Path of Exile catch-all

I know. And in the last year, I've started to get more into Roguelikes, too. It's a feast of good niche games for good niche gamers.

It is a crazy good time for ARPG's. I'm almost glad Diablo opened the door with their RMAH disaster. I don't know that these other games wouldn't exist without that, but I think a lot of the more mainstream players looked elsewhere because of that debacle, to the benefit of fans of the genre.

Localgod54 wrote:

It is a crazy good time for ARPG's. I'm almost glad Diablo opened the door with their RMAH disaster. I don't know that these other games wouldn't exist without that, but I think a lot of the more mainstream players looked elsewhere because of that debacle, to the benefit of fans of the genre.

I could care less about RMAH. D3 had become dated and the play loop no longer enticing for me. The rinse/repeat of the seasons was exceptionally boring and made the other ARPGs on the market more enticing. They were already out there and thriving.

Yep. I've made a crusade of posting about various ARPGs in the other threads, just to spread the goodness around.

I think my point was more for the casual player who was just grabbing the new diablo title when it came out because that's what they knew. I know we have ARPG evangelists here, and that's great.

I'm not a big fan of seasons either, but all these games are doing that now in some form or another. It's great to have choices and we have so many now.

I think seasons are a great way to vary mechanics in a game. But I also think that PoE does so much more with them; Diablo seems to me to always try to go for the least possible change. It's like they are trying to stretch their creativity out over years or something.

Robear wrote:

I think seasons are a great way to vary mechanics in a game. But I also think that PoE does so much more with them; Diablo seems to me to always try to go for the least possible change. It's like they are trying to stretch their creativity out over years or something.

I think that's very fair. I've only participated in one PoE season, so I'm far from an expert, but I liked how they made it a melee heavy season by tweaking some things, and the legion node things were a pretty cool touch as well. I really enjoyed playing farther through the game than I had managed to that point.

Diablo definitely seems to go for the minimum. (And diablo 3 has no real incentive to reroll a character of the same class other than for seasons, since all respecs are free at any time).

Don't get me wrong, I still play many seasons on Diablo. I just find PoE to be a lot more challenging and creative.

Im back on a PoE kick again and man the Necromancer is crazy good this go round. I like the Blight mechanic a lot, but I may go back to standard since I have all the cool toys for a good Zombiemancer in my Stash.

I need some advice on how to get higher level maps. My summoner has blown through tier 11 with ease and I haven't had any higher level maps drop. Suggestions? Also I'm looking for some efficient training jewels and Queens Escape is anyone has any on standard. This build will be my league starter next go around but I didn't see any real reason to keep on Blight league with the new one coming soon. Although I was crushing it, so I may dabble now that my standard Summoner is level 90. Highest ever for me.

The PoE 2 announce definitely inspired me to return to PoE (on console) for a hot couple weeks. I find myself bouncing off again because while I love controller support, reading so much loot text on the TV takes its toll.

I'm REALLY hoping GGG takes a cue from Blizzard's approach to D4 and offers native controller support for PoE2.

Can you do loot filters on console? I'm guessing not...?

If you haven't run a summoner in the past. I highly recommend Zombiemancer 2.0 and/or the build using Queens Escape. Pretty cheap and a decent league starter build. Not sure I'd recommend SSF since it relies on a couple of unique for the end game, but you can blitz through the campaign with a Tabula. I was stunned at how powerful it was. Going to be my league starter in a few days.

If yer looking to re-attempt PoE and have never really experienced endgame, next season, starting in a week or so, should be an optimal time with a total revamp of endgame so everyone's gonna be learning the redone endgame mechanics together. Along with some cool new features and the archery / ranged totem overhaul, should be some serious fun to be had.

I've been playing a bit of D3 just to see where it's at and there's just nothing really to it. It's soo....basic and simple I went to endgame in 3 hours (takes me 12 hours or so in PoE cause i'm not a super fast player, i'm just "smart-efficient" about how i play end game which is how i make the currency i do and get so strong.

I'm a "smart-efficient" not "click-efficient" type of player.

But i still got to 70 and rifting torment in 3 hours in D3 season. At around 20 hours in i'm over 500 paragon, Torment XVI anything and running GR80+ The RNG to get any further upgrades is stupid at this point. My whole crusader set is pretty decently rolled ancients with an optimal ancient weapon. At this point it's jus tliterally grinding and not cool equipment hunting to progress unless the luck gods grant a perfect primal which is like winning the lotto.

