How's work been?

fangblackbone wrote:
I’m not looking to move my family or sell my home, so I’d be living in an apartment during the week and going home on weekends.

That sounds like the premise for most of the cheating/revenge stories invading my youtube feed lately ;P

36 weeks is a lot. Just know that experienced professionals are commonly taking 1-2 years to find new work.

Also I am guessing that 36 weeks is a hell of a lot more than they are willing to cough up for relocation.
Is the commute from your home to Houston and back on weekends even viable? Is there a train or something so you don't have to sit in traffic?

It's a 3-ish hour drive each way. No trains in Texas (unless it's freight)

I've done the math, and based on my position, and how "valued" I've felt through this whole thing, I'm going to go with severance. I turn 50 this year and I'm an IT Director at a Fortune 50 company, so I'm confident/hopeful I can find another IT Management job in San Antonio even if there's a pay cut. With some of the long-term program vesting that happens immediately on severance, I don't have to worry about my children's college funds. One starts college and the other is starting high school in the fall. Ideally, I can find another position during severance.

My mental health is worth a potential cut. Besides the process, and being told they'll watch me under a microscope if I do the weekly commute (nice), the Houston office is more of a viper pit, and the isolation of being in an apartment will take a toll on me. I'm not terribly social, but I like my home and having my family around, and take that away, and I really think I'd be miserable after a few months.

Gave my decision to take severance and told some of my business customers. Now I’m hearing one guy is going to talk to his VP to see if I can stay for a year and my boss mentioned possibly officing me out of an acquisition building to keep me.

Nice to be wanted, but I feel like inserting the “Just when I thought I was out” image.

Still holding on the class action suit against YRC/Yellow for owed vacation/personal/sick time, along with violation of the WARN act, which in New York is 60 days warning before business goes out. Not a lot of money, but $3,000 to $5,000 is a chunk of change. I've been working since the initial 3 months of "the transportation/trucking/shipping industry picks up again," and I've been working steadily on my 3rd choice job since January. I like working.

Hemidal wrote:

Gave my decision to take severance and told some of my business customers. Now I’m hearing one guy is going to talk to his VP to see if I can stay for a year and my boss mentioned possibly officing me out of an acquisition building to keep me.

Nice to be wanted, but I feel like inserting the “Just when I thought I was out” image. :)

The org that won't fight to keep you until you're possibly leaving doesn't deserve your loyalty.

Sources:

1) years in HR

2) recently gave notice, then told all kinds of stuff about how they would improve my work/life balance

Good businesses stop these conversations before they get started.

Yeah I spent 18 months getting promised a promotion, then got one... with a group of others, so they capped our promotion and I was still underpaid... and then 9 months later got laid off.

Should have been looking harder for something new after the fake promotion.

Hemidal wrote:

Gave my decision to take severance and told some of my business customers. Now I’m hearing one guy is going to talk to his VP to see if I can stay for a year and my boss mentioned possibly officing me out of an acquisition building to keep me.

Nice to be wanted, but I feel like inserting the “Just when I thought I was out” image. :)

Yeah, dude, take the severance and bounce. Run, Forrest, run!

Hemidal wrote:

Gave my decision to take severance and told some of my business customers. Now I’m hearing one guy is going to talk to his VP to see if I can stay for a year and my boss mentioned possibly officing me out of an acquisition building to keep me.

So, one way to handle this is to offer a polite ultimatum. You make a take-it-or-leave-it offer for a fixed period that compensates you at a level you'd be happy with. You'll convert to a private contractor (which I don't mind telling you adds a ton of mental headache sorting out taxes, insurances of various stripes, and general accounting hassle) with a specified engagement period at a high rate which makes you happy.

If they say "no, too expensive," or "no, we don't work like that" then you just say fair enough and move on. If they agree to it, you get a period of time where you're making great money and a known target exit time to have a new job lined up. I saw this strategy employed with great success during a large outsourcing program at a giant company I used to work at. There were two people absolutely critical to production operations who were being removed, and no matter how much we screamed at the powers that be that they couldn't go, we got back a flat "IBM is handling that now." They had a quiet chat, took the package, and then each made an offer to come back as private contractors making almost 10 times what they were being paid before with a guaranteed year of 40 hour weeks and lavish overtime clauses and full-time work from home back when nobody got to work from home. A little over a month after the changeover, with everything completely in flames, both were brought back with their every demand met.

