WoW 5.0 - Mists of Pandaria

I hit 90 about two weeks ago and just recently got into the Scenarios, and I'm finding that I enjoy them, especially with the loot bonuses added in 5.1:

* Queue time takes seconds, literally. Queuing as a DPS for a dungeon takes 10-20 minutes. I can probably knock out 2-3 scenarios in the time it takes to queue for and run a single dungeon.
* About 50% of the time I'm getting an iLvl 450/463 piece of gear in my reward box, and there's even a chance of iLvl 476 epics dropping. For freshly-dinged 90's, farming scenarios may be the fastest way to build up a base set of gear, and then run Heroics for specific drops and buy Justice Point gear to fill in the gaps
* 40 Valor Points for the first random daily scenario and 20 Valor Points for each one after that, so they're a viable way to farm Valor Points, possibly faster than doing dailies
* They offer a little more variety in activities than dungeons do, especially the ones introduced in 5.1 (bombing runs, building defenses, etc)
* They're typically shorter and easier than Heroics, and Heroics are pretty easy and short to begin with. Even in times where you're in a group without a healer, you can usually just bandage/eat between fights and be fine

On the topic of dailies, there sure are a lot of them, but I usually just do a faction or two's worth a day, so I don't get too burned out, and I'll have some rewards to work towards. I do like that for a lot of the reps, there are little milestones along the way, such as one-off quest chains that go a little more into the faction's story, which breaks up some of the monotony. The other thing I like about dailies, like most solo content, is that it's an activity I can do when I know I may have to hop off the computer at a moment's notice (without pissing off other people in my group and/or locking me out of running that content again for the rest of the day).

What Slyght said.

Related: If you're grinding out rep, you can hit the Darkmoon Faire for a 10 percent rep bonus. Ride the carousel to get the buff, which lasts for an hour. Bonus is also good for XP if you're not 90.

Urp: Today's Penny Arcade cartoon

I just hit the minimum gear requirement last night to do Raid Finder, and decided to give it a try. I haven't seriously raided since WotLK, when I realized that there was more I hated about raiding than I enjoyed. I was pleasantly surprised by the results, completing both sections of the Mogu'shan Vaults:

* Queue time for the first part of Mogu'shan Vaults was under 10 minutes as a DPS, shorter than the dungeon queue. Queue time for the second part was about 20 minutes, so maybe a little worse than the average dungeon queue. In one particular case, I was instantly added to an in-progress raid.
* Each section of Mogu'shan Vaults took about 35-45 minutes total. Back when I raided in TBC/WotLK, I'd be happy if we did our first trash pull within 30 minutes of the scheduled start time.
* No wipes, although the group I was with for The Stone Guard and Feng the Accursed was a little shaky
* I got 180 Valor Points, an epic trinket, and 3 Sigils of Power, not bad!
* Only one racist comment (after the near wipe on Feng) and minimal elitism (I've seen far worse from tanks in Heroics), I was honestly expecting more. For the most part, it was a quiet and pleasant experience.

I'm scared as hell to do raids! I used to be a hardcore raider back in "the day" and was an officer in a top 5 guild on my server. That being said, I was not a tank. I also never pugged and did everything with my guild. I am a panda monk who has spent all 90 levels in a tank spec. With Smakkum, I don't know how to DPS! I don't have a spec setup for it at all. I'd like to stick to my tanky spec but also don't want to screw up any raids that I join either. I'm at 429 ilvl so 6 more to go before I can join heroics. I still have time to learn how to DPS but it's still scary the first time in instances

So, I stopped playing WoW shortly after WotLK came out and only took a quick look at Cataclysm over a free weekend.

I still have a 60day card sitting around and since I will be restricted to my 2010 Macbook over the holidays I was thinking that this might be the time to use it.

Should I bother getting Pandaria and start a Panda/Monk?

Should I rather focus on Cataclysm and one of those new races? Would it be fun to play one of the old races in Cataclysm again to experience how areas like Dun Morogh again?

Or would I have more fun finishing WotLK with my druid? I didn't really see much of that content.

I guess I'll be playing mostly solo or with random groups since all people I used to play with stopped playing by now. So I'm mostly interested in the quality of the questing/leveling of the start areas of Pandaria and Cataclysm compared with the high level content in WotLK.

Hope I can get some impressions from you guys!

