The current made-up work trend everyone's writing articles about this week is "Quiet Quitting" and it's the dumbest goddamn thing on earth.
It's literally just doing your job, and nothing more. Do just the work you were hired to do, then go when your shift ends. No doing other people's work on top of yours and no staying after the time you are supposed to leave. And apparently, it’s “quitting”
EDIT: At worst, it's a rebrand of "Work to Rule" strikes.
The current made-up work trend everyone's writing articles about this week is "Quiet Quitting" and it's the dumbest goddamn thing on earth.
It's literally just doing your job, and nothing more. Do just the work you were hired to do, then go when your shift ends. No doing other people's work on top of yours and no staying after the time you are supposed to leave. And apparently, it’s “quitting”
EDIT: At worst, it's a rebrand of "Work to Rule" strikes.
However, TikTok users have a tendency to relabel pre-existing behaviors, cultural traditions and common knowledge as new trends.
As The Independent‘s culture writer Clémence Michallon described it, “‘Quiet quitting’ is another way of saying you have healthy boundaries with your boss.”
I will say that it does describe the last 6 years of me at my job, after being denied a raise because I wasn't volunteering to cover for people who called out sick or went on vacation.
In unrelated news, I have been at work for 150 minutes so far today.
I've done... perhaps 35 minutes of actual work.
EDIT: four and a half hours at work! Perhaps 90 minutes of effort.
The thing is Bob, it's not that I am lazy, It's that I just don't care.
It's a question of motivation. If I work my ass off and ship more units, I don't see another dime.
How have you all handled salary negotiations for new jobs? (Not asking for a raise, when changing emoloyers)
How have you all handled salary negotiations for new jobs? (Not asking for a raise, when changing emoloyers)
Stated the salary of the job I was leaving, asked for "a modest increase from that baseline".
How have you all handled salary negotiations for new jobs? (Not asking for a raise, when changing emoloyers)
Stated salary of then-current job, asked in faux Italian accent "Make me an offer I can't refuse", found horse head in my bed, didn't take the job because not my horse.
Shouldn't you take the job BECAUSE it wasn't your horse's head? I don't think I would want to work for a company that severed MY horse's head...
Top_Shelf wrote:How have you all handled salary negotiations for new jobs? (Not asking for a raise, when changing employers)
Stated the salary of the job I was leaving, asked for "a modest increase from that baseline".
Generally not recommended, by the by. The more standard line is to pick what you want and start from there. What you were getting paid at a previous employer should have no bearing on what your future salary should be, and mentioning it will only anchor the negotiations.
Really good advice: https://www.askamanager.org/category...
Shouldn't you take the job BECAUSE it wasn't your horse's head? I don't think I would want to work for a company that severed MY horse's head...
I'd probably be more inclined to take a job where getting head was a perk.
Not really, but couldn't resist it.
Jonman wrote:Top_Shelf wrote:How have you all handled salary negotiations for new jobs? (Not asking for a raise, when changing employers)
Stated the salary of the job I was leaving, asked for "a modest increase from that baseline".
Generally not recommended, by the by. The more standard line is to pick what you want and start from there. What you were getting paid at a previous employer should have no bearing on what your future salary should be, and mentioning it will only anchor the negotiations.
Really good advice: https://www.askamanager.org/category...
Wasn't what I was doing picking what I want to start from there? Like, the point was to anchor the negotiations.
You have a point about the previous employer, but in my case, I was still employed there while job-hunting, so it was a case of "if you ain't gonna beat what I'm CURRENTLY getting paid, I ain't gonna quit to come work for you."
That's fine if you (generic) already know you weren't being underpaid at your old job, but the reason it's not generally recommended is that a lot of people dont even realize that they're being underpaid.
Participants were asked whether, if they had to move to a similar job in a different company within the next three months, they would earn more, less or about the same. About half said they believed they’d earn pretty much the same salary. But when those beliefs were compared to the actual salaries being earned by some of their former colleagues it was clear these beliefs about potential future salaries were distinctly pessimistic. Most of their former colleagues actually reported seeing “large positive wage changes” on moving jobs, according to the paper.Additionally, about half of those surveyed believed they were earning roughly the median pay for their occupation, but in reality only 20% of people were. The others were earning far more or far less and, strikingly, people in the lowest-paying firms were also the least likely to believe they could earn more elsewhere.
Shouldn't you take the job BECAUSE it wasn't your horse's head? I don't think I would want to work for a company that severed MY horse's head...
A company that can't even decapitate the right horse lacks operational efficiency, big red flag!
More seriously: I did communicate my then salary to my current employer (and other benefits, Belgium has a rather complex system) and asked not for a specific amount but for a proposal that showed respect.
They made an offer that increased my wage by 10% effectively, which I honestly could not refuse 
Chumpy_McChump wrote:Jonman wrote:Top_Shelf wrote:How have you all handled salary negotiations for new jobs? (Not asking for a raise, when changing employers)
Stated the salary of the job I was leaving, asked for "a modest increase from that baseline".
Generally not recommended, by the by. The more standard line is to pick what you want and start from there. What you were getting paid at a previous employer should have no bearing on what your future salary should be, and mentioning it will only anchor the negotiations.
