SOPA / Internet Censorship Bill (HR 3261)

The Goverment's seizure of Megaupload has me seriously questioning the value of any cloud backup/storage/SaaS. If the government can shut down these sites enmass and seize any and all data legitimate or not what cost do I risk putting my businesses data in the cloud?

Just make sure you don't put it in a .com, .net, or .org, and present law should make it hard for them to seize the data. SOPA would change that completely, however, which is yet another reason to fight that legislation tooth and nail.

TheGameguru wrote:

The Goverment's seizure of Megaupload has me seriously questioning the value of any cloud backup/storage/SaaS. If the government can shut down these sites enmass and seize any and all data legitimate or not what cost do I risk putting my businesses data in the cloud?

It really does. There are a lot of risks involved with "cloud services" already - this is just another on the pile.

There were a lot of non-infringing users of Megaupload, and now that stuff is just... gone.

gore wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

The Goverment's seizure of Megaupload has me seriously questioning the value of any cloud backup/storage/SaaS. If the government can shut down these sites enmass and seize any and all data legitimate or not what cost do I risk putting my businesses data in the cloud?

It really does. There are a lot of risks involved with "cloud services" already - this is just another on the pile.

There were a lot of non-infringing users of Megaupload, and now that stuff is just... gone.

When cloud first came around this was my first thought. What made companies ignore the possibility?

Malor wrote:

Just make sure you don't put it in a .com, .net, or .org, and present law should make it hard for them to seize the data. SOPA would change that completely, however, which is yet another reason to fight that legislation tooth and nail.

Does the US gov have control over those domains and not others?

Filesonic and some other services that are commonly used for sharing pirated material have panicked and shut their services down to the level that only the account holder can access their own uploaded files now. The Megaupload business has these people running scared, I guess.

spider_j wrote:

Filesonic and some other services that are commonly used for sharing pirated material have panicked and shut their services down to the level that only the account holder can access their own uploaded files now. The Megaupload business has these people running scared, I guess.

That seems like a reasonable solution for legitimate cloud services.

Does the US gov have control over those domains and not others?

Yes, a 2008 law gives them significant seizure power over domain names in .com. .net, and .org. And they inherently have it in .us.

gregrampage wrote:
spider_j wrote:

Filesonic and some other services that are commonly used for sharing pirated material have panicked and shut their services down to the level that only the account holder can access their own uploaded files now. The Megaupload business has these people running scared, I guess.

That seems like a reasonable solution for legitimate cloud services.

Except creating CC licensed work and making it available for anyone for free is a legitimate cloud service.

Mixolyde wrote:
gregrampage wrote:
spider_j wrote:

Filesonic and some other services that are commonly used for sharing pirated material have panicked and shut their services down to the level that only the account holder can access their own uploaded files now. The Megaupload business has these people running scared, I guess.

That seems like a reasonable solution for legitimate cloud services.

Except creating CC licensed work and making it available for anyone for free is a legitimate cloud service.

Yeah, I wasn't really thinking...

Use the sarc mark!

Malor wrote:
Does the US gov have control over those domains and not others?

Yes, a 2008 law gives them significant seizure power over domain names in .com. .net, and .org. And they inherently have it in .us.

Time to invest in Backup.xxx. I'm sure nobody will assume that's all porn downloaded from elsewhere on the internet.

wordsmythe wrote:
Malor wrote:
Does the US gov have control over those domains and not others?

Yes, a 2008 law gives them significant seizure power over domain names in .com. .net, and .org. And they inherently have it in .us.

Time to invest in Backup.xxx. I'm sure nobody will assume that's all porn downloaded from elsewhere on the internet.

Okay, I'm on a site where this is a big issue......except, instead of talking about what will be affected by SOPA/PIPA; they are all running their mouths about the end of the internet, socializing, and the end of the free flow of information. They are stating that Science will be affected since they won't be able to cite works from journals, therefore paralyzing any attempts at new research. Not to mention that any quote used would land you in hot water, therefore people will have to watch what they say/type....etc, etc.

What should I really tell them about SOPA and stop the outbreak of mass hysteria?

It goes against most of what I've always said, but maybe SOPA/PIPA needs some mass hysterians. It's a dirty trick, but also tempting, given the success of death panel screamers removing end of life counseling from the ACA.

