NCAA Football 2012 Season Catch-All

Teams shouldn't complain when they win but Cal's 50-31 win over Div 1AA Southern Utah was a joke. Cal was constantly shooting itself in the foot with turnovers and stupid penalties in the 1st half. Only Southern Utah's general offensive incompetence kept us ahead while we were handing the ball to them and moving backwards. One of the most frustrating (yet oh so typical Cal), to end the half SUU threw up a hail mary, and we got called for PI. On the final, untimed play of the, guess what.. hail mary, Touchdown Utah. Our O-Line which we knew was our weakness going in was getting pushed around by the Thunderbirds (did you know that's Southern Utah's mascot?). Our Defensive, esp the secondary is a complete joke. We seem to be more vulnerable on 3rd and 10 than any other down and distance.. so much so that most of us in my section just thought opposing teams should take a knee on 1st and 2nd down because its almost a guaranteed first down on 3rd and long. Our QB play is pathetic. Zach Maynard makes horrible decisions and can't make basic outlet throws, and his backup has shown even less promise. All of this added up to only a 20-17 lead by Cal over this horrible team at the end of 3 quarters.

In the 4th quarter we finally figured it out with a pick-6, a punt return for TD and a few long TDs by our playmakers, making the score look a lot better for Cal than the game really was.

Still even in the end after we had the game in hand, our defense couldn't stop the desperation plays of Southern Utah and they were able to march straight down and score garbage TD's. I know in the pro's that happens all the time and it doesn't really matter, but in College there are still style points and seeing no heart on the D in the waning moments of the game is really disappointing.

Anyways enough rambling from me. It could be worse.. we could be Colorado. Next two weeks should prove to be very painful as we go to Columbus and then to USC in 2 games I expect us to be 14-20 point dogs. if we're less than 20 point dogs in either of those games bet the house on the home team. Being a glutton for punishment, I'll actually be travelling to both games.. if I survive garbage and batteries being thrown at me maybe I'll post a few thoughts after those blowouts.

Coolbeans wrote:

We might lose to Bama because they just look very solid. Don't see us losing to anyone else though. My gut tells me we'll be playing for another BCS championship...

So if LSU doesn't beat Alabama, who does? And since Alabama would have the tiebreaker if both teams have 1 loss, I should be asking which two (non-LSU) teams do? Not the Arkansas we saw yesterday. Nor Auburn. MS State looked decent but maybe Auburn is just that bad. Haven't seen TN yet so maybe? I'm not going to go through the whole schedule; I'm not yet ready to pencil us into the BCS... but I am going to ask my question again. If not LSU, who beats Bama this season?

Grumpicus wrote:
Coolbeans wrote:

We might lose to Bama because they just look very solid. Don't see us losing to anyone else though. My gut tells me we'll be playing for another BCS championship...

So if LSU doesn't beat Alabama, who does? And since Alabama would have the tiebreaker if both teams have 1 loss, I should be asking which two (non-LSU) teams do? Not the Arkansas we saw yesterday. Nor Auburn. MS State looked decent but maybe Auburn is just that bad. Haven't seen TN yet so maybe? I'm not going to go through the whole schedule; I'm not yet ready to pencil us into the BCS... but I am going to ask my question again. If not LSU, who beats Bama this season?

TN is legit this year. The run game isn't great but if Bray stays healthy he's a monster. He's also got two really good targets in Cordelle Patterson and Justin Hunter. Plus come on man it's the SEC almost any of the teams besides Vanderbilt and Kentucky can knock anyone off any other team on any given Saturday.

Gumbie wrote:

Plus come on man it's the SEC almost any of the teams besides Vanderbilt and Kentucky can knock anyone off any other team on any given Saturday.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with this statement. I just figure that LSU has the best shot; and if they can't do it, was wondering who has the second best chance? Even if it is TN, that's not an SEC West loss so it doesn't hurt us as bad and we'd still have the head-to-head with LSU. Since Coolbeans was suggesting an LSU vs. FSU BCS game, they'd have to go through Atlanta to get there and for that to happen, they'd have to win the West while still (in his hypothetical scenario) losing to Alabama. I just don't see it happening. (Now them winning the West by beating Alabama is certainly a possibility.)

