The Syrian Uprising

In an attempt to keep your Syrian Uprising chocolate out of my Iran War peanut butter, here's a thread dedicated solely to Syria's rapid descent into hell on earth.

I'll start.

As if the country didn't have enough problems right now, yesterday's suicide bombings of Syria security headquarters in Aleppo that killed 28 and wounded hundreds turns out not to have been done by the opposition, but Al Qaeda. Specifically, the Iraqi branch of AQ.

The international terrorist network's presence in Syria also raises the possibility that Islamic extremists will try to hijack the uprising, which would seriously complicate efforts by the United States and its European and Arab partners to force Assad's regime from power. On Friday, President Barack Obama repeated his call for Assad to step down, accusing his forces of "outrageous bloodshed."

The U.S. intelligence reports indicate that the bombings came on the orders of Ayman al Zawahiri, the Egyptian extremist who assumed leadership of al Qaida's Pakistan-based central command after the May 2011 death of Osama bin Laden. They suggest that Zawahiri still wields considerable influence over the network's affiliates despite the losses the Pakistan-based core group has suffered from missile-firing CIA drones and other intensified U.S. counterterrorism operations.

I thought Islam specifically prohibited the killing of other Muslims?

Sadly, history shows that it's dreadfully easy to convince people that "those guys aren't real Muslims" (or Christians, or Buddhists).

That's probably partly why Assad is blaming the unrest on "foreign terrorists". Frankly, he was okay when things were contained and the major cities and regions didn't actually see the violence. Now, I think he's screwed in the medium term, maybe even in the short term if the Free Syrian Army is well led.

Best not to look for consistency in religion, or its application.

Best to think of them as Sunni or Shi'a rather than "Muslims." That's how they think of it.

Technically the Syrian uprising isn't a clash between Sunni or Shi'a. It's a clash between the ruling Alawite sect and the Sunni majority. The Alawites split from Shiism more than a millenia ago.

OG_slinger wrote:

Technically the Syrian uprising isn't a clash between Sunni or Shi'a. It's a clash between the ruling Alawite sect and the Sunni majority. The Alawites split from Shiism more than a millenia ago.

Splitters!

Excuse me, you need to get your facts straight. Al Qaeda used to have a major foothold in Iraq, but that's totally the reason we started the war with them. Now that war has been finished, with complete victory, thus obviously all of the terrorists are gone.

(/sarcasm)

Yonder wrote:

Excuse me, you need to get your facts straight. Al Qaeda used to have a major foothold in Iraq, but that's totally the reason we started the war with them. Now that war has been finished, with complete victory, thus obviously all of the terrorists are gone.

(/sarcasm)

No, sir. YOU have it wrong. AQ was entirely eradicated by Bush the Younger, but the moment Barack Osama got elected, all the terrorists sprung back to life.

Well Putin didn't waste much time after the 'election.'

He just sent elite Russian marine and spec-ops troops to Syria to help the regime conduct "anti-terrorism" missions.

I'm not sure how much of this is Putin swinging his dick around now that he's officially back in power or if this is just considered a customer service call for a major weapons purchaser.

It's amazing how much less press Syria is getting versus Lebanon got. Guess it does pay to have oil.

Well, the BBC has a ton of Syria coverage, if you listen to them at all. There's hardly a newscast where they don't mention it at least once.

Malor wrote:

Well, the BBC has a ton of Syria coverage, if you listen to them at all. There's hardly a newscast where they don't mention it at least once.

Yeah I visit the BBC daily and see it on there. I was more talking about the American media.

NPR has constant coverage of it, as well. I think part of why it's missing in some reporting is that many US news organizations gutted their foreign services in the 90's. Also, after a few reporters get killed in unpleasant ways at the hands of the government, others are less likely to remain.

And, frankly, I'm sort of relieved that the coverage of Syria has been relatively light. What passes for news or analysis has pretty much just been pro war propaganda in the last 20 years. As Robear mentions, news outlets don't have foreign bureaus and rely pretty much on just parroting either the party line from the president or opposing politicians or, worse, setting up point/counterpoint "discussions" from uninformed "experts".

The Syrians are killing about 20 civilians per day on average as far as I know. I think it went up to 40. Israel is generally neutral in the conflict(gov't officials said stop the killing but nothing other than that). The IDF prepared for refuges but most of them prefer to run to Lebanon or Turkey. Israel is already taking care of some refugees from South Sudan, Darfur and Eritrea. There are also a lot of Africans that try to cross the border from to find jobs. The passage through Sinai is dangerous because it's a desert and there are hostile Bedouins on the way and Egyptian military forces on the border.

