"Name of the Wind" - NerdCon Oct10 No Date for Book 3 Yet

Nightmare wrote:
AnimeJ wrote:
LeapingGnome wrote:
AnimeJ wrote:

I can see where you're coming from, but I saw this one as a very stream of consciousness narrative from Kvothe.

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So with the shipwreck? It was a crappy time, and one he didn't want to dwell on. He downplayed the poisoning as it was simply a means to an ends to him, and of no real consequence. Denna, we get a taste for when he introduces her for the first time. I fully expect there to be continued mooning over her and great expenditure of vocabulary and verbology on her behalf at every given opportunity. As for the Gram, it's of no real consequence due to distance. If Ambrose tried to use sympathy on Kvothe half the world away, he'd kill himself from the effort. Shoot, if I were Kvothe, I'd invite that.

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Ambrose can't do that, remember Kvothe destroyed the mommet of himself when he broke into the rooms.

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Even more reason for him not to care about the gram, I'd forgotten about that somehow.

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I thought Ambrose was at home, which is not too far from Vintas, if I recall correctly

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Ah yea, he did take a semester off, didn't he?

Clearly the answer is that I need to put down Island in the Sea of Time and reread these.

Hypatian wrote:
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I don't agree. There's a bit where he tries to do the escape move he described learning from the little girl, and is confused that it doesn't work. That's consistent with the idea that he made it up and never knew how to do it in the first place (but convinced himself for a moment that he can), or the idea that something has made him not-what-he-once-was (and he's reminded himself for a moment that he should be able to)... but it's not really consistent with him trying to avoid blowing his cover.

The only possible person he could be trying to convince is the Chronicler--he was the only person in the room who might see the move and recognize it and see that Kvothe couldn't do something that he was supposed to be able to do.

There's something else going on here.

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Well, throughout the story he's constantly splitting his mind into multiple pieces. In book 1 he relates a story about playing hide and seek with his mind and one session in particular where the piece doing the hiding doesn't actually hide anything, wanting to see how long the other piece would search. I believe that part of his mind prevented him from using his skills, which was a shock to the active part. But that's just my theory.

I feel like a total crank, but I just have to get this off my chest. Feel free to ignore it if you so desire.

(re: chapter 95 or so)

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This Felurian thing he goes into is some of the worst writing I've experienced in the last few years. We talked about "Gary Stu," and what could be MORE "Gary Stu" than Kvothe randomly encountering a magical force of sex and hotness, losing his virginity to her (gah), and then having the willpower to "walk away" like no other mortal man has EVER done?

I literally cannot get past this section. The Maer stuff was a little boring, but doable. The bandits section was a slow build, but at least lead somewhere interesting. This? I think it's taken me three days to get through three pages. Wondering if I should just skip ahead.

Not sure why others seem to be fine with all of this stuff while it totally rubs me the wrong way. I am interested in this world, and this character, but Rothfuss seems to be doing everything he can to make me stop caring.

Boy, if you think you're annoyed now, just wait. It only gets worse.

Matt, I didn't like that section either, like I explained before. It is not that everyone thinks it is fine, it is that we got through it and enjoyed the other parts of the book, at least in my case. There are things that happen in that section that are important later, so I can understand why it was written, but I did not care for it.

EDIT: I do think if you only read the book like an hour a night or something, you could look at that like I just wasted an hour reading this crap. I read the book in about three days so it was easier for me to gloss over the boring/not as good sections and remember the good stuff.

I think Matt and I are reading at about the same pace. That section bothered me too. I thankfully finished it yesterday.

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Then, once he gets out of the Fae, he's some sexual dynamo. Which is fine. I guess.

But then, to skitter off with Tempi to Haert without wrapping up the Maer thing which is why he is out there in the first place seems dopey. This book seems to be getting worse and worse and threatens to devolve into some pastiche of a Bioware RPG. /overwrought_angst

I really hope this picks back up.

Rothfuss says the 3rd book (he is still saying it is a trilogy) is going to take a couple of years to write:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...

Sanderson: So, when’s book three going to be out? And don’t you already have it written? Because I’ve heard you say before that you already have it written. So what’s the holdup?

Rothfuss: Yeah. I've heard that one before. That's actually a pretty reasonable question.

Here's the deal:

In some ways, I do already have the trilogy written. I wrote all of Kvothe's story all the way to the end back in 2000.