DeThroned wrote:

I'm scared as hell to do raids! I used to be a hardcore raider back in "the day" and was an officer in a top 5 guild on my server. That being said, I was not a tank. I also never pugged and did everything with my guild. I am a panda monk who has spent all 90 levels in a tank spec. With Smakkum, I don't know how to DPS! I don't have a spec setup for it at all. I'd like to stick to my tanky spec but also don't want to screw up any raids that I join either. I'm at 429 ilvl so 6 more to go before I can join heroics. I still have time to learn how to DPS but it's still scary the first time in instances :)

I think the iLvl requirement for scenarios is 425, so you should be able to start queuing for them. Patch 5.1 really improved the rewards you get from running random scenarios, so you can probably get a lot of gear upgrades to get you ready for heroics. As a tank, you should probably queue up pretty quickly for Heroics, although it's the opposite for Raid Finder. There are only 2 tanks per 25 man raid (6 healers and 17 DPS), so tanks have the longest queue. As somebody who has played as both a tank and DPS over the years, I can tell you that DPS is the easier of the two jobs, so I wouldn't sweat it. As long as you don't cause the raid to wipe (as a melee DPS, I don't think there are any situations you can do this in Mogu'shan Vaults), and are smart enough not to stand in things that cause you to die, people in Raid Finder probably typically won't care too much about how much DPS you do.

MEATER wrote:

So, I stopped playing WoW shortly after WotLK came out and only took a quick look at Cataclysm over a free weekend.

I still have a 60day card sitting around and since I will be restricted to my 2010 Macbook over the holidays I was thinking that this might be the time to use it.

Should I bother getting Pandaria and start a Panda/Monk?

Should I rather focus on Cataclysm and one of those new races? Would it be fun to play one of the old races in Cataclysm again to experience how areas like Dun Morogh again?

Or would I have more fun finishing WotLK with my druid? I didn't really see much of that content.

I guess I'll be playing mostly solo or with random groups since all people I used to play with stopped playing by now. So I'm mostly interested in the quality of the questing/leveling of the start areas of Pandaria and Cataclysm compared with the high level content in WotLK.

Hope I can get some impressions from you guys!

Blizzard recently changed it so that all races and their respective starting zones are now included with the base game, so you should be able to roll a Worgen, Goblin, or Pandaren without having to purchase Cataclysm or MoP. They're all very good, I'd recommend rolling one of each race and trying them out, as they all can be completed in a couple of hours.

I also really enjoyed the revamp they made to the 1-60 leveling experience, so I'd recommend taking one or more of those characters through that content. Once again, you don't need to buy Cataclysm to experience this.

The 70-80 leveling experience in Northrend was also good, I don't know if it's better/worse than the new 1-60 content, but it might feel a little slower since it takes more XP to level.

Also worth checking out the new Pet Battle System they added in 5.0, a Pokemon side game, doesn't require the purchase of Mists of Pandaria.

You will need to buy Cataclysm to experience the 80-85 leveling content, and MoP for the 85-90 leveling content and/or to create a Monk. Might be worth checking out some of the "free" content mentioned above before investing into purchasing expansions.

@ Meater: I'd suggest starting at the beginning. Azeroth got a makeover before Cata, so you'll probably want to see what happened to the old zones. BC and Wrath are pretty much the same, but they go fast.

Don't forget the Looking for Group tool, which means you can actually see some of the instances. Herbing, mining and joining a guild of a certain status give you XP bonuses that means that leveling is super quick.

So all Pandaria will get me without a high level character is the monk class?

I got Cataclysm for Christmas after it came out so I have it already but never really played more than a 3 or 4 hours in the Worgen area.

How much did the classes change since I stopped playing? Is a priest still an option if I like playing casters and do some healing in dungeons or will it have a tough time leveling solo?

The highest level char I had was a Level 70 something druid but it wasn't that much fun to play solo. I used to team up with a friend who had a warrior so we would mostly do instances as tank/healer combo but then my friend stopped playing and I switched to feral and that wasn't much fun. How's the moonkin doing nowadays?

You might not be able to roll a monk without Pandaria. You might not have Pet Battles. You definitely won't be able to get to 90 without it. But you should be fine for now with a everything-through-Cata setup.

Classes have changed a ton. The names of the specs are the same but most classes play very differently than they used to.

