NFL 2011 Divisional Playoff Round

LeapingGnome wrote:

Has GM + Coach ever worked well for anyone? I can't remember any good examples. Both seem like more than full time jobs, I don't see how one person could do both well.

Holmgren did okay at both in Seattle, but the head office did the right thing by firing him from the GM job after the 2002 season. In his first year at both jobs (1998) he took the 'hawks to the playoffs for the first time in a decade. That's got to count for something.

boogle wrote:
Fedaykin98 wrote:

So, this is probably obvious, but tboon, you used to be Nightmare, right?

Yup. Same dude. Changed his name after he stopped drinking.

Or was it after I started drinking more?

Paleocon wrote:
LeapingGnome wrote:

Has GM + Coach ever worked well for anyone? I can't remember any good examples. Both seem like more than full time jobs, I don't see how one person could do both well.

Holmgren did okay at both in Seattle, but the head office did the right thing by firing him from the GM job after the 2002 season. In his first year at both jobs (1998) he took the 'hawks to the playoffs for the first time in a decade. That's got to count for something.

Jimmy Johnson was GM/Coach of the Cowboys, was he not?

bighoppa wrote:
Paleocon wrote:
LeapingGnome wrote:

Has GM + Coach ever worked well for anyone? I can't remember any good examples. Both seem like more than full time jobs, I don't see how one person could do both well.

Holmgren did okay at both in Seattle, but the head office did the right thing by firing him from the GM job after the 2002 season. In his first year at both jobs (1998) he took the 'hawks to the playoffs for the first time in a decade. That's got to count for something.

Jimmy Johnson was GM/Coach of the Cowboys, was he not?

different era.. pre-salary cap

bighoppa wrote:
Paleocon wrote:
LeapingGnome wrote:

Has GM + Coach ever worked well for anyone? I can't remember any good examples. Both seem like more than full time jobs, I don't see how one person could do both well.

Holmgren did okay at both in Seattle, but the head office did the right thing by firing him from the GM job after the 2002 season. In his first year at both jobs (1998) he took the 'hawks to the playoffs for the first time in a decade. That's got to count for something.

Jimmy Johnson was GM/Coach of the Cowboys, was he not?

Bill Belichick?

Holmgren did okay at both in Seattle, but the head office did the right thing by firing him from the GM job after the 2002 season. In his first year at both jobs (1998) he took the 'hawks to the playoffs for the first time in a decade. That's got to count for something.

Agreed on both counts - as GM, Holmgren brought in an unproven 6th round pick out of Green Bay named Matt Hasselbeck, stuck with him through growing pains and ultimately built the basis on which a dominant super bowl team was built. The team was correct in firing him as GM in 2002 as he was suffering from severe burnout. Unfortunately, they brought in guys like Ruskell who were able to coast on Holmgren's solid drafting until the wheels fell off the big guys and their midget corners/linebackers were exposed.

Wow.

LeapingGnome wrote:

Has GM + Coach ever worked well for anyone? I can't remember any good examples. Both seem like more than full time jobs, I don't see how one person could do both well.

Well, Vince Lombardi. But in the modern era, it's harder to pick some out.

And it's a hard question to answer because there have been varying degrees of success by coaches who have blurred the line between coach and GM, although weren't necessarily GM in name or entirely in practice.

Bill Belichick has straddled the border between coach and personnel manager, though he's always had someone else in the GM/GM-ish role (Scott Pioli, Nick Caserio).

The Steelers coaches - Chuck Noll, Bill Cowher, Mike Tomlin - all won Super Bowls with nobody in the franchise bearing the GM title (although Tomlin now has one above him, Kevin Colbert). But they too weren't exactly coach + GM. They've had directors of football operations (like Tom Donahoe) who played a role similar to a GM. That power line wasn't well defined and an alleged power struggle contributed to Donahoe leaving the Steelers.

Even if there's no "GM", there's always a director of player personnel or some other similar title. It's rare that one person is both coach and the absolute head of player personnel at the same time.

It's hard to point to someone who was successful as a coach & GM the way Tom Coughlin served those roles in Jacksonville. Bill Parcells was in that role with the Jets, and rebuilt them after the Kotite era, so that counts for something, but no championships there.

I think a strong "architect" GM is an essential piece of the puzzle. Ron Wolf, Carmen Policy, Ted Thompson, Bill Polian, guys like that. I'm not a fan of the coach/GM role as one person.

Rat Boy wrote:

Daaaaaaaaaaw.

This is why I am annoyed by anything Tebow. AHHHHHHH I can't take it anymore!!

I would be the happiest man ever if it's Giant's V Broncos in the bowl and have the Giants win. That would be so satisfying. Then again I would have to hear Tebow talk for two weeks...

TempestBlayze wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:

Daaaaaaaaaaw.

This is why I am annoyed by anything Tebow. AHHHHHHH I can't take it anymore!!

I would be the happiest man ever if it's Giant's V Broncos in the bowl and have the Giants win. That would be so satisfying. Then again I would have to hear Tebow talk for two weeks...

after the big game...you would have to endure an entire offseason of how tebow was so close...he'll win it all next year, because in april, every broncos draft pick comes with their own angel wings. Plus Jesus is going to play safety for Denver next season too...

TempestBlayze wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:

Daaaaaaaaaaw.

This is why I am annoyed by anything Tebow. AHHHHHHH I can't take it anymore!!

