Kim Jong Il is dead

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I agree with DSGamer's assertion that the only way to stop this conflict is Jackie Chan.

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That picture is both baffling and hilarious.

LobsterMobster wrote:
I agree with DSGamer's assertion that the only way to stop this conflict is Jackie Chan.

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That picture is both baffling and hilarious.

I got it from a friend. I'm pretty sure he got it from 4Chan or something.

DSGamer wrote:
LobsterMobster wrote:
I agree with DSGamer's assertion that the only way to stop this conflict is Jackie Chan.

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That picture is both baffling and hilarious.

I got it from a friend. I'm pretty sure he got it from 4Chan or something.

Jackie 4Chan?

LobsterMobster wrote:
DSGamer wrote:
LobsterMobster wrote:
I agree with DSGamer's assertion that the only way to stop this conflict is Jackie Chan.

Spoiler:
That picture is both baffling and hilarious.

I got it from a friend. I'm pretty sure he got it from 4Chan or something.

Jackie 4Chan? :D

Too soon!

Here is some interesting insight into just how nuts the cult of personality is. Glowing carvings, mourning cranes, cracking ice... Apparently nature loves a dictator.

When Whoopi Goldberg and some of the OWS crowd talking about how "great" Communism is, I just cringe. The Kim family being worshiped by thousands of brainwashed starving peasants is probably the best example of why communism is full of suck and lose. The American system isn't perfect and needs a lot of reform. But North Korea is a waking nightmare.

PS - The picture of the Korean peninsula at night was interesting. Back in '93 I was stationed with the Army along the Korean DMZ. You'd go out on patrols in the mountains and looking south you could see the lights of South Korea. Look north and it was total blackness. I used to call it "looking into Mordor."

jdzappa wrote:
When Whoopi Goldberg and some of the OWS crowd talking about how "great" Communism is, I just cringe. The Kim family being worshiped by thousands of brainwashed starving peasants is probably the best example of why communism is full of suck and lose. The American system isn't perfect and needs a lot of reform. But North Korea is a waking nightmare.

I don't know: I think using N. Korea as an example of Communism is like using the French Revolution as an example of transitioning to democracy.

Goldberg is talking about big-C Communism, and you can definitely make the argument that she's wrong about that.

North Korea is little-c communism, which means an oppressive dictatorship that tacks "The People's" on everything.

I think it's naive to think that North Korea is in such bad shape merely because it calls itself "communist," even if the closest it comes to communism in terms of policy is that every citizen gets the same handouts from the government (which is to say, virtually nothing). Its official name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea and it's clearly not Democratic either.

North Korea is messed up because it has a long tradition of being run by a psychopath with a god complex. There is no political or social system in which that turns out well for the common man.

CheezePavilion wrote:
jdzappa wrote:
When Whoopi Goldberg and some of the OWS crowd talking about how "great" Communism is, I just cringe. The Kim family being worshiped by thousands of brainwashed starving peasants is probably the best example of why communism is full of suck and lose. The American system isn't perfect and needs a lot of reform. But North Korea is a waking nightmare.

I don't know: I think using N. Korea as an example of Communism is like using the French Revolution as an example of transitioning to democracy.

Well in all fairness, North Korea isn't the worst example of a Communist state, while the French Revolution is probably the worst example of a democracy went wrong.

While it may be a de facto dictatorship, a big reason why the North Korean people put up with so much abuse is because of Communist ideals. They are brainwashed into thinking that prosperity is right around the corner, they just need to hold on until the evil capitalists can be defeated and the peninsula reunited.

jdzappa wrote:
CheezePavilion wrote:
jdzappa wrote:
When Whoopi Goldberg and some of the OWS crowd talking about how "great" Communism is, I just cringe. The Kim family being worshiped by thousands of brainwashed starving peasants is probably the best example of why communism is full of suck and lose. The American system isn't perfect and needs a lot of reform. But North Korea is a waking nightmare.

I don't know: I think using N. Korea as an example of Communism is like using the French Revolution as an example of transitioning to democracy.

Well in all fairness, North Korea isn't the worst example of a Communist state, while the French Revolution is probably the worst example of a democracy went wrong.

While it may be a de facto dictatorship, a big reason why the North Korean people put up with so much abuse is because of Communist ideals. They are brainwashed into thinking that prosperity is right around the corner, they just need to hold on until the evil capitalists can be defeated and the peninsula reunited.

So the problem isn't Communism, it's *communist ideals* being used to brainwash people.

jdzappa wrote:
Well in all fairness, North Korea isn't the worst example of a Communist state

Whoa. What is then?