You should be able to do just fine with a priest. You can dual spec at 30 if you want to go shadow/holy or disc. But the 1-through-60 content is very forgiving these days. The revamped Azeroth zones are more about telling a story and leveling you quickly than giving you any real challenge.

The LFG queues are pretty short these days as you level, partly because of all the new pandas and monks.

Ok, I guess I'll give the priest a shot. Probably going dwarf-priest since that's what I played in Beta and I want to both go down memory lane a bit and see how the changed the starting areas.

Other choice would be worgen. Any thoughts on what might be more fun?

Once you get past the initial leveling zone, you can pretty much hop around and play through any zones you want from 10-60. Worgen's 1-10 starting experience got some more love than the Dwarves, but either way that's only going to be a few hours of your overall leveling experience. One suggested route to take that would show off a lot of the revamped content would be:

10-15 in Westfall
15-20 in Redridge Mountains
(travel)
20-25 in Ashenvale
25-30 in Stonetalon Mountains
30-35 in Southern Barrens
(travel)
35-40 in Western Plaguelands
40-45 in Eastern Plaguelands
45-48 in Badlands
48-50 in Searing Gorge
50-52 in Burning Steppes
52-55 in Swamp of Sorrows
55-58 in Blasted Lands

Optionally, for 20-35, stay on the Eastern Kingdom and do Duskwood, Northern Stranglethorn, and Cape of Stranglethorn

Haven't played in a year and a half, but just got 10 free days of MoP so going to give it a whirl, are the Pandarian areas still packed with people playing Po the Dragon Warrior?

Well, it's time to hang up the WoW cloak and move on again. I promised my friends before I resubscribed that I would only do three months, and my time is pretty much up.

In three months I was able to do all of the dungeons, kill all of the raid bosses in raid finder, max out all of my professions (except archeology because that is a terrible profession), get Loremaster of Pandaria, epic out my Healing spec (shy a weapon grrr), and so much more.

Thanks to everyone for being so supportive when I found myself without a home on a hostile PVP server. Even though I never crossed over to the Alliance side with my Paladin, I'm very thankful that you guys helped me find a home in GWJ Horde. Hey, I was able to manage to level the Horde guild from 2 to 11 all by myself.

Anyway, thanks again. I'll keep watching this thread for news of your heroic exploits.

My final character build.
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MEATER wrote:

So, I stopped playing WoW shortly after WotLK came out and only took a quick look at Cataclysm over a free weekend.

I still have a 60day card sitting around and since I will be restricted to my 2010 Macbook over the holidays I was thinking that this might be the time to use it.

Should I bother getting Pandaria and start a Panda/Monk?

Should I rather focus on Cataclysm and one of those new races? Would it be fun to play one of the old races in Cataclysm again to experience how areas like Dun Morogh again?

Or would I have more fun finishing WotLK with my druid? I didn't really see much of that content.

I guess I'll be playing mostly solo or with random groups since all people I used to play with stopped playing by now. So I'm mostly interested in the quality of the questing/leveling of the start areas of Pandaria and Cataclysm compared with the high level content in WotLK.

Hope I can get some impressions from you guys!

In my opinion, WOTLK content was, is and always will be the prime of WOW. The quests, raids and instances were the most fun. Cataclysm and Pandaria were definitely steps into the wrong direction and I would love to remove any knowledge of either from my brain. You won't miss anything if you never do a 80-90 zone with the possible exception of Uldum if you liked Indiana Jones and the Mummy movies. My advice would be play a new character from 1 to 80, possible even with the faction you haven't played before. Ignore dungeons and any kind of XP buffs and revisit your favorite zones of old (the map will tell you their level range nowadays). Then do every quest in every zone in Northrend, leaving Stormpeaks for the grandiose finally. If you then wanna see it all go to heck, get Pandaria, the weakest expansion imo.

In case you DO want to play Cataclysm and Pandaria content, have someone send you a Scroll of Resurrection, which gets you a free upgrade to Cataclysm (if you need it) and a free character boost to level 80 (useful if you actually DO want to play Cataclysm and MoP content without spending the approx. 50-70h played it takes to get a different class from 1-80). The added benefit would be if it's from someone in on Blackhand you could join the guild and have the occasional chat with awesome GWJ dudes.