Anyhow, this d3 thing has it's appear, there are players and streamers that just love it, and i get it, iv'e watched some of the streamers, but it gets really painful when someone asks them about Path of Exile and they're a diablo dedicated streamer and they start talking about PoE because oh god...they do NOT understand anything about Path of Exile.

I'm gonna hit up this next PoE league with an archer or totem ranged attack build and see how it goes!

I am seeing if I can actually finish this season in D3, since I like the SpinBarb so much. But Fuzzball hits the difference between the two games well. D3 is simple, straightforward, and scales up to give it legs. The Achievements really drive their seasons, and once you get them to the point you want, you can repeat on another character class.

Path of Exile is designed to be challenging and much more complex. There is lots of differentiation between character archetypes, and even small build differences can yield large differences in play. There is a 3-way balance between gear, skill gems and traits, and learning to line them up properly to get D3-like synergies can take years if you do it on your own (like I did), or months if you decide to follow builds (like I eventually did). What you can do in 10-20 hours in D3 can be achieved by rote directions in PoE in maybe twice the time, but any other path will take longer and give you a much more interesting mental workout in the process. If you like to get buried in synergies and choices and build subtleties, PoE is your game. If you want to start whacking undead and hit endgame in a few hours, D3 is your indulgence. Both have their place and their strong points.

Fuzzballx wrote:

If yer looking to re-attempt PoE and have never really experienced endgame, next season, starting in a week or so, should be an optimal time with a total revamp of endgame so everyone's gonna be learning the redone endgame mechanics together. Along with some cool new features and the archery / ranged totem overhaul, should be some serious fun to be had.

I've been playing a bit of D3 just to see where it's at and there's just nothing really to it. It's soo....basic and simple I went to endgame in 3 hours (takes me 12 hours or so in PoE cause i'm not a super fast player, i'm just "smart-efficient" about how i play end game which is how i make the currency i do and get so strong.

I'm a "smart-efficient" not "click-efficient" type of player.

But i still got to 70 and rifting torment in 3 hours in D3 season. At around 20 hours in i'm over 500 paragon, Torment XVI anything and running GR80+ The RNG to get any further upgrades is stupid at this point. My whole crusader set is pretty decently rolled ancients with an optimal ancient weapon. At this point it's jus tliterally grinding and not cool equipment hunting to progress unless the luck gods grant a perfect primal which is like winning the lotto.

Anyhow, this d3 thing has it's appear, there are players and streamers that just love it, and i get it, iv'e watched some of the streamers, but it gets really painful when someone asks them about Path of Exile and they're a diablo dedicated streamer and they start talking about PoE because oh god...they do NOT understand anything about Path of Exile.

I'm gonna hit up this next PoE league with an archer or totem ranged attack build and see how it goes!

You should post your smart efficient strategy if be interested in reading it. I'm going to keep my Zombiemancer to start the league I think.

Apologies in advance for a long and possibly scatterbrained post but this, to me, really is more of an art than a science and i'm just trying to give an overview of how i try to play as quick as i can (while being super slow compared to the fast streamers) and yet play smarter than the average bear to end up with what is not amazing compared to streamers, but insane compared to the average pleb, wealth each league.

Fuzzball'x overview of a PoE strategy for starting a new league:

1: I don't do starter builds, cause i'm not a no life streamer. I also hate restarting things, sometimes i'll do a 2nd build late in a league if i have tons of currency and see something really cool.

2: I have sometimes made my own build. I am capable of it. But, for simplicity sake i pick a build a lot of times from the forums. I have 3 criteria: Most important: Must look cool as hell in action. 2nd most important: Must scale well into mid-end game withOUT ANY expensive gear. Need to be able to obliterate yellow maps 50 chaos or less. Most real builds can do this. Specialty builds requiring expensive uniques or 6 linked uniques cannot. Must smite all yellow maps on a 5 link rare armor. Thirdly: Must tickle my fancy.

Ok, now for the actual strategy, the above is just my personal bullsh*t.

I get through the campaign as fast as i can but i'm slow. As soon as i find a very usable leveling item i don't need i setup a sale tab set to all items cost 1 alchemy and chuck it in there. Chuck all usable leveling gear into it that i'd pay an alc for if i really needed it.

I follow this to help myself skip unnecessary steps in the campaign since i've done it so many times, i don't need to see it again, for me the game starts being fun when i start mapping.
https://www.poe-vault.com/guides/qui...

