Tebow is the Eminem of the NFL

4xis.black wrote:

As far as I can tell, no one has presented a credible argument that Tebow's skin color makes him more popular with the media or the fans. It is certainly possible that it does, but you probably shouldn't just bundle that into statements about his football skills (ie: 'Tebow is not a good quarterback and only popular because he wins and he's white). As others have pointed out, no non-white QB has achieved such success in such bizarre fashion this season, so I'm not sure you can argue the skin color thing in that way.

Josh Freeman, in his first season and a half as a starter (25 games, 2009-2010), had IIRC 9 4th quarter comebacks, which included a missed Redskins XP to preserve a win (on 5th down, bu that's another rant), a freakish 40-yard, cross-field completion to a #5 WR falling out of bounds to set up a game-winning FG against Cincy, beating Green Bay in his first ever start after being down 11 in the 4th and starting as a rookie, and a number of other ludicrously implausible wins. Freeman had similar, last-minute success in 2010, and he was not a household name (I will now set myself on fire, having remembered 2011). Freeman came out of 2010 with everybody talking about his poise, his leadership, his ability to play in the clutch. Plus, he can, you know, actually throw the ball.

The argument that Tebow's skin color (and, to be fair, it's the combination of skin color and overt religious views, not just skin color) is that his popularity is driven by that. I can't imagine how there is any argument against that point of view. Many athletes have had more success than Tebow, many athletes have been religious, but none have been the perfect wet dream of PURE EVANGELICAL AWESOME that he is. I guess I would ask for a counter-argument; considering how shoddily Tebow has played, and how many other QBs have had flash-in-the-pan single-season success over the years and never received his level of attention, give me one reason why Tebow should be the media crap-storm he is other than white/evangelical. Because he's really, really bad at football.

In his rookie campaign Freeman had 4 times as many turnovers and a lower QBR. He also didn't take a losing team to the playoffs and knock off a team people were picking as a Super Bowl contender...

But that is because he isn't white?

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

5) Denver's defense was amazingly good this year. During a four-game stretch of Denver wins, Denver didn't score more than 17 points and won all four games. In those games, Vonn Miller and Elvis Dumervil had ten sacks. That defense ate other teams alive.

No. No. No. NO. NO. NO. NO.

Denver's defense has not been amazingly good at any time during this year. They played the Raiders twice without McFadden. They played the Bears without Cutler or Forte. They played Minn without Peterson (or a QB). They played the Chiefs without a QB. They played the Chargers when Rivers and the entire team was in a major funk.

Okay. They played great defense against teams that were missing one or more of the major cogs of their normal productivity -- predominately great running backs. Denver's defense could not stop the run this year. They are a below average defense with some great players to build around for the future. The only reason Tebow was able to lead late game comebacks was because the offenses of the other team was so crippled they could not do what they would have otherwise done against the Denver defense.

Not to mention the Denver run game ate some serious clock. Less scoring opportunities.

sheared wrote:

The only reason Tebow was able to lead late game comebacks was because the offenses of the other team was so crippled they could not do what they would have otherwise done against the Denver defense.

More importantly, they were, quite literally, 1 play away from losing any of those games.

4xis.black wrote:

As far as I can tell, no one has presented a credible argument that Tebow's skin color makes him more popular with the media or the fans. It is certainly possible that it does, but you probably shouldn't just bundle that into statements about his football skills (ie: 'Tebow is not a good quarterback and only popular because he wins and he's white). As others have pointed out, no non-white QB has achieved such success in such bizarre fashion this season, so I'm not sure you can argue the skin color thing in that way.

I tend to agree with this.

Tebow is a terrible quarterback. Tebow is white. Tebow is irrationally popular. This does not mean that Tebow is irrationally popular because he is white. And I don't think this is a case which can be resolved simply by comparing numbers.

The farthest point I'm willing to go is this:

Tebow is a terrible quarterback that does not deserve the adulation he is getting from the press.

Paleocon wrote:

Tebow is a terrible quarterback that does not deserve the adulation he is getting from the press.

What adulation? The coverage I've seen typically acknowledges the widely held opinion that he doesn't throw well. However, in a season where the big three teams were throw happy, Denver games gave fans something different to watch. A bunch of the games had improbable, unexpected endings. So people tuned in.

I don't doubt that religion plays a part in Tebow's fame, though I don't see that as a bad thing. If evangelicals want to see him as a role model instead of Ben Rapesberger or Tom Babby Daddy Brady, that's understandable. If Tim Tebow was running around talking about the importance of the union and worker rights and how Wall Street is a threat to America, I'd probably love the guy. People can find all kinds of reasons to root for a guy to succeed.

Funkenpants wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

Tebow is a terrible quarterback that does not deserve the adulation he is getting from the press.

What adulation? The coverage I've seen typically acknowledges the widely held opinion that he doesn't throw well. However, in a season where the big three teams were throw happy, Denver games gave fans something different to watch. A bunch of the games had improbable, unexpected endings. So people tuned in.

I don't doubt that religion plays a part in Tebow's fame, though I don't see that as a bad thing. If evangelicals want to see him as a role model instead of Ben Rapesberger or Tom Babby Daddy Brady, that's understandable. If Tim Tebow was running around talking about the importance of the union and worker rights and how Wall Street is a threat to America, I'd probably love the guy. People can find all kinds of reasons to root for a guy to succeed.

I'm not sure it's all fawning. Tebow coverage always struck me as train wreck coverage. Basically, "We can't believe a really real NFL team is starting this dude after everyone that matters has been telling people he'll never succeed at this level. OMG He's Winning?!?!? Oh the HUMANITY!!!"

Just my take.

GioClark wrote:

I'm not sure it's all fawning. Tebow coverage always struck me as train wreck coverage. Basically, "We can't believe a really real NFL team is starting this dude after everyone that matters has been telling people he'll never succeed at this level. OMG He's Winning?!?!? Oh the HUMANITY!!!"

Just my take.

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