The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Catch-All

jdzappa wrote:

Overall I like my warrior but want a different play style than rushing in and cutting things down in a few hits. Is there any way to make two handed weapons more interesting? Should I switch to sword and board or two weapons?

Do you have the Sweep perk? I'm working on Two-Handed, after sword-and-board, and thought it was okay until Sweep made it pretty fun.

I do like sword-and-board best though: you get the benefits of all the Block perks*, and the speed of a one-handed weapon keeps combat fast and fluid. Two-handed took a while to grow on me: I spend more time blocking and waiting, since it's slower and I have to be more deliberate with my strikes; though Sweep has been a huge help.

I experimented with bi-wielding in Bards College, but didn't like it. The damage advantage isn't worth giving up blocking, so you either go with light armour and try to be mobile (risky) or heavy armour and hope to soak everything up (boring).

*I think the Block perks that specifically mention "shield" are the only ones that won't work while blocking with a two-handed weapon (Deflect Arrows, Elemental Protection, Shield Charge).

Personally I find it hard to live without my Bow. Especially with the new special arrows mod that I have.

Well yeah, my enhanced crossbow and 600 bolts are indispensable (thank you, arrow crafting!), I figured we were just talking about melee combat.

Well for melee combat, nothing says love like a 30x sneak critical from my dagger:)

Take down a giant in a single hit. Booyeah!

I'll throw in another vote for sword-and-board being flat out more fun than 2-handed (and pretty much everything else with the possible exception of sneak attacking IMO).

I'm a dual wield cause it looks cool kinda of guy.

manta173 wrote:

I'm a dual wield cause it looks cool kinda of guy.

I just don't get it to be honest. Does it double your damage (in theory) by just hammering both triggers instead of one?

BlackSabre wrote:

And maybe tiny demons who shoot rainbows from their eyes will spring from my butt when I bend over?

There's a mod for that.

Demosthenes wrote:
manta173 wrote:

I'm a dual wield cause it looks cool kinda of guy.

I just don't get it to be honest. Does it double your damage (in theory) by just hammering both triggers instead of one?

i use PC and I alternate left right mouse button with weapons wit different enchnaments, so I am always swinging and there are nogaps for them to recover and attack.

but mostly...it looks cool.

manta173 wrote:
Demosthenes wrote:
manta173 wrote:

I'm a dual wield cause it looks cool kinda of guy.

I just don't get it to be honest. Does it double your damage (in theory) by just hammering both triggers instead of one?

i use PC and I alternate left right mouse button with weapons wit different enchnaments, so I am always swinging and there are nogaps for them to recover and attack.

but mostly...it looks cool.

Seems like it'd be tiring for both my fingers. I just love sword and board too much to drop that though.

Demosthenes wrote:
manta173 wrote:

I'm a dual wield cause it looks cool kinda of guy.

I just don't get it to be honest. Does it double your damage (in theory) by just hammering both triggers instead of one?

Pretty much. And swing speed is based on what you have in your off hand, so a sword primary and dagger secondary is pretty crazy. I use spells at range and generally dual wield for melee and it works rather well. You can also get more magical effects, since you're holding two weapons. I'll usually hold the Razor in my off hand for the insta-kill chance or the Blade of Woe for healing, but Dawnstar can be fun, etc. And it's kinda cool to be able to take out a Deathlord in like 2 hits. From a technique perspective though, it's probably even less interesting than 2-handed, since there's no block option.

The great thing compared to 2-handed is that your one-hand skill applies to both dual wield and sword & board, so you can swap between a weapon and a shield in your off hand based on whether you want more attack power or defense. Or even sword & spell, though I don't do that very often.

I'm hoping you guys can give me a little help. I haven't played Skyrim for at least 8 months, so I haven't kept up to date with the latest enhancements/balancing to the game. I'm going to start a new character tomorrow morning, I want to build a character that mainly uses the bow and maybe a dagger or some sort of close range weapon when things get personal (almost a Legolas char), I don't really want to be using magic, as I have another character for that, and it's what I've done for Oblivion and Skyrim before.