Around act 6/7, create a new. tab all. items 1 chaos, repeat above.

Start mapping: Create a new QUAD tab, all items 2 chaos, repeat above (vendor all items in 1 alc tab and delist the tab. It's no longer worth taking the time to trade for 1 alc once mapping.

Around level 80, delete 1 chaos tab, vendor all items, no longer worth going to hideout for 1 chaos sales, i Guarantee if you do it, you would have got an exalted orb drop while you were selling items for 1 chaos isntead. You can't prove me wrong.

Create a all items sell for x price tab. Start listing things for more that seem or definitely are worth more. If they don't sell in 30 minutes, drop the price several chaos at a time (on a sliding scale based on how high you started). If an item appears to be worth 20chaos on the market, sell it for 15 to 17, don't try for 20. Quick sales, get the chaos fast, buy better gear sooner. I'd rather 15 chaos now than 20 tomorrow cause in an hour today i'll sell enough to buy better gear to make more money faster and by tomorrow that 5c extra is silly cause i'm stronger and faster and made more money.

Around level 90, set 2 chaos tab to cost 3 chaos instead (they need to pay me more to get my time now) If you sell an item for 2 chaos at this point, i can guarantee you would have gotten a drop worth 2 exalt while taking the time to trade for a measily 2 chaos. Again, you can't disprove that

If it aint selling, drop the damn price and do it quicker than not (30 minutes to an hour is more than enough time before dropping 10c off something you listed for 50c. You need to sell it, not hoard it. Drop it 10c at a time till it sells, sell it today.

Use a loot filter. When you START mapping, use a semi-strict filter. When you're on red maps you should be using a STRICT filter. You should customize this filter with filterblade.xyz because you are not a no life streamer. You actually need armor scraps and blacksmith stones, but yea, seriously, you DONT need to pick up scrolls one at a time after you picked up 500+ portal scrolls already. Enough already, when you run out buy more...it's so much faster to buy 1000 portal scrolls than pick them up (cause in the time you can pick up 1000 scrolls i can farm way more pure currency drops than they cost.

Never go back to town in the middle of a map unless you have a full inventory of sh*t that is definitely worth vendoring quickly like you have 4x 6socket items and something unique you can sell for some chaos. Fill one inventory of the best possibilities as you go through the map, check it at the end.

More than 2 minutes between maps = a poor man

Alc maps and go. If you roll a reflect and can't do it, trash it unless it's red, then sell it.

When buying common items such as low level specific maps or cheap or common uniques do not waste time sending messages to tons of people. Set your search, your max buyout price in chaos and click live search. When a new entry pops up, message that one. Items linger on the trade sites longer than they should at the start of seasons but when it first hits you have good odds.

When buying, message, give 15 seconds for an invite, if you don't get one, message the next. If they don't send you an invite in 15 seconds, they sold the item or are idiots who don't really care about the sale. Do not repeat message the same person or wait longer than 15 seconds. Likewise, unless you're getting a ton of tells, just ignore it when someone asks to buy an item you've already sold. Not responding in 15 seconds means they know you already sold it or are AFK. It's not rude, it's just nobody has time to respond to 15 tells cause the trade system is slow at league start.

Inference from the above. Once a day, de-list your 2c / 3c tabs and then re-list them 30 minutes later. Refreshes your sales. I've literally sold items by raising the price of an entire tab 1c and refreshing the listing time. I once got 4 sales in a couple minutes by doing that on items that'd been listed for over a week at a cheaper price.

End game progression guideline:

Do not go straight for uber gear. Spend 3 to 10c an item to get "good" gear. Use that to farm faster and then earn enough to great gear. Your first goal at mapping is to get gear for 2-3 chaos a slot that caps all your resists, gives you 5 links (tabula is not worth it imho, usually a 5 link with stats on it is way better for you overall).

Zizaran has some good, now a bit older, guides on youtube on efficient gameplay, but the reality is, if you want' to progress, it's about making a lot of quick smaller sales early on and using that to incrementally improve yourself to make more slightly better sales. But, it's not all about making sales, it's also about drops. You have to balance efficiency of getting drops of currency and uniques of value with picking up and IDing and selling possibly valuable rares. You will very rarely get the great rares to make a lot of money off of. It's much more common to get a card drop or unique or nice currency drop than to get a rare item you can sell for a lot. This is why we don't pick up a lot of rares, just a few each map. That's not to say we don't use great rare items and don't buy them, the reality is we let other people pick up and ID millions of rare items while we get wealthier than them by IDing less, then we spend some of our wealth buying their rare items.