So yeah. In some ways, the whole trilogy is finished.

But really it depends on what you mean by "Finished."

Back in 2000, I thought the story was pretty much done. I thought it was awesome. I thought it was ready to be published.

Since then, I've learned a lot about writing. A lot. When I recently re-read the third book, I could see huge glaring mistakes that weren't obvious to me before. That's a good thing.

The other problem is that the first two books of the series have changed considerably since 2000. I've added characters and plotlines. I've probably added, 250,000 words worth of new material since then. Back in 2000, Devi wasn't in the book. Neither was Auri. Neither was the Draccus.

That's part of what took me so long with book two. I didn't just have to write a sequel. That's would have been hard enough. I had to take a book I'd already written, and re-write it so that it matched up with all the changes I'd made to book one.

I think doing that is harder than starting from scratch. Re-writing the beginning section of The Wise Man's Fear was really, really hard. But adding a 60,000 word subplot later in the book was really easy, because I wasn't revising it, I was creating it all fresh.

Book three is going to take a couple years because now I have to integrate all the changes from TWO books when I'm re-writing. Luckily, now I have a better idea how to do that. I'm a much better writer than I was two years ago, and I'm actually looking forward to digging in and starting on the project.

I bet he ends up with two more books to finish the trilogy. Sigh.

LeapingGnome wrote:

Matt, I didn't like that section either, like I explained before. It is not that everyone thinks it is fine, it is that we got through it and enjoyed the other parts of the book, at least in my case. There are things that happen in that section that are important later, so I can understand why it was written, but I did not care for it.

EDIT: I do think if you only read the book like an hour a night or something, you could look at that like I just wasted an hour reading this crap. I read the book in about three days so it was easier for me to gloss over the boring/not as good sections and remember the good stuff.

I'm on the other end of it. To me, as ridiculous as that section was(and I absolutely think that it's stupidly ridiculous), I don't think it's at all out of place for who and what Kvothe is. < That's a mild spoiler, but it's fairly early on in Name of the Wind.

But when you look at it from that perspective, I don't think anything he's claimed, or the order he's telling his story in is really out of line for him. But then, I really enjoy the character(I find him very similar to Locke Lamora, as it were) so I find myself in a very apologetic place.

MikeSands wrote:

I bet he ends up with two more books to finish the trilogy. Sigh.

He is extremely adamant that there is only one more book. There will be more books set in this world but only one more in this series.

It'll just be the size of an encyclopedia.

Malor wrote:

It'll just be the size of an encyclopedia.

Since I have to wait 2-3 more years, it better be.

I think there's a certain disconnect here because of how the story is structured. On the one hand, the story of Kvothe is very reminiscent to me of a certain old-school "travelogue" style. I'm thinking Riddle-Master of Hed, some of The True Game, maybe God-stalk, Dying Earth, on the sci-fi-ish side Northwest of Earth, and many others. The style is typified by a main character thrust into strange situations, often in a very episodic form. (Many of these sorts of stories were short stories that appeared in magazines, with recurring characters in different situations.) On the fantasy side, if the character had any powers they were very mysterious--not "shoot lightning out of hands", more "knows the three secret words of power--nobody knows what the third word does, because nobody has ever had to say it".

The "episodes" in this sort of story typically involved encounters with similarly mysterious "mythic" figures, or places, or other sorts of dangers. Often there was the sense the the world they lived in was full of eldritch dangers, and the main character would survive only through their wits, or because of something they happened to have found and suddenly realize what it's for, etc.

The outside-of-school stuff in the stories of Kvothe seem to me to match this kind of style. In that scenario, the story of "How Kvothe Met Felurian of the Wood", or "How Kvothe Became a Kung-Fu Master" or the like work very well.

But the problem is that Rothfuss is fitting them together as a single narrative, and that breaks the style quite a bit. If Kvothe was sharing them as separate self-contained entities, all framed by the Kote story, it would fit together better. But instead, there's also the school narrative flowing through things, and Kvothe returns to it as kind of a "home base". And the narrative there has certain aspects of the episodic style, but it generally has a much tighter narrative flow.

That mismatch between the two "parts" of the story leads to some of the weirdness, I think. Since the story is neither fish nor fowl, you end up either wishing there was more intense action in the "normal story pace" part and more sanity in the "episodic travelogue story" part.

