[trailer] Avengers! My day is made

On that subject that's being spoiler tagged:

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I think Coulson needs to die. Otherwise it feels cheap if they bring him back for future movies. Want someone to connect them all again? Use Maria Hill, since she had so little to do in this one. I liked that they went that route. It gave the heroes purpose beyond their own egos, and I feel if they were to keep Coulson alive, it would simply negate all that. Is it plausible? yeah, sure. But it would totally suck. I think in order for the movieverse to stay as cool as it is, he needs to remain dead.

kexx wrote:

On that subject that's being spoiler tagged:

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I think Coulson needs to die. Otherwise it feels cheap if they bring him back for future movies. Want someone to connect them all again? Use Maria Hill, since she had so little to do in this one. I liked that they went that route. It gave the heroes purpose beyond their own egos, and I feel if they were to keep Coulson alive, it would simply negate all that. Is it plausible? yeah, sure. But it would totally suck. I think in order for the movieverse to stay as cool as it is, he needs to remain dead.

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Oh, I'm totally hoping he's dead, it adds more to the stakes of future conflict, the possibility of actual death.

And Quintin, I'm not sure if we saw the same film. Plot was not a real concern of the film, it felt like an excuse for character interaction.

El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:

And Quintin, I'm not sure if we saw the same film. Plot was not a real concern of the film, it felt like an excuse for character interaction.

Isn't... wait... isn't that kind of part of the point of a plot? To give characters a reason to interact?

I see comic/hero movies as falling in one of two general camps, now that they're really finding their legs: the cerebral/psychological side (Nolan's Batman series), or the action/'splodey side (Iron Man 2). I found the Avengers movie to be more in the latter camp, but it does it REALLY well-- the action was strong, the plot was visible (and could be followed without eye rolls or wincing), the characters were well acted and well fleshed out for the screen, and there were plenty of fan-service moments (read: mostly Hulk moments, but they were SO BAD ASS!). This movie is just solid in almost all aspects, and adding up those aspects makes it one of the best comic/hero movies I've seen in a VERY long time.

So the movie was awesome - had a fantastic time. Can't wait to see it again in the theaters.

Taco, I don't quite get what you're saying.

Saw it tonight, really great film. My concerns that the scenes would need to be laid out awkwardly to have everyone else actually materially help Thor in any way were mostly alleviated. At the very end it did require a bit of suspension of disbelief that either Thor didn't clean up better or that the others (minus Hulk) were able to help at all, but it was a manageable amount, and the climax was still very awesome.

I may spend this weekend playing some of that Marvel superhero game on the Xbox, I'm in the mood now.

I loved it!

There was a shot in there that I don't think I've seen in an action movie before. It was a POV shot from inside an empty cab, while the alien guys were shooting up the streets. The camera stayed in the cab, screen framed by the front windshield as the aliens flew by shooting. Then a nearby explosion made the cab roll over and the windshield cracked as it turned upside-down. Something about the execution of that shot really impressed me.

Another impressive thing about the film was that except for a very few intentional moments of wild camera swinging, the action shots were very easy to follow, it was always clear what was going on and what characters were involved. That is something so rare in action films that it's worth paying attention to.

The amount of character development was amazing, too. For as many characters as Whedon had to deal with, he somehow made each one of them individual and more than just a costume.

My only disappointment was in the plot resolution at the climax, it was a bit too pat.

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Oh by the way, while I was mind controlled I managed to sabotage Loki's army teleportation device.

I'll be watching it again to see what I missed.

The second post-credit scene was awesome.

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So.... tired....

El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:

Just a note regarding Agent Coulson:

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It is possible that he's not dead. That his trading cards were on his person, not 'in his locker', where they were supposed to be, combined with the fact that he's apparently still potentially involved with Iron Man 3, makes me think that it could have been a robot double or something dying in his place. It's also very possible that that's nonsense, but even the Wikipedia summary of the film is hesitant to report him as actually deceased.

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That didn't occur to me til I read your post. Come to think of it, Fury did use the phrase "Life Model Decoy" at an earlier point, which seemed out of place to me at the time. Nick Fury is a manipulative bastard when he needs to be, and killing off a LMD Coulson to motivate the Avengers would easily fit within his character. That said, as much as I like the guy, I hope Coulson really did die. If it turns out to have been an android, one of the most powerful scenes would be cheapened.
edit to add: I was sort of hoping to see a reunion between Steve Rogers and the senior citizen version of Sharon Carter. Maybe they're saving that for Cap 2, or maybe the scene came off creepy and they nixed it all together.

Loved the movie, can't wait to see it again Saturday night.

Well damn.

Running Man wrote:
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edit to add: I was sort of hoping to see a reunion between Steve Rogers and the senior citizen version of Sharon Carter. Maybe they're saving that for Cap 2, or maybe the scene came off creepy and they nixed it all together.

Loved the movie, can't wait to see it again Saturday night.

This may interest you:

http://screenrant.com/the-avengers-d...

