NBA Season 2011-2012

carrotpanic wrote:

It wasn't over his back, and it was in the circle. Not joking.

He literally almost jumped over his back. Not sure how much more over the back you can get unless you clear him completely like he did the Kia.

Pau oversold the contact after the fact, ball was in Griffin's hands and they were both upright. With possession established, Pau was in the restricted area and not planted, so it wasn't a charge.

That's my two cents, anyway.

Blind_Evil wrote:

Pau oversold the contact after the fact, ball was in Griffin's hands and they were both upright. With possession established, Pau was in the restricted area and not planted, so it wasn't a charge.

That's my two cents, anyway.

If that wasn't a dunk but instead was Griffin jumping up to get a rebound it would be over the back. Nevermind the dunk later where he stiff-armed him.

Nope.

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Look down, it's the circle.

carrotpanic wrote:

Look down, it's the circle.

Lol

Realistically, though, that doesn't have anything to do with it. Yes - I'm just another guy on the internet (aka: "hey! why wasn't I consulted!"), but so are all the voices here :p

As is, now that I have a moment I've done a little reading up on rules. Mind you, I've still not even looked at the first dunk, but I've watched the second numerous times now but I can't see it as anything but an offensive foul. True enough, Gasol can't actually draw a charging foul in that area by the NBA's rules, but this seems to completely removed from what Blake is himself doing, which was quite literally using his forearm to slam Pau in the neck, push him down, and generally, so far as I can tell, doing this: "A player shall not hold, push, charge into, impede the progress of an oppo-nent by extending a hand, forearm, leg or knee or by bending the body into a posi-tion that is not normal. Contact that results in the re-routing of an opponent is a foul which must be called immediately."

Again, I'm not an NBA ref, nor some kind of analytical expert. But I'm pretty sure that the inner circle doesn't equate to offensive players being exempt from fouls entirely. And if it does... then those regulations need a serious going-over. Even if it could be conclusively that such plays are perfectly legal within the league's rule-set, that doesn't make their acceptability any less squeamish.

The circle is basically a no-flop zone, in theory. I'd rather they just called technicals on flopping and thus forced guys to stop trying to jump in front of someone to take a charge. But yeah, you can't elbow the defendernin the neck and get away with it because he defended you in the circle. Well, not unless you're Griffin.

The contact was initiated by Pau blocking Griffin's drive when he moved underneath him in the circle. Should be a defensive foul.

carrotpanic wrote:

The contact was initiated by Pau blocking Griffin's drive when he moved underneath him in the circle. Should be a defensive foul.

Wow. We clearly watch or play completely different versions of basketball.

Yep. No point in carrying this on. Go Pistons?

Go Knicks! Beat the Bulls tonight soundly by scoring goal-baskets!

Melo's cool, but Shumpert is one rookie to watch.

Thirteenth wrote:

Go Knicks! Beat the Bulls tonight soundly by scoring goal-baskets!

Melo's cool, but Shumpert is one rookie to watch.

This is a super nerdy thing to say, but Shumpert is my backup PG of choice in NBA 2k12. He can't shoot and hasn't got the best handle, but his explosiveness to the rim, speed, and defense are AMAZING. I've only seen him play short minutes this year, is that an apt description?

That's pretty apt. He's definitely got the athleticism and talent, and his individual defense on Derrick Rose played a huge part in the Knicks' win this past Sunday. It is also true that he hasn't been the most reliable shooter or a decent pick-and-roll defender, but those things will come in time.

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Pacers have 6 of 9 games remaining at home, including the final 4. Really feeling good about holding onto that 3 spot!

Korverrrrrrr!

Always fun to see the Heat lose. Especially when the analysts like to praise their defense and the old man Celtics shoot 60%+

I'm beginning to notice that Chandler is doing a lot of that tipping-the-ball-out-instead-of-rebounding thing. It's been really effective, and I don't think it shows up on the box score. Maybe it should.

I believe those still count as rebounds.

carrotpanic wrote:

I believe those still count as rebounds.

I don't think so. I believe it's the first player to have control of the ball after the missed shot. I'd love to see the official rule on this, though.

Rebounds are credited to the first player that gains clear possession of the ball or to a player that successfully deflects the ball into the basket for a score.

according to wiki

And this is also why I think the Knicks have that sneaky chance of being successful in the playoffs. Between Chandler being a legitimate defensive stud they have role players like Shumpert and Jefferies who do the dirty work. Only problem is their regular season has locked them pretty much into 7-8 (or even out). Can see them taking either Miami or Chicago to 7 or even beating them don't see them doing that trick to both of them.

That's part of what I loved about Chandler's play last year in the playoffs. I assumed he was basically losing a rebound every time he backtapped it and he kept on doing it because it was the best basketball play. That's how you know a player really gets it.

I'm still unsure but, it seems like from this that Chandler is seen as "controlling" the ball by specifically deflecting it to a teammate and would get credit for the rebound. It certainly wouldn't make sense to give the rebound to the player that ended up with the ball, since they had no part in controlling possession. I'm sure it comes down to the scorer's decision on who was more responsible for the continued/gained possession. I could be wrong, though.

The link from carrotpanic seems pretty clear. That only raises more questions though.
Is there a difference between Chandler specifically tipping the ball to a teammate versus him tipping with the general purpose of kicking the ball out? What if by kicking the ball out the other team end up having possesion? Heck, what if the other team steals the ball midflight? Does Chandler get a rebound and the stealer get a steal, or does the stealer get the rebound?

/confused

Thirteenth wrote:

The link from carrotpanic seems pretty clear. That only raises more questions though.
Is there a difference between Chandler specifically tipping the ball to a teammate versus him tipping with the general purpose of kicking the ball out? What if by kicking the ball out the other team end up having possesion? Heck, what if the other team steals the ball midflight? Does Chandler get a rebound and the stealer get a steal, or does the stealer get the rebound?

/confused

In that specific case, there's probably a good amount resting on the discretion of the official scorer. Actually, tips in general usually are a subjective call.

Hell yeah. Bulls crushed the Heat in OT.

Miami looks like a bunch of quitters right now. Loving it.

Blind_Evil wrote:

Guys! Ron Artest sighting!

Dang I was just coming here to post that that didn't look like World Peace today.

Guys! Ron Artest sighting!

Damn. Dude got clocked!