Hypatian wrote:

Good points and stuff

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I think you're underestimating Kvothe's time in the University. Even there it's beyond strange, from his admission age(15ish), how fast he was promoted to E'lir(3 days) and Re'lar(a couple years?). He's probably the youngest Re'lar on the books excepting perhaps Elodin, and we already know that when he gets expelled he's *still* younger than the majority of new students.

To me, from that perspective, his entire *life* is nothing but a strange travelogue up until he becomes Kote, and even then, you have this kid who's practically world famous that faked his death and is running an inn.

Sorry for a post of nothing but spoilers, I'm probably erring on the side of caution though.

Alright: spoilers up to page 600.

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I'm in the part where Kvothe is leading the mercenaries in the forest, and it's rapidly growing boring. I assume this seemingly irrelevant side-plot will somehow link back to the Chandrian, but I feel like the book is just jumping from plot to plot, with no regard for what's gone before. What happened to Denna's shady activities back in Imre? Although I am annoyed by the number of pages devoted to her. I don't want to give totally negative impressions though. Although I don't know how Rothfuss is going to tie up the whole plot in another book-and-a-half.

LeapingGnome wrote:

Matt, I didn't like that section either, like I explained before. It is not that everyone thinks it is fine, it is that we got through it and enjoyed the other parts of the book, at least in my case. There are things that happen in that section that are important later, so I can understand why it was written, but I did not care for it.

EDIT: I do think if you only read the book like an hour a night or something, you could look at that like I just wasted an hour reading this crap. I read the book in about three days so it was easier for me to gloss over the boring/not as good sections and remember the good stuff.

Your "edit" hits the mark-- I tend to read quite a lot on Sundays, but during most of the rest of the week I just hunker down for an hour before going to bed. I got through the first 50 chapters or so all in one day, but then the rest has dragged on. I haven't even opened the book the last few days, and it's really annoying me.

Hypatian wrote:

But the problem is that Rothfuss is fitting them together as a single narrative, and that breaks the style quite a bit. If Kvothe was sharing them as separate self-contained entities, all framed by the Kote story, it would fit together better. But instead, there's also the school narrative flowing through things, and Kvothe returns to it as kind of a "home base". And the narrative there has certain aspects of the episodic style, but it generally has a much tighter narrative flow.

That mismatch between the two "parts" of the story leads to some of the weirdness, I think. Since the story is neither fish nor fowl, you end up either wishing there was more intense action in the "normal story pace" part and more sanity in the "episodic travelogue story" part.

This is exactly what I meant a few pages back when I said I thought the METHOD of storytelling wasn't working for me. If it was some sort of "come to Kote's bar and hear a crazy tale from his youth" kind of short story collection, I don't think it'd bother me quite so much. I could perhaps enjoy it as a "one-off," and wonder if he's telling the truth or just bullsh*tting me for the purpose of telling a "fun" story. That would require many more interruptions from Bast and Chronicler, though, acting incredulous or doing spit-takes, or whatever... or at least SOME sort of acknowledgement as to how ludicrous the whole thing is.

Thanks to AnimeJ's link, I see the whole...

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...Felurian thing...

...has been there since day one. Still, the way it's been woven into the overall narrative just seems so artless. In fact, this whole middle section just feels like someone needed to pad out a 500 page novel into a 900 page novel to justify the current "big ass fantasy novel" trend.

Not too happy to see Malor's comment about things "only getting worse." Maybe I should just give up. The funny thing is, I really enjoy the Locke Lamora books, so I don't think it's that I'm annoyed by that TYPE of character; it's more how Rothfuss is (IMHO) really fumbling to do it justice.

El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:

Alright: spoilers up to page 600.

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I'm in the part where Kvothe is leading the mercenaries in the forest, and it's rapidly growing boring. I assume this seemingly irrelevant side-plot will somehow link back to the Chandrian, but I feel like the book is just jumping from plot to plot, with no regard for what's gone before. What happened to Denna's shady activities back in Imre? Although I am annoyed by the number of pages devoted to her. I don't want to give totally negative impressions though. Although I don't know how Rothfuss is going to tie up the whole plot in another book-and-a-half.

Taco, are you really ME from the past?

This is getting scary.

I was able to swallow Felurian, but the next section of the book completely knocked me out of suspension of disbelief, and it still bothers me. It made no sense on multiple levels simultaneously. I won't get into them now, but if you get through that section, I'll spoiler-tag some thoughts.

