XCOM: Enemy Unknown - Strategy Game - Developed by Firaxis

Malor wrote:
Do patches cost much money on Steam?

According to Valve's own site, they're free.

Randomman wrote:
Hey Tkyl I know it's really late to make any changes but...is it possible to slip in a facebook/twitter message spammer into the game for whenever one of our soldiers die? Maybe in a patch or two? Please? I need my revenge for all those years of farmville spamming.

Why didn't I think of this? This is the best suggestion I have heard yet.

To up the ante, maybe every time we save and close the game, we can send invites through facebook to get people to buy the game :evil grin:

No, but it's a consideration as it should be for all games that are available on both platforms.

Keithustus wrote:
Malor wrote:
Do patches cost much money on Steam?

TheHipGamer wrote:
... Tim Schafer notes that Microsoft charges $40,000 per patch in an interview transcribed here.

This is why L4D and L4D2 on X360 are borked. Don't fall into the trap of buying XCOM on X360 or you'll likely suffer the same.

XBLA games having major cost implications for patches does not translate to AAA titles released from major partners having the same issues. That differs from the DLC model, which does incur certain costs; Cold Stream (which is what you are referring to?) was free on the PC, and cost a couple of bucks on the 360.

Go with whatever platform you like, but it's somewhat disingenuous to claim that buying XCOM for the 360 is a "trap".

TheHipGamer wrote:
Malor wrote:
Do patches cost much money on Steam?

Patching costs the developer money on the console services (PSN, XBLA, etc.), presumably as a disincentive to release buggy games. For example, Tim Schafer notes that Microsoft charges $40,000 per patch in an interview transcribed here.

My understanding is that Steam is better than the competition in that regard. I've never seen a dev complaining about an arbitrary patching fee -- is there a source for the claim somewhere?


I was talking about the fabric patches dudes.

Tamren wrote:
TheHipGamer wrote:
Malor wrote:
Do patches cost much money on Steam?

Patching costs the developer money on the console services (PSN, XBLA, etc.), presumably as a disincentive to release buggy games. For example, Tim Schafer notes that Microsoft charges $40,000 per patch in an interview transcribed here.

My understanding is that Steam is better than the competition in that regard. I've never seen a dev complaining about an arbitrary patching fee -- is there a source for the claim somewhere?


I was talking about the fabric patches dudes.

Your twill-and-nylon meat space confuses me.

They're playing the 360 version for those of you wanting to see what that looks like in wonderful Youtube compression.

BlackSabre wrote:
I had the same issue with the Torchlight 2 pre-load. I think it's just steam and pre-loads.

Did your issue get resolved on it's own or did you have to do something?

I will be waiting on pins and needles for all your impressions and criticisms. :le sigh: :shakes fists at Steam:

TheHipGamer wrote:
XBLA games having major cost implications for patches does not translate to AAA titles released from major partners having the same issues. That differs from the DLC model, which does incur certain costs; Cold Stream (which is what you are referring to?) was free on the PC, and cost a couple of bucks on the 360.

Go with whatever platform you like, but it's somewhat disingenuous to claim that buying XCOM for the 360 is a "trap".

Hi, first, I'm talking about AAA titles released from major partners, not XBLA titles.

No, I'm not referring to DLC. I'm talking about patches. For any Valve game, they like to release patches quite frequently, often multiple in a month. Orange Box, Left 4 Dead, and Left 4 Dead 2 did NOT get those patches on time on X360, if at all. What Valve does is, because each patch on MS costs $40k, is to decide which ones to add to the console versions, wait until there are many accumulated patches and/or when there is DLC coming out, then release them all together. What this means is that exploit-fixing patches don't get added for months or years, and some game modes may never be available. There still isn't Team Versus in X360 L4D1, for example.

Because Firaxis, like Valve, is mostly a PC developer, I'm going to assume that they will get treated by MS similarly to Valve, which means bug fixes coming months too late, extra content maybe coming out every year or two, and not being free. So take your chances on X360 if you want.

So the reviews are coming in. Here's the Metacritic site (that has links to the individual reviews.) Currently with 10 reviews, the game is at a 91.

Keithustus wrote:
TheHipGamer wrote:
XBLA games having major cost implications for patches does not translate to AAA titles released from major partners having the same issues. That differs from the DLC model, which does incur certain costs; Cold Stream (which is what you are referring to?) was free on the PC, and cost a couple of bucks on the 360.

Go with whatever platform you like, but it's somewhat disingenuous to claim that buying XCOM for the 360 is a "trap".

Hi, first, I'm talking about AAA titles released from major partners, not XBLA titles.

No, I'm not referring to DLC. I'm talking about patches. For any Valve game, they like to release patches quite frequently, often multiple in a month. Orange Box, Left 4 Dead, and Left 4 Dead 2 did NOT get those patches on time on X360, if at all. What Valve does is, because each patch on MS costs $40k, is to decide which ones to add to the console versions, wait until there are many accumulated patches and/or when there is DLC coming out, then release them all together. What this means is that exploit-fixing patches don't get added for months or years, and some game modes may never be available. There still isn't Team Versus in X360 L4D1, for example.

Because Firaxis, like Valve, is mostly a PC developer, I'm going to assume that they will get treated by MS similarly to Valve, which means bug fixes coming months too late, extra content maybe coming out every year or two, and not being free. So take your chances on X360 if you want.


All of which is negotiable, though. It's not set in stone. These are contractual things, which are always negotiable.

And the reason that Valve didn't update TF2 on the 360 isn't because of cost. Valve could stomach the cost. It's because MS won't allow gigabyte patches.

