The size debate: standards of beauty

Thanks for posting those, Edwin. I was laughing through them because those commercials are truly parodies of the beauty standards we are supposed to aspire to.

You know, after watching those videos, I'm quite glad that I'm not inundated with these messages as a male. I get some of it, but seriously, at least I can age and not put up with the same level of BS about my body.

Rubb Ed wrote:

You know, after watching those videos, I'm quite glad that I'm not inundated with these messages as a male. I get some of it, but seriously, at least I can age and not put up with the same level of BS about my body.

Now hold on just a minute... I thought you were the woman in your relationship?

Edwin wrote:

(Youtube Videos)

Thank you for reminding me of how hilarious Sarah Haskins is.

It's a shame Current TV took a dive into a sh*t pile from their original launch format.

Rubb Ed wrote:

You know, after watching those videos, I'm quite glad that I'm not inundated with these messages as a male. I get some of it, but seriously, at least I can age and not put up with the same level of BS about my body.

Unless you're balding, or can't get an erection on demand.

bandit0013 wrote:
Rubb Ed wrote:

You know, after watching those videos, I'm quite glad that I'm not inundated with these messages as a male. I get some of it, but seriously, at least I can age and not put up with the same level of BS about my body.

Unless you're balding, or can't get an erection on demand.

Really not comparable. Maybe in spirit but not even close to the quantity/intensity of the message. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a hair growth commercial. I also have absolutely no concerns about my receding hairline. Bring it on, I'll just shave it all.

Really, Rubb Ed already said that with "I get some of it." Some.

SixteenBlue wrote:
bandit0013 wrote:
Rubb Ed wrote:

You know, after watching those videos, I'm quite glad that I'm not inundated with these messages as a male. I get some of it, but seriously, at least I can age and not put up with the same level of BS about my body.

Unless you're balding, or can't get an erection on demand.

Really not comparable. Maybe in spirit but not even close to the quantity/intensity of the message. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a hair growth commercial. I also have absolutely no concerns about my receding hairline. Bring it on, I'll just shave it all.

Really, Rubb Ed already said that with "I get some of it." Some.

So you really don't see constant definitions of masculinity in ads? I'm sure you do, you probably just don't notice it as much. Note I'm not saying it's as insidious as what women face, but it's certainly happening a lot if you think about it.

ENGORGE!!!!

bandit0013 wrote:
SixteenBlue wrote:
bandit0013 wrote:
Rubb Ed wrote:

You know, after watching those videos, I'm quite glad that I'm not inundated with these messages as a male. I get some of it, but seriously, at least I can age and not put up with the same level of BS about my body.

Unless you're balding, or can't get an erection on demand.

Really not comparable. Maybe in spirit but not even close to the quantity/intensity of the message. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a hair growth commercial. I also have absolutely no concerns about my receding hairline. Bring it on, I'll just shave it all.

Really, Rubb Ed already said that with "I get some of it." Some.

So you really don't see constant definitions of masculinity in ads? I'm sure you do, you probably just don't notice it as much. Note I'm not saying it's as insidious as what women face, but it's certainly happening a lot if you think about it.

I see it, but absolutely no pun intended, it's not shoved down my throat to the same extent as it is with women. Women are bombarded at a level that men really aren't. We get maybe 50% of what they do, and what we do get, a lot of it is counteracted by entertainment. For example: how many sitcoms are there where the pudgy but funny woman gets the super-hot guy as her husband? Conversely, how many sitcoms are there where the pudgy but funny guy gets the super-hot woman as his wife?

Rubb Ed wrote:

I see it, but absolutely no pun intended, it's not shoved down my throat to the same extent as it is with women. Women are bombarded at a level that men really aren't. We get maybe 50% of what they do, and what we do get, a lot of it is counteracted by entertainment. For example: how many sitcoms are there where the pudgy but funny woman gets the super-hot guy as her husband? Conversely, how many sitcoms are there where the pudgy but funny guy gets the super-hot woman as his wife?

I think it's also worth noting that the Ideal Male Form has mass, and seems to encourage a diet nowhere near as damaging as the Ideal Female. At the very least, to be an Ideal Male you have to eat something--they call it beefcake for a reason.

LarryC wrote:

ENGORGE!!!!

Oh my, it worked!

SpacePPoliceman wrote:
Rubb Ed wrote:

I see it, but absolutely no pun intended, it's not shoved down my throat to the same extent as it is with women. Women are bombarded at a level that men really aren't. We get maybe 50% of what they do, and what we do get, a lot of it is counteracted by entertainment. For example: how many sitcoms are there where the pudgy but funny woman gets the super-hot guy as her husband? Conversely, how many sitcoms are there where the pudgy but funny guy gets the super-hot woman as his wife?

I think it's also worth noting that the Ideal Male Form has mass, and seems to encourage a diet nowhere near as damaging as the Ideal Female. At the very least, to be an Ideal Male you have to eat something--they call it beefcake for a reason.

I don't know. I think the ideal female looks like an athlete and I'm not anywhere near alone on this. I don't know anyone that thinks that a body like Kate Moss' is more attractive than the one Gillian Michaels is sporting.

Rubb Ed wrote:

For example: how many sitcoms are there where the pudgy but funny woman gets the super-hot guy as her husband? Conversely, how many sitcoms are there where the pudgy but funny guy gets the super-hot woman as his wife?

If I were guessing I'd say that has more to do with the known superficiality that men exhibit more often than women when it comes to physical appearance.