Grumpicus wrote:
Gumbie wrote:

Plus come on man it's the SEC almost any of the teams besides Vanderbilt and Kentucky can knock anyone off any other team on any given Saturday.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with this statement. I just figure that LSU has the best shot; and if they can't do it, was wondering who has the second best chance? Even if it is TN, that's not an SEC West loss so it doesn't hurt us as bad and we'd still have the head-to-head with LSU. Since Coolbeans was suggesting an LSU vs. FSU BCS game, they'd have to go through Atlanta to get there and for that to happen, they'd have to win the West while still (in his hypothetical scenario) losing to Alabama. I just don't see it happening. (Now them winning the West by beating Alabama is certainly a possibility.)

Think back to last year. The roles were reversed. Alabama made it to the national title game without even making it to their conference championship! They weren't even the best team in their division!

I think Missouri has a realistic shot as they play in Missouri. And I'm not saying we won't beat them, I'm just admitting it's a good chance they could beat us. One thing in our favor is it is a Saturday night game in Baton Rouge where we have been almost unbeatable.

We'll see.

Grumpicus wrote:
Coolbeans wrote:

We might lose to Bama because they just look very solid. Don't see us losing to anyone else though. My gut tells me we'll be playing for another BCS championship...

So if LSU doesn't beat Alabama, who does? And since Alabama would have the tiebreaker if both teams have 1 loss, I should be asking which two (non-LSU) teams do? Not the Arkansas we saw yesterday. Nor Auburn. MS State looked decent but maybe Auburn is just that bad. Haven't seen TN yet so maybe? I'm not going to go through the whole schedule; I'm not yet ready to pencil us into the BCS... but I am going to ask my question again. If not LSU, who beats Bama this season?

Do not confuse him with logic, Grump. He's just here to puff out his chest as if he's on the team, and to let us know that LSU is full of virginal candystripers who show deference and love to visiting fans.

I feel like I lost a loved one. Obviously the current staff needs to be fired. Eighth ranked team should not lose a home game to ULM. Injury to our QB didn't help. Time to reevaluate the entire program. Hopefully we'll bring in a big name in December. I wrote off the season tonight. If the hogs win 6 games I'll be amazed. I've been through the pit before. We'll see what happens.

Hogs still beat LSU!

Coolbeans wrote:
Grumpicus wrote:
Gumbie wrote:

Plus come on man it's the SEC almost any of the teams besides Vanderbilt and Kentucky can knock anyone off any other team on any given Saturday.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with this statement. I just figure that LSU has the best shot; and if they can't do it, was wondering who has the second best chance? Even if it is TN, that's not an SEC West loss so it doesn't hurt us as bad and we'd still have the head-to-head with LSU. Since Coolbeans was suggesting an LSU vs. FSU BCS game, they'd have to go through Atlanta to get there and for that to happen, they'd have to win the West while still (in his hypothetical scenario) losing to Alabama. I just don't see it happening. (Now them winning the West by beating Alabama is certainly a possibility.)

Think back to last year. The roles were reversed. Alabama made it to the national title game without even making it to their conference championship! They weren't even the best team in their division!

Ah, but the difference there is that both teams were from the SEC (West). Alabama went in as the #2 (though that's certainly not how they came out of it). I'd say that that scenario (two SEC teams in the BCS) is much more likely than (again, in this hypothetical universe of the future) LSU going to the BCS against FSU without winning the SEC. Which, to reiterate, is certainly possible, but much harder if they don't beat Alabama.

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Summing up one last time (because, really, this is getting silly). You said...

Coolbeans wrote:

We might lose to Bama because they just look very solid. Don't see us losing to anyone else though. My gut tells me we'll be playing for another BCS championship...

To which I responded...

Grumpicus wrote:

So if LSU doesn't beat Alabama, who does? And since Alabama would have the tiebreaker if both teams have 1 loss, I should be asking which two (non-LSU) teams do?

