Advise me: New Receiver (A/V)

So, I have a Onkyo TX SR 606.
Yeah, the one whose HDMI board likes to die.

Which it did.

No HDMI signals coming in from any input on any HDMI plug.
All sources work fine plugged direct to TV, all cables work.

It's definitely the Input on the HDMI board.

There's a fix - you can buy a bunch of 1000 uF capacitors(or is it resistors? I forget) and replace the ones on the board. Except I suck at soldering and have no place to work on it.

So, I need a replacement, preferably not expensive.
I need at least 3 HDMI inputs, more would be better, of course. Really, another TX SR 606 would be great, if I didn't have to worry about the HDMI board.

Sony is out, I'm still boycotting them. Other than that, I'm not sure what to say.
Help me out?

Denon AVR-1612? Or is that too expensive at $350?

That's about what I paid for my onkyo a couple years ago.
I'm trying to decipher why the 1611 is 50$ cheaper, but amazon is not fun on my phone.

I have a Denon 791, which is basically the same as the new 1712 model. I like it very much, I have had no issues and it sounds great.

The difference between the 1611 and 1612 is:
1611: 7.1 setup or can be run with a second zone
no direct ipod connection
1 component input
1612: 5.1 setup
direct usb ipod connection
No component inputs
There may be some minor differences in electronics/surround modes etc.

They both have 4 hdmi inputs, moving up to the 1712 model gets you 7.1 and 6 hdmi inputs.

Oh, Hell. I need at least one or 2 set of component or is it composite ?
My Wii has to go somewhere.

The idea of a 2nd zone is appealing, just not sure when I'd get around to running wire outside, esp. with summer basically over.

Have now: Tivo(hdmi), DVD(hdmi), ipod(component or composite I forget), Wii(non hdmi)
Getting soon: Xbox 360 + Kinect
Maybe sometime: outdoor speakers, laptop lookup(hdmi + audio)

Is xbox hdmi? Does that inventory help?

Oh, also, an old ps2 I might hook up for Burnout 3 and Simpsons.

New xbox slim hdmi, wii is component or composite your choice.

Component inputs are the red/blue/green video inputs(3 wires) plus red/white for audio.
Composite is the old standard yellow video input(1 wire) plus red/white for audio.

Moving up to the 1712 will get you 2 component inputs and 1 component output.

Ideally, all inputs will get routed out a single hdmi out to my tv.

Thanks for the cable clarification.

duckilama wrote:

Ideally, all inputs will get routed out a single hdmi out to my tv.

Definitely the way to go. Just make sure the receiver supports that with proper scalers, etc.

I've been pretty happy with my Onkyo 805 once I did the firmware update to fix the digital "bomb" thing that existed on the early ones. But the thing runs so hot, I've always thought it wouldn't enjoy a long life.

Since getting mine, I've seen a lot of issues with reliability of Onkyo being discussed all over, so I'm kind of scared to buy a new one whenever I need to move on.

Well, I had good luck with my Onkyos, but the Denons I replaced them with run much cooler. Their warmer sound signature (a little less treble) also matches my speakers better, but that's definitely a YMMV thing.

Malor wrote:

Well, I had good luck with my Onkyos, but the Denons I replaced them with run much cooler. Their warmer sound signature (a little less treble) also matches my speakers better, but that's definitely a YMMV thing.

I've got very forward sounding speakers (Klipsch RF's). So it would be interesting to hear the difference.

Ooo, my old crappy box system Aiwa dropped it's power supply a few weeks ago.

That Denon AWR1712 looks incredibly nice for the $400 tag (and I need the component for the Wii).

Thanks ducki for asking and other for answering!

LilCodger wrote:

Ooo, my old crappy box system Aiwa dropped it's power supply a few weeks ago.

That Denon AWR1712 looks incredibly nice for the $400 tag (and I need the component for the Wii).

Thanks ducki for asking and other for answering!