Luggage wrote:

In case you DO want to play Cataclysm and Pandaria content, have someone send you a Scroll of Resurrection, which gets you a free upgrade to Cataclysm (if you need it) and a free character boost to level 80 (useful if you actually DO want to play Cataclysm and MoP content without spending the approx. 50-70h played it takes to get a different class from 1-80). The added benefit would be if it's from someone in on Blackhand you could join the guild and have the occasional chat with awesome GWJ dudes.

Thanks for pointing out the thing with the scroll!

All my chars are on german servers I think and due to the time zones I wouldn't pump into too many players on a US server I guess but if someone wants to sent me a scroll that would be awesome. As I said I don't know anyone who's still playing WOW.

I guess I'll start a fresh char. I remember when I tried Cataclysm over the free weekend I wasn't able to figure out my Level 70 something Druid anymore since so much had changed skill wise.

The talent system has been completely overhauled ans simplified. Most of the talents and passives you used to choose in the talent tree you just gain during level-ups now. Instead you'll have the choice between 3 different talents (can be active or passive) at level 15, 30, 45, 60, 75 and 90 now. Check out the WoWHead talent calculator, you'll make sense of it fast.

Glyphs have been mostly detoothed, meaning unless you are min-maxing, you can play without most glyphs until you're 80+ and comfortably afford their prices on the AH. Some classes and specs still have quasi-mandatory major glyphs, but most don't.

If you need a "patch 5.1 guide to playing (insert class and spec here)", check out the class guides on IcyVeins.com. That'll get you up to speed on everything withing 30 minutes.

As far as leveling a priest goes, I just recently took a Goblin priest from 1 to 90 and it was a blast. Go Shadow right away and at level 30 get dual spec at you class trainer. Make Discipline your second spec, buy Glyph of Smite and then run dungeons as a healer. Healing dungeons as Discipline is fun. You'll essentially shield the tank and melees and then Holy Fire and Smite everything with the occasional heal thrown in. Around 38-40, you'll get Atonement, the single most awesome passive in the friggin' game. With that, all the damage you do with Holy Fire, Smite and your signature skill Penance will heal the party member with the largest amount of HP missing. Meaning if your tank is 1,000HP down and the next second your 1,200 damage Smite hits, your tank will be at full health. You won't have to cast a single heal until WOTLK instances this way.

With regards to playing on a German server, I have a friend that is still playing on the German servers. If you want, I can have him hook you up with a Scroll of Resurrection. Just make sure to read up on how it works before you use it.

Luggage wrote:

The talent system has been completely overhauled ans simplified. Most of the talents and passives you used to choose in the talent tree you just gain during level-ups now. Instead you'll have the choice between 3 different talents (can be active or passive) at level 15, 30, 45, 60, 75 and 90 now. Check out the WoWHead talent calculator, you'll make sense of it fast.

Thanks for the links. Yeah, seems they reduced it to almost nothing. Might make it possible to get a Level 80 Char under control.

What you write about the priest is pretty much what I was aiming at. I had most fun playing solo (as in without my friends) in WOW as a priest going into dungeons with random parties on an RP Server. Seems almost too easy to heal now. Used to be that you had to talk everyone through the healing process so everyone knew how to behave for the boss.

Luggage wrote:

With regards to playing on a German server, I have a friend that is still playing on the German servers. If you want, I can have him hook you up with a Scroll of Resurrection. Just make sure to read up on how it works before you use it.

If I get it right it means my char will be transferred to his server? If there are no other downsides and it will give him the mount even if I just use my prepaid card it should be fine.

I should ask around first though. Might be that friends of friends still have an active account and that way I might have a chance at getting into a guild.

Played a Pandarian monk yesterday from 1 to 12 and enjoyed the storyline. probably won't renew my account, just enjoy the remaining 7-8 days I have left.

Anyone done any good dailies lately?

Ugh.

So I fired up my 10 day free trial last night. I made an undead monk and got her to level 12ish. The changes to the undead newb area are nice but I wish I could have had the option to do the panda newb area no matter the race.

I did create a panda shaman and am enjoying the newb area up to level 5 so far. The story and characters are cliche' but it doesn't really bother me at all because I think the level design is fantastic! It is very tight and interesting which makes even the revamp of the old world areas remind you of how much running we had to do back then.

The combat pacing is still slower than modern games (even with the speedy monk and thief) but for whatever reason, it is still fun. And you kinda have to laugh at all the collecting of fresh organs, bear hides, pumpkins, deadwood roots, bat claws and wolf paws.