Really good advice: https://www.askamanager.org/category...
Wasn't what I was doing picking what I want to start from there? Like, the point was to anchor the negotiations.
You have a point about the previous employer, but in my case, I was still employed there while job-hunting, so it was a case of "if you ain't gonna beat what I'm CURRENTLY getting paid, I ain't gonna quit to come work for you."
I think it depends on what you're currently being paid. From my (albeit small, anecdotal) experience, a potential employer will use that as a way to offer to underpay you a little less, instead of pay you what you deserve.
But if you're already being paid a good rate, then yeah, 100% make sure the potential future employer knows it.
For reference... I was recently made unhappy at my last job and knew I was underpaid.
I live in a low cost of living area but have an annoyingly rare but useful skillset as a polymer engineer. I was getting 100k and assumed (based on googling salaries and whatnot) I should be getting near 120. I asked for 130 instead of the 140 I wanted to ask for based on some apparently bad advice... they gave me 150... So basically I did it sort of right... still got it wrong... and failed upward.
I hope that helps.
Edited spelling.
Jonman wrote:Wasn't what I was doing picking what I want to start from there? Like, the point was to anchor the negotiations.
You have a point about the previous employer, but in my case, I was still employed there while job-hunting, so it was a case of "if you ain't gonna beat what I'm CURRENTLY getting paid, I ain't gonna quit to come work for you."
I think it depends on what you're currently being paid. From my (albeit small, anecdotal) experience, a potential employer will use that as a way to offer to underpay you a little less, instead of pay you what you deserve.
But if you're already being paid a good rate, then yeah, 100% make sure the potential future employer knows it.
I guess my position was fairly unique. I knew I wasn't underpaid, and working for Boeing in the PNW means that any engineering recruiter already has a fairly good estimate of what you're getting paid anyway. Certainly the company I'm now working for is full of ex-Boeing folk.
Can definitely be situational. I knew what I was applying for would pay less than what I make currently. I told them what I make -- and they moved mountains to get as close as possible. Now I have about the same money and lots of upside!
Relatedly, I'm leaving my 19 year employer. Burnt out and done here for years. Need something new with upside and opportunity.
In TV market size is everything, and I get to jump 76 markets (Toledo -> Dallas) and work for an O&O. I am equal parts ecstatic and terrified.
Situation:
Am getting an offer from Company A today. I am planning on taking a couple biz days to consider with family. Am waiting on Company B to make an offer. B has previously told me an offer was inbound...only to change this yesterday changing title and who I'd report to (a bigger boss) and asking for another (fifth!) interview. Per Glassdoor, B will pay significantly more (25% or maybe even 40%?). I have told B I have other offers coming (I have been a hiring manager and have missed out on talent when we were too slow). My preference job-wise is B. I also have another leader at B who wants me for a different job who has said they'd hire me if B1 doesn't work out. Generally, I am a "bird in hand" kind of person, but also may regret not waiting for the "better" job. For those who like to approach decisions in a quantitative way: 100% * A Salary = X. 50% * (A*1.4) = .7*X
Of course, I don't know if my odds at B are really at 99% and this is a (slow moving) formality.
Question:
Given the above, what advice would folks be willing to share?
Funny. You mention Company A at the beginning, then talk entirely about Company B and it's virtues.
I think you know what you should do...
The problem is that company B hasn't made an offer yet, right? We know how much offer "promises" are worth...
Neither has "A". Wait for both, then unless something terrible has happened, go with B. Or B2. Whichever one appeals the most.
Neither has "A". Wait for both, then unless something terrible has happened, go with B. Or B2. Whichever one appeals the most.
Yep, A can wait on the offer a bit for you to get a firm decision from B. If they can't... that also tells you something.
Robear wrote:Neither has "A". Wait for both, then unless something terrible has happened, go with B. Or B2. Whichever one appeals the most.
Yep, A can wait on the offer a bit for you to get a firm decision from B. If they can't... that also tells you something.
Thanks. Is this a thing people do? A has told me they'd like an answer in a week.
I've been in the same institution my entire career, so don't know how folks navigate this.
Tell them you can probably get an answer in a week, but that you might need to extend a few days. They should not freak at this. It's not a big deal.
Tell them you can probably get an answer in a week, but that you might need to extend a few days. They should not freak at this. It's not a big deal.
Got it. Thanks Robear!
There's a lot of uncertainty/anxiety in our house over this big change so it helps getting outside perspective.
On the plus side, A would be giving me +65% raise. So that's great!
And they can't give you a timeline if they haven't given you the offer yet.
If they question you further, just be positive. Remind them that it's a huge decision and you just might need a few extra days to think on it. You don't have to tell them there's another player.
Good point.
I did get the formal offer from A. It is a good offer and I would enjoy working there.
I reached out to B to ask them about my candidacy and informed them I have a competing offer.
I still prefer B but I cannot in good conscience turn down this large of a raise for my family. Sure would like to know what B would offer though (fully expect it to be larger, it's a higher ranked position with more authority/stress)!
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