NBA Season 2011-2012

I am sure it was intentional. ESPN often uses puns in their headlines and in this case it was in bad taste. There is no way they would come up with that headline for that game randomly.

Back to real basketball talk - he had 28 points and 14 assists in a win over the Mavs. Still had 7 turnovers, though a 2-1 ratio is still an improvement and people only seem to care about turnovers when you lose.

LeapingGnome wrote:

I am sure it was intentional. ESPN often uses puns in their headlines and in this case it was in bad taste. There is no way they would come up with that headline for that game randomly.

Back to real basketball talk - he had 28 points and 14 assists in a win over the Mavs. Still had 7 turnovers, though a 2-1 ratio is still an improvement and people only seem to care about turnovers when you lose.

Isn't there a new stat or saber metric that could figure out the impact of turnovers versus assist, points, etc.? I keep wondering what his historical comp is, especially given that he keeps winning in spite of high turnovers.

I like EFF, but ESPN uses PER.

EFF
(Points + Rebounds + Assists + Steals + Blocks) - (Field Goals Misses + Free Throws Misses + Turnovers)

PER

Per may be good, but you aren't shown how the sausage is made.

The player efficiency rating (PER) is a rating of a player's per-minute productivity.

To generate PER, I created formulas -- outlined in tortuous detail in my book "Pro Basketball Forecast" -- that return a value for each of a player's accomplishments. That includes positive accomplishments such as field goals, free throws, 3-pointers, assists, rebounds, blocks and steals, and negative ones such as missed shots, turnovers and personal fouls.

Two important things to remember about PER are that it's per-minute and is pace-adjusted.

Because it's a per-minute measure, it allows us to compare, say, Steve Blake and Derek Fisher, even though there is a disparity in their minutes played.

I prefer EFF because it is quick and easy, and if you follow the game, you already understand how to account for its weaknesses. I do think an EFF per minute stat would be useful.

Here are last season's EFF leaders. It seems like it pretty much matches conventional wisdom. Some of the impressions I have read are that as you go down a level, EFF favors bigs more and more. Of course, bigs dominate basketball more at lower levels.

As if someone heard us. A plethora of stats.

http://cnnsi.com/2012/basketball/nba/02/16/jeremy.lin.knicks/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a4

The most interesting to me is this one.

But perhaps the 23-year-old's greatest contribution to the Knicks' offense has been his playmaking ability. Early in the season, New York employed a number of non-passers at point guard, including rookie Iman Shumpert (who assists on a paltry 18.7 percent of teammate field goals when on the court), Toney Douglas (also 18.7 percent) and Mike Bibby (15.8 percent)....

But after the 6-foot-3, 200-pound Lin assumed the mantle of New York's primary point guard seven games ago, the team's scoring output has improved from 1.011 points per possession to 1.052, in no small part because Lin has a healthy 51.5 percent assist rate, second highest in the league behind Steve Nash's 58.7 percent.

Yeah, he had 7 TO's tonight, but he also had 5 steals, which sort of offsets that. Add to that his other great stats (28 pts, 55% shooting, 14 assists, 0 fouls), and I'd say he had pretty great game, despite the TO's.

It was a very nice turnaround for the Knicks after losing to one of the worst teams in the league.

Oh and Lin played 46 of the 48 minutes.

Am I crazy to think the Knicks are a contender now?

With Lin emerging and Smith jumping on board they suddenly actually have a balanced starting 5. Importantly it pushes all those question mark young players to the bench. Have youth and energy coming off the bench instead of needing to play big minutes.

I like the potential of them playing themselves into an actual team compared to the strange mess the Heat are.

Hm somehow I missed the thread. Although I only really looked once as the lockout was ending. I was determined to not give a crap this year after the lockout. And I refrained from buying NBA 2k12 at least.

But dammit if my Pacers weren't in 3rd last week, and giving me renewed hope that they can finally make some noise. Last year's playoff showing against the Bulls was very impressive, so hopefully they are building on that.

And now the Lin-sanity... it's entertaining to be sure. But as a lifetime Pacers fan, I hate the Knicks. :p But now they go and pick up JR Smith, whose younger brother is a senior with my Louisville Cardinals. Hell, JR is paying for Chris' tuition this year, since the team needed more scholarships to help recruit. It's becoming quite difficult to cheer against them when I am cheering for their players.

And also it's been surprising to see the Spurs winning despite Ginobli being injured. Gary Neal's heroics last night after his mistake not getting off a shot to tie were pretty impressive. He's another great story, 6th man last year out of nowhere lighting it up. I can't help but root for the Spurs the last several years as my secondary team. From Robinson to Duncan and the cast surrounding them, they've always seemed like a class act, in a smaller market, and that's an amazing decade+ run of greatness.

