NFL 2011 Divisional Playoff Round

iaintgotnopants wrote:
Ulairi wrote:

This was his first year and he won the Heisman playing quarterback.

So did Eric Crouch and Troy Smith.

Gino Torretta

Kush15 wrote:
iaintgotnopants wrote:
Ulairi wrote:

This was his first year and he won the Heisman playing quarterback.

So did Eric Crouch and Troy Smith.

Gino Torretta

Vinny Testaverde

karmajay wrote:
Kush15 wrote:
iaintgotnopants wrote:
Ulairi wrote:

This was his first year and he won the Heisman playing quarterback.

So did Eric Crouch and Troy Smith.

Gino Torretta

Vinny Testaverde

Testaverde actually had a respectable career. Heisman + QB is not good. Heisman winning QBs since Testaverde in 1986:

Andre Ware, Ty Detmer, Gino Toretta, Charlie Ward, Danny Wuerrfel, Chris Weinke, Eric Crouch, Carson Palmer, Jason White, Matt Leinart, Troy Smith, Tim Tebow, Sam Bradford, Cam Newton, Robert Griffith III.

A number of those guys weren't even drafted, and those that were have either been disappointing (to put it mildly), or are young enough they haven't made an impact yet. The only guy on that list who can say "Wow, good NFL QB" is Carson Palmer, who at least had a number of really solid years.

Charlie Ward had a decent NBA career though. 6 ppg, 4apg, 2rpg over 11 years.

sheared wrote:

I agree with everything you say. The potential I was referring to was his ability lead game winning drives. During those brief pressure situations, there was a glimmer of hope that something might be in there. The only "tight" pass I've seen him throw are the quick out passes that he threw 3-4 times (over the past 4-5 games (!)).

Understood. On most of those comebacks, though, Tebow was being the cure to his own disease. He dragged the offense down for 55 minutes, while his defense valiantly kept them in the game, and then he was productive for 5 minutes.

Next year will be key. I'd certainly put the odds at better than not that he does not make it past next year as the Denver QB. Maybe another team gives him a shot, but I hope he's willing to move to a position where he can make a more consistent impact -- maybe tight end. The Patriots and Saints have shown that it can certainly be a glamour position.

I can see Tebow as a tight end, but not like the guys on those two teams. Tebow's 235 pounds and runs a 4.72 40. Compare to Jimmy Graham, who weighs 260 pounds and runs a 4.56 40. Or GRONK, 265 pounds and a 4.65 40. Tebow doesn't have that kind of foot speed at 235 pounds, let alone 260.

That said, there are plenty of tight ends who enter the draft around 250 running a 4.8 40. Tebow can reach that bar. His QB intelligence would be an asset at tight end. But does he have the strength and will to block? That's what would impress me - if he sticks his nose in there and blocks guys 30+ pounds heavier than even his heavier TE weight, play after play.

I'm late to this thread, but I feel I should bid public farewell to my 2011 Saints. They were more fun to watch this year than perhaps ever before. Their defeat on Saturday was painful in the extreme, but I try to remind myself that most of the fan-bases across the NFL would gladly have traded me my experience as a fan this season. I also derive some comfort from the fact that the 49ers were clearly the better team—I hate the feeling when one's team loses inexplicably to what ought to be inferior opposition. Those '9ers defenders were hitting so hard it looked like pinball on the field. And at least the Saints went out in grand fashion: they helped to produce the most exciting playoff game in recent memory.

I guess now my allegiance will shift to Eli Manning's Giants; I'm bound to the Mannings since we share a high school alma mater. It has always been easier to pull for Peyton, though, since he's AFC...

I could spend all day here saying how much the Texans blew the game, and what they all did wrong, but instead I'll just put these two things:

1. Good game to the Ravens, they played the better/smarter game and they deserve to win. Good luck in the remaining games.

2. Please hand Jacoby Jones his pink slip.

That is all.

God help us, but John McClain (local Houston sportswriter with same name as Die hard hero, yes) was saying he expects Jacoby Jones to be back next year.