Yeah, the 1712 was real nice. I ended up getting the 1912 recently - Airplay & Network Connectivity were the main differences. But - I believe the 1712 has some advantages. More component hookups, better upscaling (or possibly having it at all - I'm not sure the 1912 does), and I think it has a better Audyssey setup program. I'm thrilled with the 1912, so I'd imagine the 1712 is just as good and that's a great price.

I'll give a no-holds recommendation on the 1712, but as I've stated before I'm a Denon fanboy. For me the 1712 was a much better option over the 1912. Like billt says, the 1912 is more of a kitchen sink approach so it sacrifices in other areas to not compete with the next model up. If you don't really need the network functions, the 1712 is a better roots receiver and cheaper to boot.

[Edit] Oh, one catch that isn't Denon-specific: the 360 has a quirk with HDMI audio that persists even to the Slim. At times it won't kick over to Dolby Digital and the AVR stays in Dolby Pro-Logic. This is only at startup and once switched it's fine for that powered up session. I've noticed that Hulu and Netflix will bump it back over to DD, but otherwise you have to go to the Console Settings -> Digital Ouput and flip it over to Digital Stereo then back to DD 5.1. Seems most people eventually get annoyed enough with it to just go back to use an optical cable for audio. Like I said, it's not related to Denon, the forum thread I found the issue discussed was actually about Onkyo. This is just a heads up incase you end up running the 360 over HDMI.

[Edit2] It just dawned on me that I've never seen that sync issue with my Denon 790 and 360 Elite down in the basement. I don't know what the difference is but the 1712 has more HDMI functions so maybe it's related to the processing involved.

LiquidMantis wrote:

Like I said, it's not related to Denon, the forum thread I found the issue discussed was actually about Onkyo.

I have never seen that happen on my Onkyo 805.

EDIT: Wonder if it's something to do with handshakes and orders things are powered.

Looks like this is the thread I originally read. I was wrong, the OP is about a Denon but most of the thread is posts from Onkyo people. On the first page people are mentioning Onkyo 605, 705, and the 805. Not sure what the magic trigger is though.

MannishBoy wrote:

EDIT: Wonder if it's something to do with handshakes and orders things are powered.

I was wondering about this too. I've got Harmony Ones in each so I don't know the macro order. It might have something to do with HDCP handshaking though.

LiquidMantis wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:

EDIT: Wonder if it's something to do with handshakes and orders things are powered.

I was wondering about this too. I've got Harmony Ones in each so I don't know the macro order. It might have something to do with HDCP handshaking though.

I've got a Harmony One as well. I do know if it misses the AVR power on signal that the Xbox will turn on and not completely boot without the handshake.

Also, I typically use "pure audio" mode with no processing going on.

I've got very forward sounding speakers (Klipsch RF's). So it would be interesting to hear the difference.

Ooh, I bet you'll really, really like Denon. My main music speakers also have strong treble, and I actually had to turn treble down on the 801 or it would hurt my ears. They sound awesome driven by a Denon, especially with Audyssey Flat room correction running.

My main HT speakers are much warmer, and I think they sounded maybe a little nicer on the Onk.

Not sure if it matters but I'm not an audiophile. I like having real speakers hooked up to the tv, and I like being able to run everything through the received so I don't have to hear my crappy tv speakers. Aside from occasional handshake issues between the onkyo 606 and my Tivo and my tv, it did way more than we ever used. I don't even know what that mumbo jumbo you guys were sayin about speakers meant.

Still reading reviews and enjoying the advice. I'm surprised at how limited the inputs are on so many amps.

If it makes any difference, I've been eyeing up Onkyo receivers for a while, and will probably be buying surround as the family gift for Christmas, and will probably be picking up the 360 model they just launched; I'm pretty sure it has enough inputs to handle everything you're talking about.