Anyway, All-Star break coming up quick. I like the Rising Stars idea that they shifted the Rookie-Sophomore game to this year. The Sophomores always winning was getting pretty boring.

I think the Knicks are a contendor.

#1 - They have a go-to scorer to close out games in Anthony. If Anthony can adjust to playing a team game I could see him in a Dirk Nowitzki role from last season, the go-to guy late in games in the playoffs.

#2 - Jeremy Lin is disruptive in the tempo with which he plays and the way he's able to get to the rim, similar to JJ Barrea last year.

#3 - Tyson Chandler has come to life playing with Lin. They play so well off of each other, offensively and defensively.

#4 - JR Smith is a huge upgrade at SG and gives them a scorer to lean on when Anthony or Stoudamire are playing poorly.

Honestly with a good PG and JR Smith this team suddenly looks like it's built well. Really well. Especially with Chandler now playing as people expected. I think they're definitely a contendor assuming Lin doesn't come down to Earth.

Durant had 51 tonight for OKC. He shot 68% from the floor (incl 5 of 6 from 3 pt range) and had 8 reb and 4 steals.

This is pretty cool when you consider his teammate Westbrook had 40 himself.

Oh and Ibaka had 11 more blocked shots. That guy is a shot blocking machine.

Jeff-66 wrote:

Durant had 51 tonight for OKC. He shot 68% from the floor (incl 5 of 6 from 3 pt range) and had 8 reb and 4 steals.

This is pretty cool when you consider his teammate Westbrook had 40 himself.

Oh and Ibaka had 11 more blocked shots. That guy is a shot blocking machine.

I missed it! From the highlight that looked like a fine game.

Yeah I hope they replay that game on ESPN or NBATV, I like up tempo games and from what I've read that game was really fast and super fun.

For the Knicks being contenders I think it is too early to tell. Wait and see how Carmelo is doing after he is back for 5-6 games. They just signed Smith and he played one game. Davis is supposed to play this week. They have won 7 of 8 and are adding three more good pieces in the next week. Lets see what the team looks like in two weeks with Carmelo and Smith gelled in and Davis getting some minutes and people will have a better idea if they can get past Miami and Chicago. A starting line-up of Lin, Fields/Smith, Anthony, Stoudemire and Chandler does look pretty good though. Also don't forget about the trade deadline coming up, never really know until that is past.

I've been trying to get NBA League Pass Broadband (just downgraded cable as I normally do during the regular season) with a prorate for the season that's already passed. Hoping I can go back and see that first game where Lin blew up. He did it again last night. The sample size grows larger.

By the way, in all the news about ESPN I'm shocked no one mentioned the NY Post. I still am not sure that the "Chink in the Armor" thing was intentional or just dumb. But isn't this worse?

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So Oden is out for another year.

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2012/02/blazers_announce_that_center_greg_oden_will_under.html

How many times can a person undergo micro-fracture surgery before they're done? That can't be healthy.

I know this is gallows humor, but we're way past that with this situation. I found this amusing, a comment on the local paper's article.

Oden getting a knee surgery is like Greeks going on strike. Write an article when it doesn't happen.

Deron Williams - "Alright, i'm tired of all this 'Linsanity' bullsh*t."

I dunno if the Knicks are contenders, but if things gel, they can certainly reach "we don't want to play them" status in the playoffs. I am growingly concerned about Amar'e though, he's looked like he's almost regressed, and he still doesn't play defense.

Also, RE: ESPN, don't they have editors? They're probably the world's largest sports news corporation, and noone on the line took a look at that before they hit "Publish" and went "Wait.... wait. We can't print that."

I mean, I work in a news room. I edit the website. And it'd be one thing if, at my tiny little news company that this happened, because there are several hours out of every day where I am literally the only person creating and editing material for the website. But at ESPN? Really?

Also, I feel so bad for Greg Oden, he's always sounded like a great kid with his head screwed on straight. Noone's willing to insure Amar'e's knees, and he's only had one micro-fracture surgery. At #3, isn't your career over?

Prederick wrote:

Deron Williams - "Alright, i'm tired of all this 'Linsanity' bullsh*t."

I dunno if the Knicks are contenders, but if things gel, they can certainly reach "we don't want to play them" status in the playoffs. I am growingly concerned about Amar'e though, he's looked like he's almost regressed, and he still doesn't play defense.

Also, RE: ESPN, don't they have editors? They're probably the world's largest sports news corporation, and noone on the line took a look at that before they hit "Publish" and went "Wait.... wait. We can't print that."

I mean, I work in a news room. I edit the website. And it'd be one thing if, at my tiny little news company that this happened, because there are several hours out of every day where I am literally the only person creating and editing material for the website. But at ESPN? Really?