Also:

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There's talk amongst fans of Coulson coming back as the Vision... It sounds implausible, when you consider the amount of setting-up that would need doing (creating Ultron, him somehow gaining access to- and choosing- Coulson's memories for his assassin, but I guess it wouldn't be too far-fetched considering Marvel's love of returning characters.

Oh... gweneth paltrow... damn she just keeps getting better looking.

ranalin wrote:

Oh... gweneth paltrow... damn she just keeps getting better looking.

I liked the interplay between her and RDJ. They did such a good job with characters. Tony Stark morphing into Tony Stark the reluctant team member was really fun. Hulk was definitely great. And I agree with Jeff (of Totally Rad Show) that they shouldn't do anymore individual movies. I was in an audience of adults (a 21 and over beer and food theater) that actually clapped. Including lots of wives/girlfriends. So I think everyone would be on board for a couple more good quality Avengers movies. They should resist doing Thor 2 or Captain America 2, though, IMO.

One thing that's kind of amazing is how much they were able to get out of characterizing each individual. I felt this was the best Iron Man movie. Captain America was perfect. This was the best Hulk movie. This was the best Thor movie (with the help of the much-needed backstory).

kexx wrote:

Looking back, I'd have to say that for me:

Iron Man / Avengers
Norton's Hulk
Thor
Iron Man 2
Captain America

Out of Marvel's comicbook movies.

It's funny, but I had the exact same thought the other day with the EXACT same order. I just saw Norton's Hulk 3 weeks ago. And when I saw it I remember thinking that I really felt that I enjoyed / was moved more by that movie than Thor or Captain America.

I don't get the dislike for Captain America. I haven't seen Thor, but otherwise I thought it was the best of the single character movies, outside Iron Man. I got halfway through the Norton Hulk before I got bored and turned it off.

Hey Nathanial, just be aware that you can't spoiler images. ;P

Great film, had an awesome time, and it's definitely fun in a full theater as everyone was having a blast.

Make sure and stay til the end of the credits.

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I know this schwarma spot about two blocks from here

That movie blew me away. So many badass moments. And Agent Coulson is the Honey Badger of SHIELD. He just does not give a sh*t. And credit to Joss Whedon as well. There were several little things that had his fingerprints all over it that I loved.

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1. The humanizing of SHIELD agents. The bridge officer playing a video game. Coulson's trading cards. However, Johannson really stole the show. I'm not talking the sexual tension between her and Hawkeye. It was a couple of little things. Her composure being rattled when she finds out which Avenger she's picking up. And after escaping the Hulk, cowering in fear of just how close to being smashed. Little things that make them more relate-able.

2. Iron Man calling Potts as he's directing the Missile and her not picking up. Most other movies would have a heavy conversation but sometimes we don't get to say goodbye.

3. The fact that Thor tried to save Loki from the beginning.

How has no one mentioned:

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THANOS!

Infinity Gauntlet here we come! I thought those guys at the beginning had a Thanos feel to them and I wonder if we are going to be getting more cosmic Marvel action from here on out.

nel e nel wrote:

Hey Nathanial, just be aware that you can't spoiler images. ;P

I spent about 15 minutes picking out my favorite pic of that character too.

I think my favorite moment was

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Loki thinking he could start monologuing to the Hulk...

DSGamer wrote:

One thing that's kind of amazing is how much they were able to get out of characterizing each individual. I felt this was the best Iron Man movie. Captain America was perfect. This was the best Hulk movie. This was the best Thor movie (with the help of the much-needed backstory).

Definitely was a movie where the whole (characters in Avengers) was better than the sum of its parts (characters in their own movies). For instance, one of my favorite scenes:

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That awesome moment when they've finally assembled but are still leaderless. Then Cap starts barking out orders, even telling the Hulk what to do. SMASH!

Oh man, I want to see this again so bad!

NathanialG wrote:

How has no one mentioned:

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THANOS!

Infinity Gauntlet here we come! I thought those guys at the beginning had a Thanos feel to them and I wonder if we are going to be getting more cosmic Marvel action from here on out.

Well, I didn't recognize him.

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Wasn't reading Marvel when Thanos was in action so I'm not familiar with him. His face being red, I thought maybe it was the Red Skull again, who was transported somewhere at the end of Captain America. Though Red Skull doesn't have the ridged jaw that Thanos has.

My wife turned to me and said, "Are we supposed to know who that is?" I shrugged and said, "I think it's the Red Skull from Captain America?"

Quintin_Stone wrote:
NathanialG wrote:

How has no one mentioned:

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THANOS!

Infinity Gauntlet here we come! I thought those guys at the beginning had a Thanos feel to them and I wonder if we are going to be getting more cosmic Marvel action from here on out.

Well, I didn't recognize him.

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Wasn't reading Marvel when Thanos was in action so I'm not familiar with him. His face being red, I thought maybe it was the Red Skull again, who was transported somewhere at the end of Captain America. Though Red Skull doesn't have the ridged jaw that Thanos has.

My wife turned to me and said, "Are we supposed to know who that is?" I shrugged and said, "I think it's the Red Skull from Captain America?"

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From the quick-glance, the only character my non-comic-reading brain could think of was Hellboy

What were you people DOING in the 90s?