The worgen/scourge conflict has some interesting bits to it but the introduction of the Sylvannas story line so far is bad anime and disappointing.

My commitment to it will not be enough to subscribe again nor will I buy the expansion.

ScurvyDog wrote:

Anyone done any good dailies lately?

Ugh.

Shieldwall, AC, Tillers, and Shado Pan are decent. Golden Lotus is simply too much for one person ( but hilariously easy for 2 or more ).

Klaxxi is perfect. Awesome buffs, well designed nodes and a really good story wrapped up in the progression.

ScurvyDog wrote:

Anyone done any good dailies lately?
Ugh.

I was almost sad to hit exalted with the Tillers. I still do a daily or three for the gold and the Ironpaw token.

So I've been playing with my wifey in fits and starts leveling random alts. It's fun to see a lot of the quests that they revamped/changed in areas I never went back to after the Cataclysm. I feel like an alt-oholic and can't make up my mind what to level, so I am ending up with a bunch of characters in the 10-20 zone.

Also, is it okay to ask for guild invites for any of my lowbies on the Blackhand server, just to get the XP boost, or does the guild frown on bringing all your alts in? Thanks!

I'm so not a fan of the new westfall quest chains.

I didn't want to but I was curious... I know that is a terrible thing, but I paid my account for the month to check some things out before buying MoP. I started with the pet battle stuff, because I saw on MMO-Champions an addon that turned it into to what it essentially is...Pokemon. I leveled 3 of my rare pets to 5 and then did a player battle.

My pets were:

Frosty
Netherwhelp
Clockwork Gnome

The other player had Frosty, a Panther Cub, and a Harvester (I didn't catch the actual name) but I whooped that player. I think I have all the Pokemon games that I have played over the years to thank for that. Which also sucks because just like Pokemon it is going to make me want to catch them all.

I thought I could put all the years of WoW behind me. But I guess not. WoW truly is a cruel mistress.

Anyone else have any funny things that have happened with the Pet Battle system?

ranalin wrote:

I'm so not a fan of the new westfall quest chains.

Because they're a little too too? I thought it was silly and fun. The zone has definitely lost its significance from the days of Vanilla.

@Leo: Yes, feel free to ask GWJ-A members for invites for one or all of your alts. There's almost always someone on who can do guild invites.

Enix wrote:
ranalin wrote:

I'm so not a fan of the new westfall quest chains.

Because they're a little too too? I thought it was silly and fun. The zone has definitely lost its significance from the days of Vanilla.

@Leo: Yes, feel free to ask GWJ-A members for invites for one or all of your alts. There's almost always someone on who can do guild invites.

Enix, are you sure you're not thinking of Redridge Mountains? Westfall didn't strike me as overly silly with all the homeless refugees from the Scourge war and the daughter of Van Cleef burning down Sentinel Hill while trying to avenge her father's murder.

Enix wrote:

@Leo: Yes, feel free to ask GWJ-A members for invites for one or all of your alts. There's almost always someone on who can do guild invites.

Thanks for the heads up!

On another note, I've been really enjoying the pet battle stuff more than I thought I would. It's cool coming back to the few rare pets I collected up to WotLK and actually *doing* something with them now. I <3 you even more now, Phoenix Hatchling! And I was thinking the pet battle stuff would be low on my list of things to like. I guess I like just having them account wide and playing lowbies while leveling my pets as well...

Slacker1913 wrote:

Enix, are you sure you're not thinking of Redridge Mountains? Westfall didn't strike me as overly silly with all the homeless refugees from the Scourge war and the daughter of Van Cleef burning down Sentinel Hill while trying to avenge her father's murder.

I think I'm thinking mainly of the CSI questline, which (iirc and maybe I'm not) had a few pretty terrible jokes. But, yeah, it gets pretty serious about mid-way through.

Enix wrote:
Slacker1913 wrote:

Enix, are you sure you're not thinking of Redridge Mountains? Westfall didn't strike me as overly silly with all the homeless refugees from the Scourge war and the daughter of Van Cleef burning down Sentinel Hill while trying to avenge her father's murder.

I think I'm thinking mainly of the CSI questline, which (iirc and maybe I'm not) had a few pretty terrible jokes. But, yeah, it gets pretty serious about mid-way through.

Ah, you're right. I totally forgot about that part.