EA/Valve Falling Out: Mass Effect 3 to Skip Steam?

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So, EA and Valve got in a spat and EA pulled Crysis and Alice out off of Valve. Story here: http://www.giantbomb.com/news/crysis...

There was some discussion on this in the Crysis thread, but since this isn’t really about Crysis (or Alice, the other game involved), I was hoping to bring the conversation to a more central, focused point.

More recent tidbits (bluesnews) have it that Valve pulled Crysis because the in-game transactions will not be going through Steam, but Origin, which breaks Steam's newish rules.

Here we go http://www.bluesnews.com/s/122753/ea...

duckilama wrote:

More recent tidbits (bluesnews) have it that Valve pulled Crysis because the in-game transactions will not be going through Steam, but Origin, which breaks Steam's newish rules.

I'm surprised they didn't draw the line with ME2 and DA before it. All that stuff was through Bioware.com only.

duckilama wrote:

More recent tidbits (bluesnews) have it that Valve pulled Crysis because the in-game transactions will not be going through Steam, but Origin, which breaks Steam's newish rules.

Here we go http://www.bluesnews.com/s/122753/ea...

But what about all of those free to play games Steam just added today? They all have in-game transactions right?

We still don't have full details on this.

And tbh, personally, I HATED EA Download Manager, and EA ONLINE store (the one that came bfoer it). I've had terrrrrible experiences from both, and I have zero trust in EA to do Origin right. I will NOT spend a dime on EA's store if I can help it. I am going as far as to buy BF3 on retail just to avoid this crap.

LockAndLoad wrote:
duckilama wrote:

More recent tidbits (bluesnews) have it that Valve pulled Crysis because the in-game transactions will not be going through Steam, but Origin, which breaks Steam's newish rules.

Here we go http://www.bluesnews.com/s/122753/ea...

But what about all of those free to play games Steam just added today? They all have in-game transactions right?

Steam wrote:

Free-to-Play games are available to download for free and can be played without a subscription or a credit card. Your Steam wallet allows you to purchase items and content in-game to customize your gameplay.

Looks like the in-game transactions for those have to go through Steam wallet. I suspect this means that Valve gets a cut of any transaction.

GFWL games?

Yeah Bioshock 2 is on Steam and you can only buy its DLC through GFWL. Doesn't make sense. Especially with EA's previous moves of cutting out Steam, with DAO2 and Dead Space 2.

Like I said, newish rules. Probably because of all those titles you guys mentioned

I will buy my EA Games retail if I have to. EA marketing laid a giant brown bomb with this idea.

It definitely sounds like a DLC issue. That's too bad, though. I can see both sides of the issue, but money fights are usually silly.

It kind of sucks that gamers (er, consumers) are the ones who are ultimately hurt by the politics of business.

Then again, I might just be a conspicuous consumer and mad about companies moving away from Steam as being their lead distribution platform.

"+ non Steam game" here I come!

I guess I'll never play Crysis 2 because it won't be on a steam sale. Also, unfortunately, I'll have to buy BF3 locally.

This is going to be a serious hit for PC gaming for a bit, and a worse hit for EA.

casual_alcoholic wrote:

This is going to be a serious hit for PC gaming for a bit, and a worse hit for EA.

We will see.. I would love to see the gamer community really take a stand and vote with their wallet rather than talk a good game and cave at the last moment.

Pikey26 wrote:

GFWL games?

Section 8 Prejudice's map pack is only through GFWL since I would have bought it from steam otherwise.
I think with GFWL you can buy stuff by opening GFWL(pressing Home button) while playing the game.
I bought mine using the separate Games For Windows Marketplace exe.
S8P is still up on steam.

casual_alcoholic wrote:

This is going to be a serious hit for PC gaming for a bit, and a worse hit for EA.

Let's hope that's the order it goes in rather than the opposite.

TheGameguru wrote:
casual_alcoholic wrote:

This is going to be a serious hit for PC gaming for a bit, and a worse hit for EA.

We will see.. I would love to see the gamer community really take a stand and vote with their wallet rather than talk a good game and cave at the last moment.

It'll be tough, because a lot of people (like me) will probably just buy it for consoles instead. They can write off greater console sales a lot of other ways besides this Steam BS.

Is there any real info to back up the "it's about DLC" thing yet? I don't see anything on that Blue's News post that I hadn't already seen on RPS, and that message from EA was super vague. It's a reasonable working theory, but I'd like details.

SpyNavy wrote:

I will buy my EA Games retail if I have to. EA marketing laid a giant brown bomb with this idea.

As far as I understand, even buying retail will force you to use EA's Origin service. Kind of like how Steam was attached to HL2, no matter where you bought it.

There have in fact been forum posts I've seen where people bought Alice in the store and had technical problems and were told to download it from Origin. T_T Awful.

Well if this impacts me buying Battlefield 3 from Steam, I'm going to be all kinds of annoyed.

If I have to buy battlefield locally, then so be it. I will not be supporting EA and their crappy services.

NSMike wrote:
SpyNavy wrote:

I will buy my EA Games retail if I have to. EA marketing laid a giant brown bomb with this idea.

As far as I understand, even buying retail will force you to use EA's Origin service. Kind of like how Steam was attached to HL2, no matter where you bought it.

Well, according to a SWTOR Dev, that is not how the system will work for the Old Republic.