That part was so bad that it's what prompted my early comments about "fantasy Batman". It just didn't belong in the book at all, and it still makes me roll my eyes.

It picks up nicely after that, though, and starts making sense again.

...has been there since day one. Still, the way it's been woven into the overall narrative just seems so artless. In fact, this whole middle section just feels like someone needed to pad out a 500 page novel into a 900 page novel to justify the current "big ass fantasy novel" trend.

Not too happy to see Malor's comment about things "only getting worse." Maybe I should just give up. The funny thing is, I really enjoy the Locke Lamora books, so I don't think it's that I'm annoyed by that TYPE of character; it's more how Rothfuss is (IMHO) really fumbling to do it justice.

I had some of the same problems with the Felurian section (it was about 50 pages longer than it needed to be, though it *is* important and in my opinion a key plot point) but I disagree with Malor that it only gets worse. The book starts to get more interesting with the introduction of a new subculture and speeds up significantly towards the end.

Yeah, I shouldn't have said it ONLY gets worse, but I found the next section after Felurian to be completely dumb. The culture was good and all, but hardly anything made sense in that whole section.

It gets good again after that.

Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed this book, but I think what's wrong with the Felurian sequence is even more wrong in the next one.

AnimeJ wrote:
Hypatian wrote:

Good points and stuff

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I think you're underestimating Kvothe's time in the University. Even there it's beyond strange, from his admission age(15ish), how fast he was promoted to E'lir(3 days) and Re'lar(a couple years?). He's probably the youngest Re'lar on the books excepting perhaps Elodin, and we already know that when he gets expelled he's *still* younger than the majority of new students.

To me, from that perspective, his entire *life* is nothing but a strange travelogue up until he becomes Kote, and even then, you have this kid who's practically world famous that faked his death and is running an inn.

Sorry for a post of nothing but spoilers, I'm probably erring on the side of caution though.

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You're right that the university life is strange, but it's a different *kind* of strange--the sort that appears in a "growing up/training" type story--school days, like Harry Potter or Alanna, or the like. In that sort of story, the place the main character has in has mysterious features that are discovered, and the main character discovers themselves and makes friends, etc. It's a story about growing up. Travelogue stories, on the other hand, are only tangentially about growth: the character might take away some magical thing or some skill or some specific insight from an encounter, but the focus is all on the specific adventures, usually undertaken alone. The school story is about friends and growing up, and the adventures serve as challenges in the overall process--they're the background rather than the focus.

That's exactly why this is such a strange mix-up of stuff. It would fit better, I think, if the "school days" and the "travel" weren't mixed. A reasonably long "growing up" segment and then being thrust into a dangerous (much more dangerous than most everyday people might imagine!) world works reasonably well. The part that mixes it all up is that he does some growing up, then goes on some adventures in the world (investigating the Chandrian at the wedding, leading to the dragon thing), then comes back and grows up some more, then goes on more adventures (saves a king, meets Felurian, learns kung-fu), then comes back to grow up some more...

Those transitions just don't fit very well. Every time, it's harder to imagine that Kvothe *needs* more schooling, because the kind of people in travelogue tales are powers in their own right, as mysterious and wonderful as the things they encounter.

Ahh, well. I'm still enjoying things. :)

By the way, I heartily recommend P.C. Hodgell's [em]God-stalk[/em]. The books that follow are good, too, but God-stalk itself is great. You can buy a DRM-free ebook copy at Baen's Webscription.net site. I think it's a much better example of mixing growing-up and travelogue, and it's something of a cult classic: a lot of people have never heard of it, because it was very very hard to get for a while. (I believe The God-stalker Chronicles is an omnibus of the first two books, God-stalk and Dark of the Moon--a pretty good deal for $6.)

That's good analysis, Hypatian. You're right that it might have worked better with a different structure.

So I finished this today (I ordered it when the thread popped up along with the first one, then re-read Name of the Wind, so it took awhile). I really enjoyed it, but I think it does work better when you read it fast. It's easier to swallow certain parts when you can see them come together as a whole. Like others have said, I think Rothfuss is going to have some difficulty bringing it to a close and it will end with a setup for a new series.

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I didn't mind Chapter 52. I felt that either he was thumbing his nose to his audience in character and as an author. Yes, it was convenient as it setup even more clever stuff for Kvothe to do, but I'm ok with that. And it leaves Rothfuss with a novella or perhaps even a whole novel to write for that time.