My point was that if Alabama beats LSU then they're quite likely to win the SEC West, go to the SEC Championship game, and if they win, go on to the BCS. If LSU loses, they'd need Alabama to get beat by two other teams in order for LSU to get to Atlanta (assuming, as you said, no other LSU losses). Now I think November 3rd could go either way so I'm not crowning anyone here but, IMHO, if Alabama is good enough to beat LSU at home, then they should be good enough to run the table. (Again, this is the SEC and on any given weekend...) And even if they don't run the table, a one-loss Alabama goes to Atlanta over a one-loss LSU in this scenario.

It's certainly possible (though unlikely) that we get a repeat of last season, except with the roles reversed, but if there's only one SEC team in the BCS game, I guarantee it's the SEC Champ.

Maybe John L was too busy filing for bankruptcy to prepare his team for UL-M this week.

Stele wrote:

Maybe John L was too busy filing for bankruptcy to prepare his team for UL-M this week. :(

I heard about that sometime in July. What can I say? The man is an absolute joke and thinking about it makes me sick to my stomach.

My expectation's are reset, hopefully we'll bring in someone that's capable in December and start the rebuilding. Kudos to UL-M's QB as well, he played a hell of a game.

Before you even think of it, you can't have Charlie. He's CardStrong. :Cool:

Wow, congrats to ULM. Considering how bad Auburn has looked, ULM has a great chance of beating them as well. What did they manage? 5 of 6 fourth down conversions or something like that - and we're not talking 4th and 1 here! I do think Arkansas dropping from 8th to unranked was a bit harsh. I would have expected something around 20th instead.

I'm not convinced Alabama is all it's hyped up to be so far. I saw quite a few problems vs WKU this weekend (6 sacks? C'mon!). Saban needs to whip that team into shape before they deserve that number 1 ranking in my book. Unless Arkansas manages a U-Turn, next week's game could be a bit of a let-down.

I think the SEC title game is likely to be Alabama/LSU vs Georgia, actually. Seemed like Georgia was still somewhere off on a beach for more than a half of football, but once they woke up, they showed me something.

As an aside - I had to do a double-take when I saw Penn State's kicker's name. Put that into google translate, and set it to German -> English if you don't know why. I'd hate to be him after so many missed kicks.

Fedaykin98 wrote:
Grumpicus wrote:
Coolbeans wrote:

We might lose to Bama because they just look very solid. Don't see us losing to anyone else though. My gut tells me we'll be playing for another BCS championship...

So if LSU doesn't beat Alabama, who does? And since Alabama would have the tiebreaker if both teams have 1 loss, I should be asking which two (non-LSU) teams do? Not the Arkansas we saw yesterday. Nor Auburn. MS State looked decent but maybe Auburn is just that bad. Haven't seen TN yet so maybe? I'm not going to go through the whole schedule; I'm not yet ready to pencil us into the BCS... but I am going to ask my question again. If not LSU, who beats Bama this season?

Do not confuse him with logic, Grump. He's just here to puff out his chest as if he's on the team, and to let us know that LSU is full of virginal candystripers who show deference and love to visiting fans. ;)

Haters gonna hate. So I guess me supporting my team is "puffing out my chest as if I'm on the team" while you, have have been MUCH more vocal in your support of Hogs football is as innocent as a newborn lamb. Pot-kettle-black much? I guess that whole "reality" thing just isn't for you is it?

Remember last season when we suggested an SEC only thread?

My many lifetime posts/verbal utterances/passing thoughts in support of the Hogs (one) have made me a hypocrite indeed.

Stele wrote:

Remember last season when we suggested an SEC only thread? :D

Would be appropriate since every other school is apparently in the FBS-AA.

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That image is hilarious, DSG.

FWIW around these parts, people believe USC is the real deal, and that Oregon will challenge them as well.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

That image is hilarious, DSG.

FWIW around these parts, people believe USC is the real deal, and that Oregon will challenge them as well.