Originally Posted by Syck View Post
you're saying downloading the digital copy will not require you to play it through Origins, only download it through Origins.

That is exactly what I'm saying.

The Origin desktop application does not need to be launched to play The Old Republic.

However, if you want to purchase and download the game digitally, you'll need to do that via Origin. As you can see if you visit Origin today, purchasing a title there doesn't require you to download the Origin desktop application. You might also notice if you look hard enough that Origin ships physical products (ie boxes) as well as digital ones. Originally Posted by Syck View Post
you're saying downloading the digital copy will not require you to play it through Origins, only download it through Origins.

I'm not clear what buying retail will do. From what it sounds like they are saying, Origin will probably be required to play online games, so you get it anyway. And you already have to register with EA to play games like BFBC2, so I assume BF3 will require the same to play and use the online features like the friends lists and groups they've announced.

So what's the difference between buying from Origin, Amazon download, D2D, Gamersgate, etc., and buying through retail and getting a disc? I guess you'd cut out a bit of revenue that from EA that will go to Amazon or whatever retailer you buy from, but in the end, you're still going to have to install the Origin client if what I understand them implying is true.

The only way to really stay away from Origin is to not buy any EA titles.

Sorry, I'm playing BF3 and ME3 on PC. I just can't get that worked up.

That said, I think EA's seemingly passive aggressiveness toward Steam lately is dumb. The Dragon Age 2 preorder being kept from Steam until a day or so after the initial pre-order/free content deal expired said a lot. I really don't get how the company that publishes Valve's console ports gets that sideways with Steam, but it's happening.

Hypatian wrote:

Is there any real info to back up the "it's about DLC" thing yet? I don't see anything on that Blue's News post that I hadn't already seen on RPS, and that message from EA was super vague. It's a reasonable working theory, but I'd like details.

I wonder if the contract dispute will ever be made public. Neither entity really needs to explain it to the consumer, though of course I'd like to know.

Pikey26 wrote:

GFWL games?

Good point. I know Bioshock 2 DLC was only through GFWL, thanks to the rcent Minerva’s Den release.

The odd thing was that EA seemed to have accepted a bit of reality of the situation (dominance of Steam) in even having Crysis 2 on Steam day of launch concurrent with sales from their own dl service.

demonbox wrote:

The odd thing was that EA seemed to have accepted a bit of reality of the situation (dominance of Steam) in even having Crysis 2 on Steam day of launch concurrent with sales from their own dl service.

But IIRC, it wasn't up for preorder, or at least not for long before release.

I think the big question is how games and their DLC play with each other. If a service like Steam or GoG or Origin is just the sales and distribution end of it (not the playing end), then you could get the DLC from anywhere and be fine.

I don't have any horrible experiences with Steam or EA Download Manager or GoG, but I've been in situations where I bought BFBC2 on Amazon and then couldn't purchase the Steam DLC because I didn't buy the Steam game. If you get locked into one sales channel it can be a little frustrating as these games start to break up purchases into more and more DLC and more and more Free to Play transactions. Would I want to play League of Legends on Steam if it means none of my bought content is available and I can no longer purchase points through Riot? It just doesn't make much sense.

If we do end up in a situation where sellers like Steam and EA don't lock the content down, what are they really providing compared to the others and at what point does it become a commodity market where lowest price is the best? Currently, a lower price on EA doesn't necessarily give me the same value as a lower price on Steam since I have more games on Steam, but GOG always trumps them since those games aren't tied to anything.

I don't think EA is correctly judging the amount of sheer goodwill gamers have towards Valve, with the legendary holiday sales and awesome patching, etc. Without even reading the article, my heart automatically sides with Valve. Not saying it's fair, but there it is.

Quoting myself from the C2 thread:

Scratched wrote:

So I loaded up crysis2 again, and checked out their in game store. DLC is nothing to do with EA, it seems their responsibility is just for publishing the base game.

You can do all the DLC buying ingame, but first you've got to log onto the mycrysis site and add a card to your account. Meanwhile the 'powered by gamespy' logo is on screen, which I just ignored as I thought it was just for the multiplayer. Off I trot to the website and log in, try to add a payment and the gamespy logo is there again, with a 'terms of service' link, click it, and the Direct2Drive TOS pops up. Probably not relevant, but Direct2Drive was recently bought by Gamefly, and Gamespy is owned by IGN/News corp.

EA might be getting a bad rap they don't deserve from this.

Other distributors sell games that require Steam so I don't think Valve should be pissy about games selling DLC without going through Steam. It's going a bit too far IMO. At most I think they could require it to be an option.

Just a thought, because I have not tested it, but you can still download the game from steam if you already own it right? I have been getting a bit frustrated with how on Android when a game or program is removed from the market you cannot download it again (this happened to me with Bejeweled from EA) even though you paid for it. I am hoping that doesn't happen, or start to happen with Steam....

So, if that assertion is right, Steam is trying to abuse their position like Apple was doing, demanding a cut of all revenue generated by products sold through through their store, even though Steam was not involved in the transaction and didn't provide any network services to make it happen.

Dunno if that's true, but if it is, it's bad. It's really bad. If it turns out to be true, I will cease to purchase anything through Steam. I do not tolerate those who abuse market power like that.

Game companies seem absolutely determined to drive me out of gaming.

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