To be honest,

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I missed out on the Thanos/Infinity Gauntlet arc as well (was around the time I was falling out of love for comics in general, before I got back into them in 2004). The only reason I recognized Thanos was because I asked my friend who that pinkish dude that cheated so much in the first Marvel vs Capcom game was, and he then explained (with pictures!) the Infinity Gauntlet stuff.

I've never heard of that character, so even if I'd stayed for the credits it would have been over my head.

NathanialG wrote:

What were you people DOING in the 90s?

Reading mostly Image and Wolverine.

I went to this yesterday afternoon, and absolutely loved it! Joss Whedon FTW! So many good moments, and yes the Hulk stole the show but thankfully wasn't the only good thing about the movie either. His stuff was just priceless in a movie full of awesome. Finally seeing a great portrayal of the Hulk on screen was so gratifying, I think I was most worried about that character. I wasn't sure how good Rufallo was going to be. I wasn't a really big fan of either of the Hulk movies, and when I heard they had cast yet another person to play that character I was annoyed, but Ruffallo played a great Bruce Banner.

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The best Hulk moment for me was the scene where he and Thor were walking through the rubble all heroic like and he sucker punches Thor. Obviously still not quite over the last fight they had. The whole theater roared with laughter. For me that small moment was just slightly better than the one with the Hulk and Loki, which was hilarious as well.

If I had one niggle about the movie and it's a tiny one. I think the transition from the Hulk being this uncontrollable ball of rage willing to smash anything and anyone, to even a semi controllable team member who listens to Captain America shout orders before letting loose was kind of out of nowhere. There was some small talk between Bruce Banner and, I can't remember who, where they suggest that Banner might be able to control himself as the Hulk if he was willing to try, and then the moment we get with the security guard after the fall where it was alluded that the Hulk consciously chose that empty building to crash down onto. I just don't think it was enough. I would have loved to have seen maybe a small moment post fall where we see the Hulk crash down to earth and is set to continue his rampage only to stop himself for some reason, like he is about to smash a family and doesn't.

Anyways like I said it was a tiny thing and really did not diminish how truly awesome the movie was.

My first viewing of the movie was a wonderful none 3d version. I couldn't believe my theater was actually showing a non 3d version! I plan on going to see it again. The next time however I think I may try the Imax 3d. What about everyone else? How did you see it? 3D non 3D? If you saw the 3D how would you rate the 3Dness of it? Good, Bad, didn't see the point?

I saw the 3D version, because that's the only one that I could get in to see. I have up to this point avoided 3D movies. It didn't give me a horrible headache, but it also didn't make me change my mind about avoiding 3D in the future. There were more than a few moments where the 3D effect actively distracted from the movie. Maybe that would be better with a movie that was shot in 3D instead of post-processed into 3D, I dunno.

Gaald wrote:

I went to this yesterday afternoon, and absolutely loved it! Joss Whedon FTW! So many good moments, and yes the Hulk stole the show but thankfully wasn't the only good thing about the movie either. His stuff was just priceless in a movie full of awesome. Finally seeing a great portrayal of the Hulk on screen was so gratifying, I think I was most worried about that character. I wasn't sure how good Rufallo was going to be. I wasn't a really big fan of either of the Hulk movies, and when I heard they had cast yet another person to play that character I was annoyed, but Ruffallo played a great Bruce Banner.

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The best Hulk moment for me was the scene where he and Thor were walking through the rubble all heroic like and he sucker punches Thor. Obviously still not quite over the last fight they had. The whole theater roared with laughter. For me that small moment was just slightly better than the one with the Hulk and Loki, which was hilarious as well.

If I had one niggle about the movie and it's a tiny one. I think the transition from the Hulk being this uncontrollable ball of rage willing to smash anything and anyone, to even a semi controllable team member who listens to Captain America shout orders before letting loose was kind of out of nowhere. There was some small talk between Bruce Banner and, I can't remember who, where they suggest that Banner might be able to control himself as the Hulk if he was willing to try, and then the moment we get with the security guard after the fall where it was alluded that the Hulk consciously chose that empty building to crash down onto. I just don't think it was enough. I would have loved to have seen maybe a small moment post fall where we see the Hulk crash down to earth and is set to continue his rampage only to stop himself for some reason, like he is about to smash a family and doesn't.

Anyways like I said it was a tiny thing and really did not diminish how truly awesome the movie was.

My first viewing of the movie was a wonderful none 3d version. I couldn't believe my theater was actually showing a non 3d version! I plan on going to see it again. The next time however I think I may try the Imax 3d. What about everyone else? How did you see it? 3D non 3D? If you saw the 3D how would you rate the 3Dness of it? Good, Bad, didn't see the point?

I saw it in 2D, very happy for it. I absolutely loathe 3D and glad my theater was showing just as many times.

I agree with your thoughts on the Hulk Gaald, that did 'kinda' come out of nowhere.

And to cosign Hypatian's sentiment, while I don't get headaches or anything from 3D, it did nothing to enhance the experience. Save your money.