The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Catch-All

According to RPS, phrasing equivalent to "all-new gameplay and graphics" was used. "All new" sounded good, until I read the comments and someone pointed out that it's Bethesda's customisations to Gamebyro that made it the dog's dinner that it is in their games.

Hopeful, but cautious.

Scratched wrote:

"all-new gameplay"

It's gonna have VATS, of course.

...and the inevitable criticism: "this is just Fallout with swords."

Have they gone into any specifics on how they are going to do character progression? Are they doing the "use the skill and get better at it" model or the "put points into the skills yourself" model?

Brand new engine you say? In that case, I retract my previous statement.

I just ran across a few of the perks that were leaked. Seem interesting:

[Dragon Friend]Putting one point into this perk means dragons will no longer attack on sight. 2 points and dragons will actively come to your aid in battle.

[Night Elf]The darkness is your friend. At night, all your attacks gain +10% to damage, +3 to armor penetration and you take 10% less damage from beasts and animals.

[Mysterious Spriggan]When using I.C.E targeting system, a sexy creature of the woods will occasionally appear and lend you aid in battle, with deadly results.

[More Talk, Less Action]With a high enough Speech skill, you will sometimes be given a dialogue option during battle that will end the fight and allow you to play the Speech mini-game for several hours instead to decide the outcome.

[Mod Me Up]When taking this perk, all mods that will ever be released for the PC version of Skyrim become immediately available. No more waiting 4 months for that mod that will make your game enjoyable!

I.C.E. targeting system? Oh god, there is VATS!

ruhk wrote:
Scratched wrote:

"all-new gameplay"

It's gonna have VATS, of course.

...and the inevitable criticism: "this is just Fallout with swords."

To clear that up, "gameplay and graphics engine", which I would take as whatever code is running the scripting systems, rather than the various bits of gameplay like VATS. Given a game the scope of Elder Scrolls, it's a bit of a vague statement really.

[Mysterious Spriggan]When using I.C.E targeting system, a sexy creature of the woods will occasionally appear and lend you aid in battle, with deadly results.

Holy cow! Good sleuthin' Montalban. I also had the good fortune to stumble upon a leaked image for that perk. Check out our sexy woodland creature that will come to our aid in ICE!

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Oblivion made me sad in a handful of ways (though happy in others). I'm going to go with cautious optimism.

It's Elder Scrolls. I've been playing these games for nearly a decade. I'll gleefully hand over my $60 regardless of whether it's on a new engine, an old engine, or no engine at all. Blocky faces be damned, it's ELDER SCROLLS!

Pardon me, I'm off to Amazon to start hitting F5 until the pre-order is available

The irrational enthusiasm in this thread pleases me.

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Gravey wrote:

The irrational enthusiasm in this thread pleases me.

Why's it irrational? Am I missing something?

I'm REALLY hoping they go back to the more exotic themes of Morrowind (what with the bonemold armor and the giant bugs as fast transit). If they don't? Meh. I'm sure it'll still be a great game.

Blind_Evil wrote:
Gravey wrote:

The irrational enthusiasm in this thread pleases me.

Why's it irrational? Am I missing something?

I think it's irrational because we know very little about the game.

Puce Moose wrote:

Check out our sexy woodland creature that will come to our aid in ICE!

Puce, that if that scene is not in the game, you have to make a mod for it. Some sort of Nordic locus amoenus. Maybe you have to go around and collect the pages of this really cheesy novel, and when you collect them all the author shows up and transports you into the book where you fight all sorts of evil bunnies and flowers, and save the author's boyfriend, but then realize it was the author that trapped her boyfriend in the book to begin with because she's actually a werewolf enchantress. Then you're offered the moral "choice:" Stay in the book to help the characters change the plot, or side with the enchantress and kill all the bunnies and flowers.

That's a funny picture, but I didn't just spend 5 minutes thinking about how to work it into a real game. Nope. Because that would be silly.

Super excited about this. I hope they don't change the gameplay too much, I am actually a big fan of the oblivion character developement/ combat style. Although I love everything Bethesda does, so I'm sure it will be great either way.

I'm going to wait until another overhaul mod for skyrim is released before purchasing.

LobsterMobster wrote:

I'm REALLY hoping they go back to the more exotic themes of Morrowind (what with the bonemold armor and the giant bugs as fast transit). If they don't? Meh. I'm sure it'll still be a great game.

Blind_Evil wrote:
Gravey wrote:

The irrational enthusiasm in this thread pleases me.

Why's it irrational? Am I missing something?

I think it's irrational because we know very little about the game.

It's entirely possible that the game will be horrible and kittens will spontaneously combust when coming into contact with it, but considering that the Elder Scrolls is a series with a history of games that are excellent even despite being buggy as hell and built upon subpar tech I would hardly say the enthusiasm is irrational. More like an informed hypothesis.

I just mean it's irrational in that many of us, myself included, are flipping our lids at just the mention of TESV. Bad choice of words, though maybe LobsterMobster has it right. Bethesda merely says, "Yup, TESV", and I'm floating above the ground.

Gravey wrote:

I just mean it's irrational in that many of us, myself included, are flipping our lids at just the mention of TESV. Bad choice of words, though maybe LobsterMobster has it right. Bethesda merely says, "Yup, TESV", and I'm floating above the ground.

I don't see how it's irrational.... unless you also think it's irrational that we're excited about a new game in a series that we've previously dedicated hundreds of hours to playing....