The fae portion is important for the Chtean (sp?), although it was hard to swallow the taming of Felurian. Elodion does sort of explain it at the end of the book.

The only part that struck me as abrupt and strange was the shift from his time with the Adem where he finds the false Ruh troupers. I guess I can see some foreshadowing as to how he let's his anger control his emotions and the problems it causes.

I thought it might be possible that the Maer's wife's sister was Kvothe's mom, but it seemed a little odd. I guess it could be the case when you consider how young the character is.

I'm willing to bet Denna dies, probably by the Chandrian hands or the King - whoever that is. The puzzle box has to play into it somehow as well.

Overall, I'm willing to buy into the story with Kvothe doing amazing things with relative ease. Part of it is because he's held to a legendary standard by the other characters and then the narrator shows the truth. The other part is that it's a fantasy novel, I can't get that worked up about fantastical characters in a fantastic world. It's written well and is compelling enough to keep going, so I'm all in and will be on board with the next one.

Malor wrote:

Someone famous pointed out awhile back that every guy, up until the age of 25 or so, thinks he could be a world-class badass if only he took the time to train. I think SommerMatt's 'Gary Stu' comment sort of applies... it's wish-fulfillment for nerds.

That's from Snow Crash, FYI:

Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest motherf*cker in the world. If I moved to a martial-arts monastery in China and studied real hard for ten years. If my family was wiped out by Colombian drug dealers and I swore myself to revenge. If I got a fatal disease, had one year to live, and devoted it to wiping out street crime. If I just dropped out and devoted my life to being bad.
Hiro used to feel this way, too, but then he ran into Raven. In a way, this was liberating. He no longer has to worry about being the baddest motherf*cker in the world. The position is taken.
SommerMatt wrote:
El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:

Alright: spoilers up to page 600.

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I'm in the part where Kvothe is leading the mercenaries in the forest, and it's rapidly growing boring. I assume this seemingly irrelevant side-plot will somehow link back to the Chandrian, but I feel like the book is just jumping from plot to plot, with no regard for what's gone before. What happened to Denna's shady activities back in Imre? Although I am annoyed by the number of pages devoted to her. I don't want to give totally negative impressions though. Although I don't know how Rothfuss is going to tie up the whole plot in another book-and-a-half.

Taco, are you really ME from the past?

This is getting scary.

Man, I guess AWESOME minds think alike??

But yeh, I'll stop posting for now, and when I'm done (probably by Tuesday or so) I'll read the whole thread.

Hypatian wrote:
AnimeJ wrote:
Hypatian wrote:

Good points and stuff

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I think you're underestimating Kvothe's time in the University. Even there it's beyond strange, from his admission age(15ish), how fast he was promoted to E'lir(3 days) and Re'lar(a couple years?). He's probably the youngest Re'lar on the books excepting perhaps Elodin, and we already know that when he gets expelled he's *still* younger than the majority of new students.

To me, from that perspective, his entire *life* is nothing but a strange travelogue up until he becomes Kote, and even then, you have this kid who's practically world famous that faked his death and is running an inn.

Sorry for a post of nothing but spoilers, I'm probably erring on the side of caution though.

more awesome

By the way, I heartily recommend P.C. Hodgell's [em]God-stalk[/em]. The books that follow are good, too, but God-stalk itself is great. You can buy a DRM-free ebook copy at Baen's Webscription.net site. I think it's a much better example of mixing growing-up and travelogue, and it's something of a cult classic: a lot of people have never heard of it, because it was very very hard to get for a while. (I believe The God-stalker Chronicles is an omnibus of the first two books, God-stalk and Dark of the Moon--a pretty good deal for $6.)

Before I get to the awesome, the other books; If I can find them on Kindle I'll read them while I'm here. If not, they'll have to wait until I get home in December.

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There's a bit in the chapters when he's off dealing with the bandit issue when he remember what Elodin, and his father as well, had been trying to teach him. One of the things that Kvothe always seems to wind up with more of, no matter where he goes, and what he does are questions without answers. So, here's the bit from Elodin:

"Re'lar Kvothe, I am trying to wake your sleeping mind to the subtle language the world is whispering. I am trying to seduce you into understanding. I am trying to teach you. Quit grabbing at my tits."