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No one's gonna confuse Nashville with Houston except for Bud Adams.

AUs_TBirD wrote:

Wow, congrats to ULM. Considering how bad Auburn has looked, ULM has a great chance of beating them as well. What did they manage? 5 of 6 fourth down conversions or something like that - and we're not talking 4th and 1 here! I do think Arkansas dropping from 8th to unranked was a bit harsh. I would have expected something around 20th instead.

I'm not convinced Alabama is all it's hyped up to be so far. I saw quite a few problems vs WKU this weekend (6 sacks? C'mon!). Saban needs to whip that team into shape before they deserve that number 1 ranking in my book. Unless Arkansas manages a U-Turn, next week's game could be a bit of a let-down.

I think the SEC title game is likely to be Alabama/LSU vs Georgia, actually. Seemed like Georgia was still somewhere off on a beach for more than a half of football, but once they woke up, they showed me something.

As an aside - I had to do a double-take when I saw Penn State's kicker's name. Put that into google translate, and set it to German -> English if you don't know why. I'd hate to be him after so many missed kicks.

Alabama is the real deal and I hope they hold the score to under 50 this weekend. LSU's good too,but I just can't stand them. Auburn looked bad against another SEC team so the future's a bit brighter on the Plains. You'll handle UL-M simply because Chizik can point to last weeks game and hopefully motivate those guys. Georgia will probably play in the SECCG, but I feel Tennessee might make it interesting.

Stele wrote:

Remember last season when we suggested an SEC only thread? :D

Aside from a few of posters (Stele, Jayhawker, Carlbear, Ego man, and a few others) no one, outside the SEC fans, seems to be interested in in talking about their team(s) or games.

Stele
Jayhawker
me
Carlbear
DSGamer....yep, no one talking about any other conference.

It's possible the general tone here keeps other folks away.
I offer the NFL threads as evidence. These threads have many more posts. I also think they have better discussion. I'll also note the tone in those threads is significantly lighter. I understand correlation is not causation, but it's something worth considering.
As an anecdote, I feel a little put off by the general SEC vs The World arguments here and choose not to post here as often.

NCAA football is dead for me for at least the next four years.

However, I will say that if you can't win your conference, you do not deserve to play for the national championship regardless how "good" your conference.

i38warhawk wrote:
AUs_TBirD wrote:

Wow, congrats to ULM. Considering how bad Auburn has looked, ULM has a great chance of beating them as well. What did they manage? 5 of 6 fourth down conversions or something like that - and we're not talking 4th and 1 here! I do think Arkansas dropping from 8th to unranked was a bit harsh. I would have expected something around 20th instead.

I'm not convinced Alabama is all it's hyped up to be so far. I saw quite a few problems vs WKU this weekend (6 sacks? C'mon!). Saban needs to whip that team into shape before they deserve that number 1 ranking in my book. Unless Arkansas manages a U-Turn, next week's game could be a bit of a let-down.

I think the SEC title game is likely to be Alabama/LSU vs Georgia, actually. Seemed like Georgia was still somewhere off on a beach for more than a half of football, but once they woke up, they showed me something.

As an aside - I had to do a double-take when I saw Penn State's kicker's name. Put that into google translate, and set it to German -> English if you don't know why. I'd hate to be him after so many missed kicks.

Alabama is the real deal and I hope they hold the score to under 50 this weekend. LSU's good too,but I just can't stand them. Auburn looked bad against another SEC team so the future's a bit brighter on the Plains. You'll handle UL-M simply because Chizik can point to last weeks game and hopefully motivate those guys. Georgia will probably play in the SECCG, but I feel Tennessee might make it interesting.

Stele wrote:

Remember last season when we suggested an SEC only thread? :D

Aside from a few of posters (Stele, Jayhawker, Carlbear, Ego man, and a few others) no one, outside the SEC fans, seems to be interested in in talking about their team(s) or games.

I will gladly talk about my Noles when we get around to playing a Varsity team.