Obviously, the more critical you are, the more demanding you can be. Calculate the cost of losing the clients you'd reasonably expect the business to lose with your departure and you'll be doing the same math that your employer will be doing after they read your offer. Important thing is to explain that this isn't a negotiation, just an option for them to consider.

Finally a good job interview Friday with positive feedback. Perhaps an offer next week... it's only a contract position but I have heard this company will hire if they like your work after the 6 months. Already got the last severance check from layoff this month so no time to be picky.

And then I went to a friend's kids birthday party and met someone at their company who was talking about hiring developers, so sent her my resume from my phone right then. Maybe something will pop up from that too. Would be amazing to have something full time, and they work remote.

Should be an interesting week one way or the other.

That’s really positive news, Stele!

++(That’s really positive news, Stele!)

-BEP

Great news Stele! Break a leg!

Labcorp bought out the laboratory services where I work(ed) at my hospital last year and management had one-on-one sitdowns with us before the transition where one of the concerns that I raised is that Labcorp is sort of infamous for it’s shady billing practices and has been repeatedly sued for billing fraud.
At the very last moment I accepted a promotion into a different part of the hospital and avoided transitioning to Labcorp.
Clearly the universe has an innate sense of irony though as I had some standard employee health bloodwork done for the hospital by the now-Labcorp services, which is normally covered by the hospital, but which Labcorp has been trying to bill me for the last several months, and are now threatening to go to collections over. I talked with my hospital’s employee health department after the first notice but they haven’t been able to get Labcorp to respond to them about payment, meanwhile Labcorp keeps sending me increasingly angry invoices.
Labcorp sucks y’all.

EDIT: and this is just a minor personal annoyance, Labcorp has been disastrous for my hospital. Tons of specimens are getting lost because they send sh*t all over the country instead of handling it mostly in-house like my lab used to do, wait times both for collection and results are through the roof, they’re sending results to the wrong Dr’s and there have also been issues with the results themselves, with some Dr’s complaining about getting duplicate testing with contradictory results off the same specimens. I cannot emphasize enough how much Labcorp sucks.

I’m leaving my job at the end of June. It’s very much a mutual decision; my boss and I are increasingly at odds with how to move forward. The truly lovely part is that everyone I’ve told has reacted the same way: “Ah, %*#!” Makes me feel really good about the positive impact that I’ve had here.

(Also, if anyone’s looking for a remote software director/senior manager type, let me know. )

A week later and still no job. Apparently the manager who wanted to hire me, his boss was out on vacation most/all of the week, so no offer came.

There were 2 other remote opportunities that my recruiter saw on Thurs though, and was trying to get me submitted for an interview.

Then a random RDU recruiter from a different company reached out on LinkedIn about a 1-day-a-week hybrid opportunity. Would be a long ass 1:45 each way drive, maybe more in traffic. But after talking through it they liked my background and want to have an interview next week.

At least things seem to be in motion, getting momentum, having more interviews. Something is bound to click soon.

Meanwhile I signed up for unemployment now that I got my last severance check. So that was a super pain in the ass, probably to deter people from doing it. Now that I've wasted several hours on forms and ID verification and other stuff... I'm hoping I'll get a job and only be able to draw 1-2 weeks of benefits. That's how it usually works, do a bunch of work for one thing and then something makes it irrelevant right?

And they took the cheap out of college person of course, for budget.

Still, interview tomorrow for that RDU thing. Maybe this one will work.

Ageism is very real Stele. But you probably already know that.

fangblackbone wrote:

Ageism is very real Stele. But you probably already know that.

Yeah my company released a blanked out list of employees with position and age to prove the hundreds of lay offs were not all old people.

Mostly this seems to be a money thing... I think. But whatever. Onto the next.

Ageism can often be mixed up with cost of the employee. A young worker right out of college will cost a lot less then a 50 year old with 25 years of experience. The 50 year old gets laid off because he is expensive, not because of his age. The company usually loses more value then that employee's cash value, but that doesn't show up on paper.