Have this pre-ordered for Xbox. Looking forward to allt he Day One excitement and chatter.

I order from amazon with one day delivery to get it on release day, but not the estimated delivery day is Wednesday. this happen to anyone else?

MannishBoy wrote:

They're playing the 360 version for those of you wanting to see what that looks like in wonderful Youtube compression.

I'm sorry but since when is almost an hour a "quick look"?!

:p

IUMogg wrote:
I order from amazon with one day delivery to get it on release day, but not the estimated delivery day is Wednesday. this happen to anyone else?

For some reason, my free 2-day shipping estimates delivery time on Friday and it didn't even give me the option of release date delivery when I placed my order. So I'm gonna pretend like I'm in Europe.

Duoae wrote:
I'm sorry but since when is almost an hour a "quick look"?!

:p

I think you must be unfamiliar with the web site www.giantbomb.com . It's a thing they do.

MannishBoy wrote:
Duoae wrote:
I'm sorry but since when is almost an hour a "quick look"?!

:p

I think you must be unfamiliar with the web site www.giantbomb.com . It's a thing they do. :)

My name is Dogo.... apparently nothing is familiar to me!

Slacker1913 wrote:
IUMogg wrote:
I order from amazon with one day delivery to get it on release day, but not the estimated delivery day is Wednesday. this happen to anyone else?

For some reason, my free 2-day shipping estimates delivery time on Friday and it didn't even give me the option of release date delivery when I placed my order. So I'm gonna pretend like I'm in Europe.

The silver spoons are on the left and don't forget to wear a monocle.

Just read the rock paper shotgun interview and the fact that he played 50 hours and wants to play more is a real good sign. A few weak points, which some can hopefully modded out, but overall it sounds great can't wait to play.

Keithustus wrote:
No, I'm not referring to DLC. I'm talking about patches. For any Valve game, they like to release patches quite frequently, often multiple in a month. Orange Box, Left 4 Dead, and Left 4 Dead 2 did NOT get those patches on time on X360, if at all. What Valve does is, because each patch on MS costs $40k, is to decide which ones to add to the console versions, wait until there are many accumulated patches and/or when there is DLC coming out, then release them all together. What this means is that exploit-fixing patches don't get added for months or years, and some game modes may never be available. There still isn't Team Versus in X360 L4D1, for example.

Because Firaxis, like Valve, is mostly a PC developer, I'm going to assume that they will get treated by MS similarly to Valve, which means bug fixes coming months too late, extra content maybe coming out every year or two, and not being free. So take your chances on X360 if you want.

Since we don't work for Valve, we aren't privy to their contracts, so this is all just conjecture. Navel-gazing about Valve's contracts, costs, and motivations doesn't make a console version purchase of XCOM a trap.

IUMogg wrote:
I order from amazon with one day delivery to get it on release day, but not the estimated delivery day is Wednesday. this happen to anyone else?

Yes, that seems to have happened to me, as well. That's annoying.

Tkyl wrote:
So the reviews are coming in. Here's the Metacritic site (that has links to the individual reviews.) Currently with 10 reviews, the game is at a 91.

Some French web site that I never heard of just gave it a 70. Burn the heretics!!!

Greg wrote:
Tkyl wrote:
So the reviews are coming in. Here's the Metacritic site (that has links to the individual reviews.) Currently with 10 reviews, the game is at a 91.

Some French web site that I never heard of just gave it a 70. Burn the heretics!!!

The French version of responding to an alien invasion might not be too interesting

MisterStatic wrote:
Greg wrote:
Tkyl wrote:
So the reviews are coming in. Here's the Metacritic site (that has links to the individual reviews.) Currently with 10 reviews, the game is at a 91.

Some French web site that I never heard of just gave it a 70. Burn the heretics!!!

The French version of responding to an alien invasion might not be too interesting ;-)

Yeah, let's see if I respond to a terror mission in France!

MisterStatic wrote:
Greg wrote:
Tkyl wrote:
So the reviews are coming in. Here's the Metacritic site (that has links to the individual reviews.) Currently with 10 reviews, the game is at a 91.

Some French web site that I never heard of just gave it a 70. Burn the heretics!!!

The French version of responding to an alien invasion might not be too interesting ;-)

So tired of this stereotype! It's an acceptable military tactic to surrender rather than fight to the death in an un-winnable situation... I know it's an easy joke but, come on... it's ALWAYS made. :/

Spoiler:
And I'm not even French!!

XCOM video delayed thanks for Youtube verification snafu. Uploading now! Should be less than an hour from now.

Duoae wrote:
MisterStatic wrote:
Greg wrote:
Tkyl wrote:
So the reviews are coming in. Here's the Metacritic site (that has links to the individual reviews.) Currently with 10 reviews, the game is at a 91.

Some French web site that I never heard of just gave it a 70. Burn the heretics!!!

The French version of responding to an alien invasion might not be too interesting ;-)

So tired of this stereotype! It's an acceptable military tactic to surrender rather than fight to the death in an un-winnable situation... I know it's an easy joke but, come on... it's ALWAYS made. :/

Spoiler:
And I'm not even French!!

:)

Might as well just give up.

TheHipGamer wrote:
IUMogg wrote:
I order from amazon with one day delivery to get it on release day, but not the estimated delivery day is Wednesday. this happen to anyone else?

Yes, that seems to have happened to me, as well. That's annoying.

It's strange. I've ordered many games from them and always get them on release day. i'm hoping they are just covering their ass and the i still get it tomorrow. They are also still offering the get it on release day if you order it now, which is weird.

Aaron D. wrote:
Armed & Dangerous

Man, I miss that game.