Irrational because Bethesda has a reputation for not so brilliant quality, and a few little moments of greatness along the way. Oblivion isn't one big game, it's lots of small games and some of those games are interesting (Dark Brotherhood), and some are generic as hell. They pretty much include what most people hate about AAA games, that they have to be so broad in appeal that they lose all flavour and can't take risks.

At the end of my last time playing Oblivion, I was ready to throw something at the monitor the next time I heard "Would you like to see my wares?" and grinning round mug on the screen. There's rarely any bite, or interesting characters in their games. When was the last time someone in an Elder Scrolls game hated you so much they wished your genitals would rot off?

Scratched wrote:

Irrational because Bethesda has a reputation for not so brilliant quality, and a few little moments of greatness along the way. Oblivion isn't one big game, it's lots of small games and some of those games are interesting (Dark Brotherhood), and some are generic as hell. They pretty much include what most people hate about AAA games, that they have to be so broad in appeal that they lose all flavour and can't take risks.

At the end of my last time playing Oblivion, I was ready to throw something at the monitor the next time I heard "Would you like to see my wares?" and grinning round mug on the screen. There's rarely any bite, or interesting characters in their games. When was the last time someone in an Elder Scrolls game hated you so much they wished your genitals would rot off?

In Fallout 3 the genitals of several characters had rotted and fallen off.

Fallout 3 was the point, graphically, where the visuals of a Bethesda game were convincing enough to allow me to 'enjoy' the world as a visual spectacle. I played ESO on 360. There were some gorgeous moments but equally there was a lot of crappy stuff (including the fact that you could see a circle of ground cover following you around as you moved through the landscape.) Anything better that Fallout 3 will probably work for me (I also like snowy environments as some folks were saying earlier.)

I was also ok with the faces in Fallout 3. There was room for improvement but they were good enough not to spoil my enjoyment of the game.

Scratched wrote:

Irrational because Bethesda has a reputation for not so brilliant quality, and a few little moments of greatness along the way. Oblivion isn't one big game, it's lots of small games and some of those games are interesting (Dark Brotherhood), and some are generic as hell. They pretty much include what most people hate about AAA games, that they have to be so broad in appeal that they lose all flavour and can't take risks.

At the end of my last time playing Oblivion, I was ready to throw something at the monitor the next time I heard "Would you like to see my wares?" and grinning round mug on the screen. There's rarely any bite, or interesting characters in their games. When was the last time someone in an Elder Scrolls game hated you so much they wished your genitals would rot off?

I think that says it all, really. Warts and all, most people played through that game at least twice. It did win the community GOTY on this site, so saying that getting excited for the sequel is irrational is akin to saying people shouldn't be excited at the mention of Dragon Age 2 (which you did! Patterns!) or Fallout NV.

People like sequels to stuff they like. Part of the excitement also stems from the lack of frequency with which these games come out. It's hard to get really excited for a new CoD game, a new Guitar Hero, even some bi-annual games get a little ho-hum. But when you love something and have no idea when you'll be getting more, just the mention of it can bring that glimmer to the eye.

Scratched wrote:

Irrational because Bethesda has a reputation for not so brilliant quality, and a few little moments of greatness along the way. Oblivion isn't one big game, it's lots of small games and some of those games are interesting (Dark Brotherhood), and some are generic as hell. They pretty much include what most people hate about AAA games, that they have to be so broad in appeal that they lose all flavour and can't take risks.

At the end of my last time playing Oblivion, I was ready to throw something at the monitor the next time I heard "Would you like to see my wares?" and grinning round mug on the screen. There's rarely any bite, or interesting characters in their games. When was the last time someone in an Elder Scrolls game hated you so much they wished your genitals would rot off?

Except you're (perhaps not you specifically?) saying that people who liked the previous games a lot are excited about a new game in the series.... I was pointing out how not irrational that was. In comparison - it sounds like you had a lot of gripes with the game - I'm not seeing you being overly enthusiastic about it.

I still don't see how being excited about a series you love getting another addition is irrational. Now, if we'd hated the games and were excited about this new one.... that'd be irrational.

Reminds me of the threads for certain games where any *criticism* is not 'allowed' and you're labelled as something distasteful. Except kind of in reverse!

After Oblivion and Fallout 3, I should be cautiosly optimistic at best, but DAMN IT I loved Morrowind. Any thoughts on whether it's worth tracking down Arena and Daggerfall, as someone who missed them the first time 'round due to.. Y'know.. Not being born and all.

Daggerfall is free, but they've changed the elderscrolls.com site so I can't find the download now.

El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:

After Oblivion and Fallout 3, I should be cautiosly optimistic at best, but DAMN IT I loved Morrowind. Any thoughts on whether it's worth tracking down Arena and Daggerfall, as someone who missed them the first time 'round due to.. Y'know.. Not being born and all.

One of them is a free download on the Elderscrolls website....

I was just thinking, 'Hey I was there a week ago, let's look.' Of course a week ago Skyrim was merely legend.

Here are the downloads, seems legit still.

TESV: Old Vegas?

Scratched wrote:

Daggerfall is free, but they've changed the elderscrolls.com site so I can't find the download now.

Isn't that also a heavily censored version? The original Daggerfall was not shy with the boobies, pixellated as they were.

thejustinbot wrote:

Fantasy? Snow? Dragons? I'm in!

Yeah, pretty much this.

I'm also a complete Elder Scrolls junkie, and can't wait for Skyrim!

Higgledy wrote:

In Fallout 3 the genitals of several characters had rotted and fallen off.

Pfft Skyrim is just Fallout 3 with intact genitals.