Can you guys give me a quick run down on the skills I should be focusing on other than the obvious Bow skill, what armour do you think would be best etc and what race I should be/would be best.

I suppose by now this is old hat, but I'd like some advise either way, I did look at a character building guide on GameFaq's but I'm being a but lazy and don't wanna read all the ins and outs, just a comprehensive, choose x, then y then z.

I hope I'm not asking too much...

Thanks in advance

Well the obvious answer is Bosmer, archery, stealth, light armour. Each Elder Scrolls race kind of has an archetypal playstyle it lends itself to but really just choose whatever race you want they can all do the same thing. Bosmer will just get you a headstart with your bows and lorewise it sounds like what you're going for. Just don't eat any plants. Only people

Yep, what Prozac said. Personally, I leveled up Illusion for the Calm an Frenzy spells, but you could put points into pickpocketing instead, which can let you do fun things like drop a vial of poison in someone's pocket and watch their health start going down. Lockpicking is considered part of the stealth skills but I never put any points in it.

Prozac wrote:

Well the obvious answer is Bosmer, archery, stealth, light armour. Each Elder Scrolls race kind of has an archetypal playstyle it lends itself to but really just choose whatever race you want they can all do the same thing. Bosmer will just get you a headstart with your bows and lorewise it sounds like what you're going for. Just don't eat any plants. Only people :)

Nice one, didn't even consider Stealth, but thinking about it, it sounds like a good choice.

I saw that they added cross bows - are they better than normal bows? What are the draw backs/advantages?

EDIT: Ill probably level up Smithing too, as I've enjoyed making my own armour, feels gooooood

beanman101283 wrote:

Yep, what Prozac said. Personally, I leveled up Illusion for the Calm an Frenzy spells, but you could put points into pickpocketing instead, which can let you do fun things like drop a vial of poison in someone's pocket and watch their health start going down. Lockpicking is considered part of the stealth skills but I never put any points in it.

I never got any lockpicking perks either, I thought the minigame was good and I didn't really have any issues opening Master locks - just maybe took 10 picks.

I heard something about getting training for pick pocketing, and then pick pocketing the trainer so you get all your money back - I need to try that hahaha

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Its a sad day when Skyrim is at the bottom of the pile

Wait, you're playing AC3 before Revelations? No no no no no, switch 'em. Also, I'd probably chuck MW3 up the top since you'll finish the single player the quickest out of all those games.

LobsterMobster wrote:
BlackSabre wrote:

And maybe tiny demons who shoot rainbows from their eyes will spring from my butt when I bend over?

There's a mod for that.

You know, I really wouldn't be surprised if there was.

BlackSabre wrote:

Wait, you're playing AC3 before Revelations? No no no no no, switch 'em. Also, I'd probably chuck MW3 up the top since you'll finish the single player the quickest out of all those games.

LobsterMobster wrote:
BlackSabre wrote:

And maybe tiny demons who shoot rainbows from their eyes will spring from my butt when I bend over?

There's a mod for that.

You know, I really wouldn't be surprised if there was.

I've already done Revelations, I've not played MW3 single player, and don't intend to, played the multiplayer allot though. It's just the order in which I've played them all recently. TBH I've not even played AC3, got it as a present for Christmas.

dissposablehero wrote:
BlackSabre wrote:

Wait, you're playing AC3 before Revelations? No no no no no, switch 'em. Also, I'd probably chuck MW3 up the top since you'll finish the single player the quickest out of all those games.

LobsterMobster wrote:
BlackSabre wrote:

And maybe tiny demons who shoot rainbows from their eyes will spring from my butt when I bend over?

There's a mod for that.

You know, I really wouldn't be surprised if there was.

I've already done Revelations, I've not played MW3 single player, and don't intend to, played the multiplayer allot though. It's just the order in which I've played them all recently. TBH I've not even played AC3, got it as a present for Christmas.

Your not missing out on much with AC3 unfortunately. Just play skyrim, you'll have a much better time!