Michikodesu wrote:

Okay, I'm on a site where this is a big issue......except, instead of talking about what will be affected by SOPA/PIPA; they are all running their mouths about the end of the internet, socializing, and the end of the free flow of information. They are stating that Science will be affected since they won't be able to cite works from journals, therefore paralyzing any attempts at new research. Not to mention that any quote used would land you in hot water, therefore people will have to watch what they say/type....etc, etc.

What should I really tell them about SOPA and stop the outbreak of mass hysteria?

That it's important to realize the danger, but it's at least as important to do something about it.

Who is nervous about DropBox? Right now we (my various companies) rely on it a ton for sharing documents with different companies and outside people.. I'm fairly sure that while its not as easy to share files with complete strangers.. that there is a good chunk of illegal content right now sitting on DropBox servers.

TheGameguru wrote:

Who is nervous about DropBox? Right now we (my various companies) rely on it a ton for sharing documents with different companies and outside people.. I'm fairly sure that while its not as easy to share files with complete strangers.. that there is a good chunk of illegal content right now sitting on DropBox servers.

I suppose it depends on how successful MegaUpload's attorneys are in their "youtube chewbacca" defence.

Off-topic.. I love this Kim Dotcom guy.. he by all stereotypical appearances looks/acts like a mafioso gangster type.. has this enormous house with all sorts of toys and guns.. and generally just seem to be living the "dream"

Good for him.

TheGameguru wrote:

Who is nervous about DropBox? Right now we (my various companies) rely on it a ton for sharing documents with different companies and outside people.. I'm fairly sure that while its not as easy to share files with complete strangers.. that there is a good chunk of illegal content right now sitting on DropBox servers.

I'm not all that nervous. The government seems to focus on the big names and, in piracy terms, MegaUpload is so much bigger than DropBox. I figure it'll be like torrent site where they seem so focused on The Pirate Bay, for some reason.

The way I'd see being nervous about Dropbox is to recognise it shutting down (by whatever means) is a risk to how you operate, and to have a backup plan so you can just say "That sucks.... Okay, here's what we're doing now". It's outside your control, so treat it as such.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around someone using any 3rd party service like that ever for a mission critical function without some sort of secondary option available in case of failure/outage even without this new governmental sword of Damocles hanging over things.

momgamer wrote:

I'm still trying to wrap my head around someone using any 3rd party service like that ever for a mission critical function without some sort of secondary option available in case of failure/outage even without this new governmental sword of Damocles hanging over things.

You've been in IT longer than I have, and this still surprises you?

I'm thoroughly unconcerned about Dropbox, however. The whole infrastructure and setup is different. If they set the sights on anyone next, it'll be mediafire or rapidshare. I'd still have a plan B, mind, but I'm not hugely concerned.

Some of the file hosting sites have already switched to 'no more file-sharing, you can only access the things you've uploaded yourself'. So unless you're willing to share the account info you're s.o.l. on the sharing front for those sites. I could see dropbox going this route too, simply removing the public link option.

That's fine if all you're doing is backing up your data but there are legitimate reasons to share and transfer files with others. At this rate mailing a usb stick will be easier and faster, or if you live in the same area http://xkcd.com/949/.

When mailing a USB drive is easier and faster, the tail is definitely wagging the f*cking dog.

necroyeti wrote:

When mailing a USB drive is easier and faster, the tail is definitely wagging the f*cking dog.

Registering usbstickster.com

Basically we'll all share pirated content via bulk rates and tiny USB sticks until they shut us down.

necroyeti wrote:

When mailing a USB drive is easier and faster, the tail is definitely wagging the f*cking dog.

My company has shipped satellite image data by air mail from Europe, because it was faster than transferring by broadband. Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 loaded with external disks.

DSGamer wrote:
necroyeti wrote:

When mailing a USB drive is easier and faster, the tail is definitely wagging the f*cking dog.

Registering usbstickster.com

Basically we'll all share pirated content via bulk rates and tiny USB sticks until they shut us down.

We will be back to photocopying manuals!

Mixolyde wrote:
necroyeti wrote:

When mailing a USB drive is easier and faster, the tail is definitely wagging the f*cking dog.

My company has shipped satellite image data by air mail from Europe, because it was faster than transferring by broadband. Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 loaded with external disks.

I do this every time I have to do a prison install. Broadband doesn't matter if the machine isn't allowed to even have a phsyical connection to the Internet. Dataset is a couple terrabytes (depending on their specific content spec). We write it to a big ol' USB drive at our colo and then the ops guy FedEx's it to me and I drive it out to the facility to install it.