5 guys play slower and ID thousands of rares. I play faster and ID very few rares comparatively. 2 weeks into league i get (by proccing my rng as much as possible) a few nice drops to make some exalts worth of currency. I buy one item from each of the 5 guys and now i have the best rare drop from each of 5 people while i've spent my time gaining in power and leveling myself and my gems. Efficiency. Those other 5 guys each have a little of my currency i earned in the time they all spent IDing yellow items.

Yes folks, Path of Exile is that kind of game. It teaches real world economics. The smarter more efficient people get rich and powerful on the backs of slow moving plodding grinders.

I play with other people who play as fast as me at times, but they don't quite run the end game trading game as efficiently as i do and i always end up far richer than them.

However, I am but a mid level manager in this scheme. There are people who make mirrors in the first week or buy headhunter on day 2 cause they play this trading game in ways i can't begin to fathom or compare to and they put in the time i just don't have or want to devote early in the league.

I do not stress about this through. I am happy to contribute to someone making a mirror by buying slightly inefficiently if in turn that gives me the efficiency to make money off of those slower than me.

All about efficiency and finding how efficient you can and want to be while enjoying the game your way still. If you WANT to progress to a really powerful character with really awesome gear, you need to achieve some efficiency early on in league like me.

The best time in league to buy gear is 1 to 3 weeks in. In week 2 of league you can buy, for example, boots or gloves for 50 to 120 chaos that will cost 4 exalts+ in week 5 to 6. I have a theory on why this is, but it's not well thought out and probably doesn't make a lot of sense. My theory though is it has to do with the difference between really casual players and more efficient players and there being a range of efficient players and a range of casuals but with a wide gulf separating the two so that in week 1 to 3 point you have a LOT of gear supply of REALLY good gear but not enough players with enough money to achieve whatever the lowest buy prices are people are willing to accept for what they know is REALLY good gear so things are selling cheaper cause the plebs don't have the cash and the wealthy are already past this stage. But that's when i take my earnings from being a smart but slower starter and end up buying great gear for 100c to an exalt, which later in the league i can't find upgrades for for less than 10 to 15 exalts.... My theory could be completely wrong, but somehow it always ends up true that between day 7 and 21ish, i buy amazing gear and achieve my end game power levels for 5 to 6 times less than that gear will sell for 2 to 3 weeks later.

I'll leave you all with a video from the mastery of efficiency who i learned from, but i freely admit i don't copy him fully. He's a full time player and streamer, i'm not. I found my balance between him and how i used to play and it's paid off for me insanely.

Yoji trips me out. I enjoy his videos, thanks for the breakdown.

What builds are you guys playing in 3.9? I'm leaning toward ice crash with this build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/vi...

Doing ice shot. I havn't done a real archer since pre 2.0 days. Off to the races.

I'm going to do a bladestorm build. I've never done pure melee other than cyclone.

Going to Zombiemancer again I think and you with a bow build. Might do the arc witch as well. See how the drops go.

are the new bow support gems in or is that later?

mindset.threat wrote:

What builds are you guys playing in 3.9? I'm leaning toward ice crash with this build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/vi...

I'm using this build. I used the same build in 3.8 and was able to complete 24 challenges and get the portal (or at least I think it was 24). It's a bit slow going at first but definitely is a fun build once it gets going.

ranalin wrote:

are the new bow support gems in or is that later?

They're in.

I've just been building an ice shot for now myself, but my single target skill is Ice Shot with barrage support.

Also, been playin at PoE Fashion Show some since running my first 10 maps this evening.

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I started a Frostbolt Totems Hierophant but it didn't really grab me (too slow for my liking), so now I'm starting up a Galvanic Arrow Deadeye. This one.

I like! There's several other builds i can switch to as ranger if ice shot doesn't pan out long term for me like i'm hoping.

I'm definitely killing slower into white maps than i'm used to but i understand lots of people are! The new hit point and mob defense rules are quite a change!

I kind of like the "design your own monster" game this new season.

Robear wrote:

I kind of like the "design your own monster" game this new season. :-)

It seems glitchy.

At the start i had maxed out all slots but could never find a liver. I cleared the starting area twice now with the same result. I just closed out to come back later to see if it gets fixed.