I would be the happiest man ever if it's Giant's V Broncos in the bowl and have the Giants win. That would be so satisfying. Then again I would have to hear Tebow talk for two weeks...

As a Denver and an Eli fan.. I'd take that.

Okay, I am now emotionally ready to make my picks:

Saints
Broncos
TEXANS!
Packers

Fun stat that may not have been mentioned here: The Patriots have not won a game against a team with a winning record. Which may not mean anything other than an easy schedule, but those Broncos have clawed and scratched and dug deep to get this far.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Okay, I am now emotionally ready to make my picks:

Saints
Broncos
TEXANS!
Packers

Fun stat that may not have been mentioned here: The Patriots have not won a game against a team with that ended up with a winning record. Which may not mean anything other than an easy schedule, but those Broncos have clawed and scratched and dug deep to get this far.

Fixed that for you. The Patriots were the team that started the downward spiral for the Broncos (8:5 at the time).

Edit: Looking at the stats it is pretty crazy that there are 6 teams the Patriots played that ended up at .500. They took two from the Jets who were included in that group.

Mel Tucker staying with the Jaguars. Yay.

Mularkey bringing in Bob Bratkowski (his QB coach in Atlanta) to be Jags OC. Zero surprise there. Mularkey said he's not going to be calling plays in Jacksonville, so of course the OC is going to be the guy that was right beneath him in Atlanta. Bratkowski was the Bengals coordinator during Carson Palmer's productive years.

*Legion* wrote:

Mel Tucker staying with the Jaguars. Yay.

Mularkey bringing in Bob Bratkowski (his QB coach in Atlanta) to be Jags OC. Zero surprise there. Mularkey said he's not going to be calling plays in Jacksonville, so of course the OC is going to be the guy that was right beneath him in Atlanta. Bratkowski was the Bengals coordinator during Carson Palmer's productive years.

Now all they need is an offense.

Been a long week. I think I'm ready. Despite my joking with Jayhawker, I just have to go with my gut.

49ers. My team for my whole life, and it's been so damn long since we've been in the playoffs. If anybody can stop the Saints offense, it's a Harbaugh.

Giants. Seems crazy. But they're hot. And a little healthier than they were last time. And the only team left that isn't bothered by cold and outdoor football.

Ravens. Time for defense to start winning some games.

Broncos. Another rematch. Denver seems to be playing well. And the Pats seem to be on a playoff losing streak ever since "spygate".

The parody to end all parodies. I swear Fallon is a genius.

Fisher goes to the Rams. Enjoy your vanilla offense and prevent defense when your up by 7.

Saints vs 49ers: Gotta go with the Saints because of the experience in the playoffs and the firepower they have.

Packers vs Giants: This was probably the toughest one for me to pick because the Giants are on fire right now. Only thing is, the Pack has been on fire all season.

Broncos vs Patriots: Although I'll be rooting for Tebow and the Broncos, I think the Patriots will win this one.

Texans vs Ravens: Being a Texans fan, I'll be choosing my team on this one, but I know this will be a TOUGH game to win at Baltimore since they're undefeated at home.

garion333 wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

Mel Tucker staying with the Jaguars. Yay.

Mularkey bringing in Bob Bratkowski (his QB coach in Atlanta) to be Jags OC. Zero surprise there. Mularkey said he's not going to be calling plays in Jacksonville, so of course the OC is going to be the guy that was right beneath him in Atlanta. Bratkowski was the Bengals coordinator during Carson Palmer's productive years.

Now all they need is an offense.

Well, it's on Mularkey and Bratkowski to develop Gabbert, and Gene Smith has to go draft/sign someone for him to throw the ball to.

And at least one more offensive tackle so that we never, ever see Guy Whimper in the game again. (In case anyone thinks I was overstating how bad Whimper was during the season, the numbers are in, and he led the NFL in sacks allowed for all linemen - made all the more impressive by the fact that the Jaguars were 29th in pass attempts. Whimper made his chances count.) If Eben Britton is going to be a chronic injury case (our very own Jeff Otah), then it's time to bring someone else in and at least have a competition going at right tackle. Undrafted rookie Cameron Bradfield did well in limited time, maybe he's the answer with some more experience. Whatever it is, it can't be Whimper.

Saints vs 49ers
Packers vs Giants
Broncos vs Patriots
Texans vs Ravens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD6B1...

so I dont know how to put videos in the post, so follow this link for a really funny video about last weeks wildcard game (Broncos/Steelers)

ZellbrigeN26 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD6B1...

so I dont know how to put videos in the post, so follow this link for a really funny video about last weeks wildcard game (Broncos/Steelers)

Take the spaces out and it'll embed.

ah...awesome...thank you

Fox's pregame show referred to Mike McCoy as Tebow's Offensive Coordinator. Not Denver's. Tebow's. It was even written on the screen that way.

Ugh.

Boomer was the only one to pick the 49ers this morning on Espn. Ditka was the only one to pick the Broncos.

First 49ers playoff in 9 years and I'm sitting in an airport to fly home for my grandma's funeral. Guess there are more important things in life than some silly game. Guess I'll catch the highlights. And I'm sure Rat Boy is cheering hard enough for both of us.

Enjoy the game. And call your grandparents, if you have them.

Weather.com has SF at 53 degrees with a 5mph wind from the North. If the wind were up in the 10-15mph range, I would give the 49ers a better than average chance at the upset. They're already playing on grass, so that should slow down the passing game a little. But I don't think it will be enough to make the difference.