Also, I feel so bad for Greg Oden, he's always sounded like a great kid with his head screwed on straight. Noone's willing to insure Amar'e's knees, and he's only had one micro-fracture surgery. At #3, isn't your career over?

If I read the apology right, the guy who wrote the headline was the "editor."

Sucks about Oden. They took him instead of Durant and Oden's career could very well end having played 80 games in 5 years. Between Oden and Roy, the Blazers have some sh!tty luck.

mindset.threat wrote:

Sucks about Oden. They took him instead of Durant and Oden's career could very well end having played 80 games in 5 years. Between Oden and Roy, the Blazers have some sh!tty luck.

The thing I don't get is with all the torn ACLs and microfracture surgery that's taken place in Portland, the team doesn't seem to be doing much. If I was losing players left and right and even developing a reputation as an injury prone ballclub I would tear apart the stadium, the practice facility, hire new doctors and basically turn over every stone to make sure this was actually a fluke. Are the Blazers using a practice or playing surface (different courts have different levels of give or bounce) that causes injury? Is it something about the weather? I'd want to know, if it was possible, what was going on.

At the very least I'd throw obscene amounts of money at the entire Phoenix training staff and poach them.

I think you will find that off-season conditioning is a much larger factor than any of that. The stronger the muscles are in your legs, the less likely they will give enough to tear up the knee.

Then there is just plain old bad luck. If there is going to be 100 ACL injuries, statistically, some will clump together.

I don't think it was a coincidence that thee important players for the Chiefs suffered season ending knee injuries after a shortened training camp and lack of off-season workouts die to the lockout. And they were all gone by wek two.

mindset.threat wrote:

Between Oden and Roy, the Blazers have some sh!tty luck.

I have no doubt this is basketball's version of the Curse of the Bambino. I'm just not sure if it should be called the Curse of Jordan or Bowie.

Call it karma for the Jailblazers.

Ouch, Jeremy ... just ... ouch.

1 for 11 shooting, only 3 assists, and 8 turnovers vs the Heat.

Did you watch the game? The Heat totally smothered him, they looked really fired up at the start of the game. They frequently double teamed and even ran a lot of full court press when Lin was talking the ball up. For someone that was already turnover prone he looked frazzled and overwhelmed. The refs were also letting them play physical a bit which didn't seem to benefit Lin, and I am sure it did not help that it was a 2nd night of a back-to-back.

The Heat seem really good this year now that they have some depth. Watching the game though which is one of the few Heat games I've watched this year, it struck me how little communication there seemed to be between the players. I never saw like James talk to Wade once, everyone just seemed to go about their business ignoring everyone else. It was a weird vibe.

Wow LeBron can even choke in the All-Star game.

And what's up with Wade bloodying Kobe's nose? A little harsh for an exhibition game.

Stele wrote:

Wow LeBron can even choke in the All-Star game.

And what's up with Wade bloodying Kobe's nose? A little harsh for an exhibition game. :?

But didn't you love the All-Star game? No defense, and the offense was a bunch of layups and dunks. Forget the outside shooting, because I can only remember 1 or 2 shots from outside the paint that actually went in. It takes WAY more skill to dunk it

/sarcasm

That was one of the better ASGs of late. Looking at the shot chart, you're exaggerating the lack of perimeter shots, if I'm reading your sarcasm right. 26 threes made total. Lebron alone was on fire from outside in the second half.

My takeaway from the weekend: I really wish the Timberwolves had picked Paul George or Greg Monroe instead of Wes Johnson in 2010.

Blind_Evil wrote:

My takeaway from the weekend: I really wish the Timberwolves had picked Paul George or Greg Monroe instead of Wes Johnson in 2010.

He's ours! You can't have him! :p

Blind_Evil wrote:

My takeaway from the weekend: I really wish the Timberwolves had picked Paul George or Greg Monroe instead of Wes Johnson in 2010.

He's ours! You can't have him!

Wasn't really sure where to put this since its high school basketball related but here goes...

It was announced today that St. Patrick's in Elizabeth, NJ is closing this year. Rice (NY) closed last year and St. Anthony's (Jersey City) probably won't stay open past this spring. Sad news...hundreds of division 1 players have come out of these schools over the past 20 years not to mention a number of NBA guys.

On an NBA note, looks like the honeymoon is already over for the Knicks. They are down 15 to the Cavs and getting booed at home. Again.

They really picked up by end of the third quarter, leading by 2 points. Five players have double digit scores, with Anthony leading the group at 18. Novak landed three sick 3-pointers. That Aaron Rodgers thing is quickly becoming his signature.

Yeah, I stand corrected. They are up by 9 with about 8 minutes left.

Yeah, this morale thing. It's really something.

Amazing game by the Knicks.