The Syrian people are composed of many people and religion. The people who live near the Israeli borders are mostly Druze which are known to be loyal to the country they live in. The Druze generally support Assad but they probably won't go around killing for him . The Alawite are mostly in the north so if the regime falls it's unlikely they'll run to Israel.

Assad Jr is now working on breaking his father's record . Syria is a totalitarian regime . The children in schools have to recite an oath of loyalty to the dictator every day. You can be sure Israel will not interfere in things that go on In Syria. The last thing we want is more rockets . We don't want Assad to find an excuse to start a war with us to distract his people. There are no Iron Dome systems near northern cities yet but there are plenty of bomb shelters (maybe not in Arab towns they got hit pretty bad in Lebanon 2).

Most people think Assad will fall eventually but a whole lot of people would die in the process. The Syrian military is using all kind of terror tactics which include killing women and children. I heard they were throwing corpses off roofs as they were killing people. The Syrians are also bombarding towns with Artillery . I try to avoid watching any footage that comes from Syria things are pretty bad there.

Thanks for that Nesig. Nice post. Always nice to have local detail on these subjects.

I heard our next door neighbors in Syria are now torturing children .

Navi Pillay wrote:

"They've gone for the children - for whatever purposes - in large numbers. Hundreds detained and tortured... it's just horrendous," she said.

"Children shot in the knees, held together with adults in really inhumane conditions, denied medical treatment for their injuries, either held as hostages or as sources of information."

Axon wrote:

Thanks for that Nesig. Nice post. Always nice to have local detail on these subjects.

Because the average Israeli spends a lot of time in Syria?

Niseg wrote:

I heard our next door neighbors in Syria are now torturing children .

Navi Pillay wrote:

"They've gone for the children - for whatever purposes - in large numbers. Hundreds detained and tortured... it's just horrendous," she said.

"Children shot in the knees, held together with adults in really inhumane conditions, denied medical treatment for their injuries, either held as hostages or as sources of information."

So now Syria and Israel have something in common.

OG_slinger wrote:

So now Syria and Israel have something in common.

Being harassed by the UN human rights council ?

Funkenpants wrote:
Axon wrote:

Thanks for that Nesig. Nice post. Always nice to have local detail on these subjects.

Because the average Israeli spends a lot of time in Syria?

Israel is actually no different than the rest of the world. We get the same news from Syria and ignore it for our own reason.

There are Druze who visit Syria regularly but most of them refused to get an Israeli citizenship. It may change in a few generations . The Golan Heights have been under Israeli control longer than it was under Syrian control and that isn't going to change anytime soon. Some people think that Syria might split up after the revolution . I would Probably be favorable for Israel because the Druze who live in Southern Syria are very peaceful when compared to Sunni or Shiite Muslims .

Niseg wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:

So now Syria and Israel have something in common.

Being harassed by the UN human rights council?

Israel playing the victim card? I've never heard of that one before...

But seriously. Israel detains hundreds of children and terrifies them in hopes of either scaring them or using them for sources of information, just like the Syrians. Israel also has a long track record of using torture in detention, just like the Syrians. And denying medical treatment of not only detainees, but essentially any Palestinian unlucky enough to live in Gaza.

Never heard of that . I doubt any of them died or maimed . A stone is a deadly weapon so I won't be surprised if they were detained. As far as I understand according to wikipedia the criminal responsibility age in Israel is 12 (used to be 9) . You can check if the delinquent Palestinian children received the same treatment.

As far as I understood Assad killed about 8000 people in a year including women and children. There is a debate who killed who but Assad would generally be held responsible because he's the sovereign . Acorrding this article Unicef said 384~ children died and 380 were detained. I'm not sure what's going on in Syria because much like other conflicts Journalists are targeted by the military forces .

I kinda agree Israel is being a little selfish in this conflict. We won't send our soldiers to die to save our enemies' children or civilian population . Israel have sent numerous relief and/or aid to countries who suffered natural disasters but when it's close to home we don't do too much (well Assad isn't a natural disaster ). Considering the fact that the Syrian government is actively trying to hurt our citizens by proxy It's not surprising we are overly suspicious and arrogant. The regime tortures and kills civilians - we are not surprised . Sadam did the same things so why should Assad have higher standards.

I've recently heard Assad announced the rebellion has ended and now he's stabilizing the country. The rebels didn't have a chance without outside help. The Syrian have lots of tanks and the support of Shiite mercenaries from Lebanon and Iran.

Funkenpants wrote:
Axon wrote:

Thanks for that Nesig. Nice post. Always nice to have local detail on these subjects.

Because the average Israeli spends a lot of time in Syria?

I geniunely liked Nesig's input. I'm not saying its gospel and I admit that the use of the word local was quite liberal but nonetheless its a perspective that I appreciate.