Quintin_Stone wrote:
jdzappa wrote:
Well in all fairness, North Korea isn't the worst example of a Communist state

Whoa. What is then?

Khmer Rouge Cambodia.

Not a statement, but a guess.

DSGamer wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:
jdzappa wrote:
Well in all fairness, North Korea isn't the worst example of a Communist state

Whoa. What is then?

Khmer Rouge Cambodia.

Not a statement, but a guess.

Both were/are repressive enough regimes to where you'll never know the total death count. I think you could say both would be in competition with each other for "worst".

Quintin_Stone wrote:
jdzappa wrote:
Well in all fairness, North Korea isn't the worst example of a Communist state

Whoa. What is then?

Cambridge, Massachusetts.

jdzappa wrote:
While it may be a de facto dictatorship oligarchy, a big reason why the North Korean American people put up with so much abuse is because of Communist Calvinist ideals. They are brainwashed into thinking that prosperity is right around the corner, they just need to hold on until the evil job-creating capitalists can be defeated supported and the peninsula Christian values reunited reestablished.

It's like MadLibs!

sorry, couldn't resist.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
DSGamer wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:
jdzappa wrote:
Well in all fairness, North Korea isn't the worst example of a Communist state

Whoa. What is then?

Khmer Rouge Cambodia.

Not a statement, but a guess.

Both were/are repressive enough regimes to where you'll never know the total death count. I think you could say both would be in competition with each other for "worst".


Oh yeah, they were monsters.

Actually, if we're going by body count, Mao is going to win handily, followed by Stalin. Or are we talking total percentage of the population? Not sure what our ranking system is here.

H.P. Lovesauce wrote:
jdzappa wrote:
While it may be a de facto dictatorship oligarchy, a big reason why the North Korean American people put up with so much abuse is because of Communist Calvinist ideals. They are brainwashed into thinking that prosperity is right around the corner, they just need to hold on until the evil job-creating capitalists can be defeated supported and the peninsula Christian values reunited reestablished.

It's like MadLibs!

sorry, couldn't resist.

That's funny but the current problems that America is facing are nothing close to what North Koreans are facing. Yes, Americans are really struggling, and we have it worse than a number of other First World nations. But North Koreans by and large don't have 1950s technology, much less the Internet. Control of their daily lives is absolute, and the famine in recent years has been so bad that defectors have described their fellow countrymen reverting to cannibalism.

I'd be really curious how much of the whole communism thing really plays into the loyalty to the ruling party. I would think that the far more significant motivator would be the demonstrable threat of annihilation from a foreign power. Considering the facts that we backed folks who collaborated with the Japanese and their mobile rape factories and napalmed the living bejeebus out of anyone who opposed them, there is a non-trivial amount of legitimacy to that historical argument.

As I mentioned above, none of that excuses the actions of the Kim family, but it most certainly does explain the reason ordinary North Koreans aren't terribly enthused to simply open the doors to Americans.

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I don't think communism alone can be blamed for DPRK's current situation--it was also Kim Il Sung's decision to implement Juche, the philosophy/ideology of self-reliance, that turned it into an isolated state that would accept almost no help from any outsider. China took a different path, kinda more like a mutating virus if you will, where it would be happy to adopt the ideas of others, tweak them slightly so we could pretend they are our own and assimilate them into our DNA (first with the Soviets, now with the US).

Also, anyone who suggests Stalin killed more of his own people than I did, consider my glove thrown at thy feet, scoundrel.

oilypenguin wrote:
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Why is Kim Jong Batman fighting Trogdor the Burninator?

Strewth wrote:
oilypenguin wrote:
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Why is Kim Jong Batman fighting Trogdor the Burninator?

I think it had something to do with his new car and a bent tail pipe

Paleocon wrote:
As I mentioned above, none of that excuses the actions of the Kim family, but it most certainly does explain the reason ordinary North Koreans aren't terribly enthused to simply open the doors to Americans.

In the history they're taught Americans started the Korean war...

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Strewth wrote:
Why is Kim Jong Batman fighting Trogdor the Burninator?

I'm not sure that arm is beefy enough for Trogdor. And those Vs? NOT CONSUMMATE!

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OG_slinger wrote:
Paleocon wrote:
As I mentioned above, none of that excuses the actions of the Kim family, but it most certainly does explain the reason ordinary North Koreans aren't terribly enthused to simply open the doors to Americans.

In the history they're taught Americans started the Korean war...

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X-MEN!

LobsterMobster wrote:
Here is some interesting insight into just how nuts the cult of personality is. Glowing carvings, mourning cranes, cracking ice... Apparently nature loves a dictator.

Nature abhors a power vacuum.