I am not an AV guru, but I just bought a receiver in July. Did a lot of reading and research. Ended up getting last year's Yamaha 867 for around $400 (was like 800 when it came out). You get a lot of receiver for the price - loads of HDMI, component, etc hookups, and it's networked. Might be a little hard to find now, but I've read of people still finding it for $300-400 at Best Buys, HH Greggs, and Newegg. I love it A LOT. Everything goes through the receiver, and have an old $50 Harmony 350 remote that works like a champ. We have a 4 speaker setup (yeah, I know, weird), which sounds great, and the following hooked up to it: Panny Plasma, HD Cable DVR, Roku, Blu-Ray player, XBox 360, Wii. I can control it with my PC or phone, which is nice when I just want to listen to music when I'm playing PC games. Highly recommended.

AnimeJ wrote:

If it makes any difference, I've been eyeing up Onkyo receivers for a while, and will probably be buying surround as the family gift for Christmas, and will probably be picking up the 360 model they just launched; I'm pretty sure it has enough inputs to handle everything you're talking about.

I used to recommend Onkyo, but as this thread might imply, the HDMI board crapping out is an almost frighteningly common thing at this point. It's all over the AVS forums. Ryan even mentioned his failing on the latest Giant Bombcast.

Hard to recommend them over Denon given that and the generally equivalent pricing on models with similar features.

Thin_J wrote:
AnimeJ wrote:

If it makes any difference, I've been eyeing up Onkyo receivers for a while, and will probably be buying surround as the family gift for Christmas, and will probably be picking up the 360 model they just launched; I'm pretty sure it has enough inputs to handle everything you're talking about.

I used to recommend Onkyo, but as this thread might imply, the HDMI board crapping out is an almost frighteningly common thing at this point. It's all over the AVS forums. Ryan even mentioned his failing on the latest Giant Bombcast.

Hard to recommend them over Denon given that and the generally equivalent pricing on models with similar features.

Good to know. So for the general populace of where I'm at(Southwest Ohio, will go east to C-Bus or South to Cincy), any suggestions on local stores I can hit up? Amazon is not long on Denon with Prime shipping.

AnimeJ wrote:
Thin_J wrote:
AnimeJ wrote:

If it makes any difference, I've been eyeing up Onkyo receivers for a while, and will probably be buying surround as the family gift for Christmas, and will probably be picking up the 360 model they just launched; I'm pretty sure it has enough inputs to handle everything you're talking about.

I used to recommend Onkyo, but as this thread might imply, the HDMI board crapping out is an almost frighteningly common thing at this point. It's all over the AVS forums. Ryan even mentioned his failing on the latest Giant Bombcast.

Hard to recommend them over Denon given that and the generally equivalent pricing on models with similar features.

Good to know. So for the general populace of where I'm at(Southwest Ohio, will go east to C-Bus or South to Cincy), any suggestions on local stores I can hit up? Amazon is not long on Denon with Prime shipping.

http://www.audioetc.tv/

Centerville. Long time Denon dealer. I knew many folks who purchased things from them growing up. Don't remember anyone having a bad word to say.

Does that mean you're coming home soon?

Yep, I'm in the double-digit days and single digit percents, hoping to be back before turkey day. Centerville's pretty close too, I'm right off Wright-Patt in Fairborn.

Thanks much for the tip, will most definitely stop by there.

I ordered my receiver from Crutchfield, and couldn't be happier with the experience. The shipping was fast and free, and they have a better return policy than Amazon.

Crutchfield is expensive, but I have always heard excellent things about them. If you don't mind paying list price, they're probably the single best audio retailer.

Audio, however, tends to be a high-margin environment. It's quite common to be able to get receivers for WAY less than retail. F'r instance, I paid about half price for my lower-end Denon, and about a third retail price for my higher-end one, by buying a demo unit of a prior retail year online. This meant it had quite a bit of use, but damn it was cheap. Still works fine.

I haven't compared prices, but you might look at jr.com or onecall.com. I've had good luck with both over time, but haven't checked prices in several years. Also Beachaudio.com has good prices sometimes, but I've never done business with them.

I know jr.com well, they're here in downtown Manhattan. If they have what you need, chances are, you'll get a good price. But their shady return policies make me shy away from purchasing anything substantial from them.