Phishposer wrote:

It's possible the general tone here keeps other folks away.
I offer the NFL threads as evidence. These threads have many more posts. I also think they have better discussion. I'll also note the tone in those threads is significantly lighter. I understand correlation is not causation, but it's something worth considering.
As an anecdote, I feel a little put off by the general SEC vs The World arguments here and choose not to post here as often.

You are right that the tone of this thread is nowhere near as good as the NFL threads, my own posts included.

Would folks be willing to join in a gentlemanly agreement to try to improve the tone here and, in general, try to support one's own team rather than denigrate others? We can call it the Phishposer Compact.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Would folks be willing to join in a gentlemanly agreement to try to improve the tone here and, in general, try to support one's own team rather than denigrate others? We can call it the Phishposer Compact. ;)

Listen, jerk, why don't you SHUT your stupid FACE

I personally love to hate on SEC teams. As much as we dislike it, college football seems to spawn more passion from a lot of fans.

Anyway, glad FSU and USF won thus weekend although Usf is going to lose a bunch this year due to qb play.

Clemson is looking good. Cant wait for fsu vs. Clemson!

Also, why the fudge would the ncaa sign a 7 year deal for the new 4 game series without even trying it for a year or two?

Fedaykin98 wrote:
Phishposer wrote:

It's possible the general tone here keeps other folks away.
I offer the NFL threads as evidence. These threads have many more posts. I also think they have better discussion. I'll also note the tone in those threads is significantly lighter. I understand correlation is not causation, but it's something worth considering.
As an anecdote, I feel a little put off by the general SEC vs The World arguments here and choose not to post here as often.

You are right that the tone of this thread is nowhere near as good as the NFL threads, my own posts included.

Would folks be willing to join in a gentlemanly agreement to try to improve the tone here and, in general, try to support one's own team rather than denigrate others? We can call it the Phishposer Compact. ;)

I understand where this is coming from. But there are a couple points I think are relevant to this.

#1 - The BCS itself is controversial from the jump. I think part of the reason you see less heated discussions in the NFL thread is because they have a playoff. Teams that finish 9-7 can go to the playoffs and if they're peaking at the right time they can win the championship, kind of like Alabama did last year. Alabama's run to the title was a version of this except that they didn't play their way into the championship and other teams were excluded that looked as good on paper. That's always going to frustrate fans.

#2 - SEC fans... well... you could show some perspective. You've had the title for 6 years now. That's a dynasty by modern football standards, but over the course of football history it really isn't. I guarantee most NCAA football threads would be much more civil if SEC fans recognized that their 6 year run isn't a proper sample for the entirety of NCAA football history. It's amazing, but there are proud schools in the Big 10, Pac 12, etc. that basically get dumped on because they didn't win the title the last 6 years, throwing out the rest of their history. That tends to make civil discussions kind of difficult.

#3 - West coast fans (pointing the finger back on myself on this one) need to recognize that as long as polls voted on by sports writers are part of the equation there is always going to be a disparity. West coast games are less likely to be seen than games played in the southeast or east coast. That's a fact. Crying about it does no good. The days of BYU being able to win a title by going undefeated or Washington getting a share of the national title with 1 loss are over. You have to really get people's attention. It's a fact of life.

#4 - West coast fans also need to realize that they have, for most of their history, largely played a different style of football. A style of football that doesn't match up well with huge linemen that come from the south and midwest. See Oregon vs. Auburn for a perfect example.

So yeah, I agree that we either need a separate SEC thread or a truce. But there are reasons why this gets heated. Many of these things are facts of life and are never going away.

The most recent round of SEC talk was not started by an SEC person, by the way. Actually, has there been any "SEC" talk by any SEC fan this year?

There are obnoxious SEC fans all over talk radio down here, who are satirized daily, but if there are examples in this thread, I don't recall them. I think all the SEC fans have just been hyping their own teams so far this season - apart from the debate about the hospitaility of various fanbases, which has nothing to do with "SEC vs the world".

I actually think the SEC vs world talk has been brought in from external conversations people have had, or things they've heard on TV, etc.