And here's the passage from Kvothe:

"'It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question and he'll look for his own answers. That way, when he finds the answers, they'll be precious to him. The harder the question, the harder we hunt. The harder we hunt, the more we learn. An impossible question...' I trailed off as realization burst onto me. Elodin. That is what Elodin had been doing. Everything he'd done in his class. The games, the hints, the cryptic riddling. They were all questions of a sort."

All of Kvothe's travels have been answers to supposedly impossible questions. Can you find someone who is somewhere off the edge of a map? Can a man go to Felurian and return with his sanity? Can one who is not of the Ademre, become one of the Ademre?

I'd like to think that there are many more subtle undertones in and around all of this, and I'd really like to think that there's some basis in reality and this isn't simply the ramblings of a man who's been up for 15 hours on 4 hours of sleep. But with that said, I can't really say for sure, only that it makes a certain amount of sense from where I'm sitting.

Oh and on an unrelated note, I really, really like Elodin. Between the quote up in the spoilers and this gem:

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"Uresh. Your next assignmetn is to have sex. If you do not know how to do this, see me after class."

I finished The Wise Man's Fear! Which means I can now stop avoiding this thread and catch up on the discussion. I'll add my thoughts once I let them settle.

I saw Patrick Rothfuss while he was on tour the past few weeks. He came to my area and did a reading/talk/signing. He's very funny and engaging, plus I got my book signed. If you ever have the chance to see him at a convention or on tour, I highly recommend going.

SommerMatt wrote:

I feel like a total crank, but I just have to get this off my chest. Feel free to ignore it if you so desire.

(re: chapter 95 or so)

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This Felurian thing he goes into is some of the worst writing I've experienced in the last few years. We talked about "Gary Stu," and what could be MORE "Gary Stu" than Kvothe randomly encountering a magical force of sex and hotness, losing his virginity to her (gah), and then having the willpower to "walk away" like no other mortal man has EVER done?

I literally cannot get past this section. The Maer stuff was a little boring, but doable. The bandits section was a slow build, but at least lead somewhere interesting. This? I think it's taken me three days to get through three pages. Wondering if I should just skip ahead.

Not sure why others seem to be fine with all of this stuff while it totally rubs me the wrong way. I am interested in this world, and this character, but Rothfuss seems to be doing everything he can to make me stop caring.

Okay, it's official. I am you trapped two days in the past. My thoughts were EXACTLY the same, just got there this morning. I'm 99% of the way through that segment, and it's just a mess. And talk about random plot changes

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Oh, hey, a Fae queen. Hold on gang, I'm diverting the plot for a week or two!.

Can't we get back to the university, or the Chandrian? Heck, I'd even take a rendevous with Denna over the last 20 or so chapters.

That diversion isn't as bad as it seems, you'll see.

Finished the book earlier today (okay -- late last night), and I enjoyed it. Not as much as the first one, but enough where the next 2+ years are going to drag on. I'm expecting others here to revive this thread and remind me when the next book comes out!

El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:
SommerMatt wrote:

I feel like a total crank, but I just have to get this off my chest. Feel free to ignore it if you so desire.

(re: chapter 95 or so)

Spoiler:

This Felurian thing he goes into is some of the worst writing I've experienced in the last few years. We talked about "Gary Stu," and what could be MORE "Gary Stu" than Kvothe randomly encountering a magical force of sex and hotness, losing his virginity to her (gah), and then having the willpower to "walk away" like no other mortal man has EVER done?

I literally cannot get past this section. The Maer stuff was a little boring, but doable. The bandits section was a slow build, but at least lead somewhere interesting. This? I think it's taken me three days to get through three pages. Wondering if I should just skip ahead.

Not sure why others seem to be fine with all of this stuff while it totally rubs me the wrong way. I am interested in this world, and this character, but Rothfuss seems to be doing everything he can to make me stop caring.

Okay, it's official. I am you trapped two days in the past. My thoughts were EXACTLY the same, just got there this morning. I'm 99% of the way through that segment, and it's just a mess. And talk about random plot changes

Spoiler:

Oh, hey, a Fae queen. Hold on gang, I'm diverting the plot for a week or two!.

Can't we get back to the university, or the Chandrian? Heck, I'd even take a rendevous with Denna over the last 20 or so chapters.

I'm seriously considering abandoning the book, actually. I have Dark Tower VII and the Malazan books to start (thanks to a tip in the other book thread).