Paleocon wrote:
SpacePPoliceman wrote:
Rubb Ed wrote:

I see it, but absolutely no pun intended, it's not shoved down my throat to the same extent as it is with women. Women are bombarded at a level that men really aren't. We get maybe 50% of what they do, and what we do get, a lot of it is counteracted by entertainment. For example: how many sitcoms are there where the pudgy but funny woman gets the super-hot guy as her husband? Conversely, how many sitcoms are there where the pudgy but funny guy gets the super-hot woman as his wife?

I think it's also worth noting that the Ideal Male Form has mass, and seems to encourage a diet nowhere near as damaging as the Ideal Female. At the very least, to be an Ideal Male you have to eat something--they call it beefcake for a reason.

I don't know. I think the ideal female looks like an athlete and I'm not anywhere near alone on this. I don't know anyone that thinks that a body like Kate Moss' is more attractive than the one Gillian Michaels is sporting.

Ideal according to trash magazines and the like. Thought that was implied.

which trash magazines, the ones attacking women at the beach for being too thin and out of shape, or the ones attacking women for being too fat and out of shape?

Key point being they attack women for not being fit, which *is* the ideal female body type.

Jillian Michaels gets on quite a few covers, actually. Usually Shape or Fitness.

Paleocon wrote:
SpacePPoliceman wrote:
Rubb Ed wrote:

I see it, but absolutely no pun intended, it's not shoved down my throat to the same extent as it is with women. Women are bombarded at a level that men really aren't. We get maybe 50% of what they do, and what we do get, a lot of it is counteracted by entertainment. For example: how many sitcoms are there where the pudgy but funny woman gets the super-hot guy as her husband? Conversely, how many sitcoms are there where the pudgy but funny guy gets the super-hot woman as his wife?

I think it's also worth noting that the Ideal Male Form has mass, and seems to encourage a diet nowhere near as damaging as the Ideal Female. At the very least, to be an Ideal Male you have to eat something--they call it beefcake for a reason.

I don't know. I think the ideal female looks like an athlete and I'm not anywhere near alone on this. I don't know anyone that thinks that a body like Kate Moss' is more attractive than the one Gillian Michaels is sporting.

Even were your tastes the norm among hetero males, that norm is not the expressed norm of media.

are there established examples of underweight women shown in a positive light in the media since the early 90s? even then, I remember the deluge of negative publicity every time a papparrazzi snapped a shot of a famous person whose ribs were visible - although I do cede that "heroin chic" happened. The closest this thread has delivered has been the female actresses from The Walking Dead, who are neither underweight nor out of shape.

Maybe we're talking about two different things. It's obvious that popular media females skew less heavy than an average American female. But as clover and I pointed out, that doesn't mean media's "ideal female" is unhealthily thin.

And even the generalization above is too obtuse. Glamour modeling isn't runway modeling isn't plus size modeling isn't television acting isn't porn modeling. "Media" in 2012 is so fractured that I would go so far as to say the "ideal form" doesn't exist: or at least exists in so many contradictory niches as to hold even less meaning than BMI.

I've never understood the obsession with runway model skinniness. Way I see it, when people engage in normal eating and exercise habits, there are 2 main differences between men and women:

1. Adam's apple
2. Curves

A proper looking woman has curves in the hips and breasts that men don't have. I never understood why we'd put a stick figure woman who really has a body most equivalent to a 12 year old boy on a pedestal and call that feminine beauty...

bandit0013 wrote:

I've never understood the obsession with runway model skinniness. Way I see it, when people engage in normal eating and exercise habits, there are 2 main differences between men and women:

1. Adam's apple
2. Curves

A proper looking woman has curves in the hips and breasts that men don't have. I never understood why we'd put a stick figure woman who really has a body most equivalent to a 12 year old boy on a pedestal and call that feminine beauty...

Because of these...

IMAGE(http://images.wikia.com/forgottenrealms/images/6/66/Beholder_-_Scott_M._Fischer.jpg)

Beauty lives in their eyes...

... and the rest of the party lives in their stomach.

kinda skimming there, bandit. About 5 different people have explained the usefulness of runway models - both their frame and androgyny - several times over the last 8 pages. your conclusion is correct, though; it has nothing to do with a desire to procreate with them.

Seth wrote:

kinda skimming there, bandit. About 5 different people have explained the usefulness of runway models - both their frame and androgyny - several times over the last 8 pages. your conclusion is correct, though; it has nothing to do with a desire to procreate with them.

Yeah, I just wanted to speak on the adam's apple.

The "model law" passed in Israel . The models in commercials which target the Israeli market can't have a BMI under 18.5. The publisher also has to label pictures that were altered using software like Photoshop.

I'm too lazy to see if anyone posted this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmyxmvJBjRk

bandit0013 wrote:

I'm too lazy to see if anyone posted this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmyxmvJBjRk

That was awesome.

HOW IS THIS BULLsh*t EVEN REMOTELY ACCEPTABLE.

Thanks, popular media, for proving me wrong about how ugly you really are. I withdraw the majority of the defense I made on your behalf over the last 8 pages.

Seth wrote:

HOW IS THIS BULLsh*t EVEN REMOTELY ACCEPTABLE.

Thanks, popular media, for proving me wrong about how ugly you really are. I withdraw the majority of the defense I made on your behalf over the last 8 pages.

1200 calories a day? Um...

(it's true that one doesn't need to "eat for two" during a pregnancy -- usually an additional 300-500 calories is fine. But that would still put most women between 1500-2000 calories at least.)