Fireballs and dragons!

dissposablehero wrote:
Prozac wrote:

Well the obvious answer is Bosmer, archery, stealth, light armour. Each Elder Scrolls race kind of has an archetypal playstyle it lends itself to but really just choose whatever race you want they can all do the same thing. Bosmer will just get you a headstart with your bows and lorewise it sounds like what you're going for. Just don't eat any plants. Only people :)

Nice one, didn't even consider Stealth, but thinking about it, it sounds like a good choice.

I saw that they added cross bows - are they better than normal bows? What are the draw backs/advantages?

EDIT: Ill probably level up Smithing too, as I've enjoyed making my own armour, feels gooooood :P

Yeah stealth is a huge multiplier if you want to go primarily archery. My nord warrior has archery as a secondary skill but I can't one-shot people like I could on my thief while hiding. If I remember correctly, archery can also help you level stealth just like backstabs.

Oh here's an update on my warrior. I tried sword and board and really like it. My only concern is I've already got 55 points in two handed and several perks. Is it too late to switch? Oh and I'm level 15.

jdzappa wrote:

Yeah stealth is a huge multiplier if you want to go primarily archery. My nord warrior has archery as a secondary skill but I can't one-shot people like I could on my thief while hiding. If I remember correctly, archery can also help you level stealth just like backstabs.

I started playing at around 12:30pm today the next time I looked up it was 6pm and dark out side - I love this game.

The stealth bonus really helped, I cleared out an entire dungeon with one shot kills, except the boss which only took 3 anyway. I only need one more point in Stealth so I can get the perk that makes stealth archery 3x damage multiplier which will come in handy and, in a couple of levels time ill have the slow down time perk when you aim with the bow. I'm only level 9 at this point and it's going really well. I thought I might struggle with the bow but it's the opposite.

I've not put anything into light armour yet, but there's time and I've been concentrating on Smithing.

Does anyone know if you can craft your own bows? I know you can upgrade them on the grindstone but haven't seen an option to make one. Also, does anyone know at what point Crossbows become available - I'm interested to try them out.

dissposablehero wrote:

Does anyone know if you can craft your own bows? I know you can upgrade them on the grindstone but haven't seen an option to make one. Also, does anyone know at what point Crossbows become available - I'm interested to try them out.

Re Bows: when you reach the skill level in smithing to make elvish, dwarven or orcish armor, not sure which one goes first.
Re Xbows: you have Dawnguard installed right? if so you need to reach the dawnguard's Stronghold, I haven't seen crosbows on regular sellers like other regular weapons.

Feeank wrote:

Re Xbows: you have Dawnguard installed right? if so you need to reach the dawnguard's Stronghold, I haven't seen crosbows on regular sellers like other regular weapons.

Ah, no I don't have Dawnguard, I thought they were just added in through one of the patches, didn't consider it was part of DLC - silly me

Ill keep working on my Smithing skill and see what pops up.

There's now a "dlcbeta" on steam (needs a password). Seems like it's coming.

I'm wondering whether I should give Skyrim a break and start fresh later on, fresh mod installs, etc, or to persist with my 'one save to rule them all' even if a few things have been broken along the way.

I finished "the dark brotherhood forever" mod earlier, which was pretty good. Onto moonpath to elswyr.

Since I'm playing it on the Xbox there's no mods are there some good ones out for the PC version? I know the Oblivion modding community was massive at the time.

Scratched wrote:

Onto moonpath to elswyr.

I just started that one last night!

My early impressions are that the giant spiders are very annoying and the environments are beautiful. Deserts and jungles are a very refreshing change from Skyrim.

dissposablehero wrote:

Since I'm playing it on the Xbox there's no mods are there some good ones out for the PC version? I know the Oblivion modding community was massive at the time.

I can't play the game without certain mods.

I mean, Quintin's basement mod *alone* is worth buying the game all over again.

My field trip to High Hrothgar.

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It is a stunning looking game isn't. I like to just look at the scenery sometimes - something that's sorely lacking in the Fallout series

dissposablehero wrote:

It is a stunning looking game isn't. I like to just look at the scenery sometimes - something that's sorely lacking in the Fallout series

A big reason why I can't even get into the new ones at all. And why I've somehow managed to sink 346 hours into Skyrim. The world itself just draws me in so much as it is the ideal fantasy landscape to me.