to the Ickle, just did a search and found his avatar online. What I thought was Simpson was a yellow block with eyes.

oilypenguin wrote:

He sent this statement to Giant Bomb.

Aris wrote:

I understand that I said some controversial statements on the Cross Assault show...

sarcasm
yeah, that sounds sincere
/sarcasm

He obviously needs to retain the services of Ocean Marketing.

http://t.co/0WAwfcci

Level|Up's released the following statement following last night's Wednesday Night Fights stream. In it, they indicate that the commentators who made the controversial remarks won't be back on WNF:
1Dgaf wrote:

Actually, I got abuse from a GWJer for being English. I was in a game, I can't remember which, when [H to the Ickle, I think] referred to me as a 'Brit f*ck'. Not in a joking way, just a deeply unpleasant one.

In general in GWJ, the excuse for unpleasantness seems to be drunkenness. Of course if you know you're an unpleasant drunk - and you still drink - that's no excuse at all.

As a fellow Son of Albion, I've lost count of the number of times I've gotten sh*t gaming online on account of having an English accent. A simple "say what you like, this accent gets me more girls than I know what to do with" usually either shuts up the doofus, or gets him on your side and laughing with you.

The fact that it's not true is neither here nor there

I save my Brit insults for Floomi.

Shoryuken just posted this in response to the WNF incident last night, and the whole situation in general.

TL;DR - SRK is no longer sponsoring WNF, and WNF seed points are no longer valid for Evo. We wanted the community to stand up and police itself, this is the start. I hope to see much more of this very, very soon.

ahrezmendi wrote:

Shoryuken just posted this in response to the WNF incident last night, and the whole situation in general.

TL;DR - SRK is no longer sponsoring WNF, and WNF seed points are no longer valid for Evo. We wanted the community to stand up and police itself, this is the start. I hope to see much more of this very, very soon.

Bravo.

Malor wrote:
Just seems like most threads like this have more than a few people saying "Gasp! I've never seen anything like this!

Well, if you're smart and play with GWJers, you usually won't.

Well, you might get some playing LoL with me after I have some whiskey in me.

ahrezmendi wrote:

Shoryuken just posted this in response to the WNF incident last night, and the whole situation in general.

TL;DR - SRK is no longer sponsoring WNF, and WNF seed points are no longer valid for Evo. We wanted the community to stand up and police itself, this is the start. I hope to see much more of this very, very soon.

Badass.