The cost is directly related to the age/experience.

I know that certain staff in a previous firm were viewed a certain way (negatively) because of the impact on margin. Have a more costly resource? Hard to quantify impact to quality on a spreadsheet; where is the Excel formula showing that the 25y experience of a project manager "adds value" when cell AB shows up less than cell AC?

Its why I absolutely loathe metrics managers. Even if they say they understand the x factors, they don't and if they do in some part, they always dismiss it showing only superficial understanding.

Stele wrote:

Then a random RDU recruiter from a different company reached out on LinkedIn about a 1-day-a-week hybrid opportunity. Would be a long ass 1:45 each way drive, maybe more in traffic. But after talking through it they liked my background and want to have an interview next week.

So interview one went very well. And the manager said no, that's too far for once a week. I can just come on for big monthly meetings or quarterly or something. So that's super awesome. Basically like my previous job 98% remote, with a handful of trips to the office per year.

And interview 2 with the Dev team is Monday. So we're moving quick. Good or bad, I'll probably know something by Tues.

That's awesome! And I love a manager who is open to remote work and willing to acknowledge that's too far to commute regularly.

Break a leg Stele!

Good Luck!
Sounds like it might be a great fit.

Stele wrote:
Stele wrote:

Then a random RDU recruiter from a different company reached out on LinkedIn about a 1-day-a-week hybrid opportunity. Would be a long ass 1:45 each way drive, maybe more in traffic. But after talking through it they liked my background and want to have an interview next week.

So interview one went very well. And the manager said no, that's too far for once a week. I can just come on for big monthly meetings or quarterly or something. So that's super awesome. Basically like my previous job 98% remote, with a handful of trips to the office per year.

And interview 2 with the Dev team is Monday. So we're moving quick. Good or bad, I'll probably know something by Tues.

That’s fantastic!

So I have been in my own head for the past few days.
Our Director of Media/Technology etc is retiring.
Rather than replacing them there was talk of creating 'working leader' positions for some of the groups they managed instead. Cybersecurity, Managed Services, Teacher Librarians. The Agency posted internal transfer offers and a bunch of us applied.
Then the Governor's Condition of the State speech dropped, along with a draft bill that gutted every service provided by the Agency except Special Education, fired every manager and installed hand-picked Department of Education supervisors instead.
Many weeks of fighting, educating, and an unprecedented pushback from constituents across the state and a slightly watered down version of the bill was all they could push through even with a super-majority in both chambers. It's a complicated mess and it breaks many of the support structures that the Agency provided. Media and Technology were hit hard, losing essentially all funding. But since the new law didn't wipe us off the map entirely the job postings were opened again and I received a contract to become the Coordinator of Cybersecurity Services starting July.

So, now I am the incoming manager of a department that has standing expenses, staffing costs, contracts, obligations... but essentially no funding starting July 1 unless we can convince Districts to contract with us for services.
On top of that there is a mandate in the bill to establish equity of service across all the regions of the state. Whether the districts want it or not. Which is a great way to start a sales pitch.

I don't even have the official title yet, but next week I am meeting with members from the other regions of the state to figure out how to expand our service area into their districts. Somehow, with negative two months experience I've been flagged as a thought leader on this issue and it's not as if I suffer from imposter syndrome already.

Sometimes I regret quitting alcohol.

Rezzy, that sounds really rough. I’m sorry you’re going through that, and I hope it turns out better than it kinda sounds like it might.

LastSurprise wrote:

That's awesome! And I love a manager who is open to remote work and willing to acknowledge that's too far to commute regularly.

fangblackbone wrote:

Break a leg Stele!

Rezzy wrote:

Good Luck!
Sounds like it might be a great fit.

Thanks all. It seemed to go really well. We finished in 40 minutes. They were out of questions, I asked the couple I had... said they would give feedback to manager.

No weird questions that stumped me or anything. No stupid things I said that I'm regretting or lingering on. Feels... good?

Hopefully word in the next day or two.

GOT IT!

I AM "WITH JOBS" AGAIN.

Thanks for all the support everyone. Starting Tues after Memorial Day. So anybody wants to play some games let's hit it for the next 12 days.

Congrats!