How's work been?

Wordy, you son of a bitch! Your old job was that bad, and still you sent me a listing for a job there?!

My day job: kinda meh.

But on the freelance side, I was one of around 30 people who worked on this and it's kicking ass on Kickstarter right now, so that's been cause for celebration today. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...

Nice!

Is there a word for when you think they want to fire you but for some reason they want to make you to quit rather than just fire you?

Stealthpizza wrote:

Is there a word for when you think they want to fire you but for some reason they want to make you to quit rather than just fire you?

Constructive dismissal in the worse case...

I think of it as a phrase... "Dude, why is your desk on the stairwell landing now?"

Stealthpizza wrote:

Is there a word for when you think they want to fire you but for some reason they want to make you to quit rather than just fire you?

Miltoned

Stealthpizza wrote:

Is there a word for when you think they want to fire you but for some reason they want to make you to quit rather than just fire you?

Not sure if there's a word for it, but I went through this with my last job. They basically said, "You have six months to prove you're worth your salary." And tried to have me become a fully-fledged programmer with no training or support on their end. We think they were trying to make it so sh*tty for me that I'd leave without a severance since I was there for nearly a decade. Stuck it out and got that severance though.

If they're making it sh*tty for you, and you think they're doing it to force you out, it's a tough call. If they let you go you'd hopefully get some kind of severance, but at the expense of your mental health.

Is there a word for when you think they want to fire you but for some reason they want to make you to quit rather than just fire you?

Modern Capitalism?

But seriously, even if you never actually use it to sure or whatever, document everything. At the very least, some of those things can become amazing accomplishments for your resume and to detail in interviews.

Wasn't Milton already fired though?

Good to know there is a word and it is not German.

kazar wrote:

Wasn't Milton already fired though?

Nah they just fixed the glitch.

Stealthpizza wrote:

Is there a word for when you think they want to fire you but for some reason they want to make you to quit rather than just fire you?

There's a Seinfeld arc about that. They try locking George out of his office and private handicap bathroom.

Work has been a journey. The small AI/ML startup I’ve been working on for the past 8 years was just purchased by Microsoft. I’ve never worked for a big company before.

Had it happen to me twice. First with IBM and now with Oracle.

It’s harder to stand out in the larger companies. Really just feel like a number at times. So raises and bonuses are few and far between as they have to go through several layers of tape to get approval.

It takes about 6 months before the companies figure out what they purchased. if the product your working on is a money maker - like 10m or more you should be good. If not they’ll most likely phase out those products as it’s not worth it.

Your company will likely tell you nothing will change or it’s a good thing. There will be a lot of assurances. It’s somewhat BS. In both my instances the CEOs were gone within a few months. You’ll find a lot of upper management leave or be let go. In the IBM take over we ended up going from about 100 employees down to maybe 20. The Oracle takeover was much better as the company was making some good money so most employees were kept. But I was on two different projects that got sun setted by Oracle before being put on the money maker.

It’s not all bad though. Might have better health insurance, 401k investment choices , and they may offer some other perks you didn’t have before. And the best thing is if the management you are familiar with sticks around things hopefully won’t change too much.

The avalanche is getting close.

The organization I work for got a new president early this year, who pretty much reversed a lot of institutional priorities right off the bat. Staff started leaving, especially people who had been working remote, but my department kept chugging along more or less as before.

Until this week. The team member who had been there the longest just told us he's leaving. Even if we could find a capable replacement quickly (which I doubt), that's a lot of institutional knowledge and important relationships going away.

I've been casually looking for something else, but we've also been migrating our CRM database from a legacy platform to the new vendor's current product and I'd wanted to see that project through. Except that go-live on the new database was originally scheduled for mid-September and keeps getting delayed. (sigh)

Now my direct supervisor has accepted another offer, and pointed me to a job posting at the company she's going to.

That's good of them. Probably time to go.

misplacedbravado wrote:

Now my direct supervisor has accepted another offer, and pointed me to a job posting at the company she's going to.

When life points you towards a different lemonade stand...

PurEvil wrote:
misplacedbravado wrote:

Now my direct supervisor has accepted another offer, and pointed me to a job posting at the company she's going to.

When life points you towards a different lemonade stand...

...piss in the lemonade at the stand you're leaving first?

Jonman wrote:
PurEvil wrote:

When life points you towards a different lemonade stand...

...piss in the lemonade at the stand you're leaving first?

All I know is that the VP tells me it's raining.

kuddles wrote:

Struggling with my current dilemma. A former colleague reached out about a job. At the very same time, I'm reaching a stressful tipping point at my current one.

We've lost a few contracts recently because of something that was missed in our submissions. While I'm the last one involved in the process, the issue is for the past two years I have continued to get things way too late in the process to prepare and review things properly. I don't feel like I'm being given the brunt of the blame either. However, it still leaves a pit in my stomach because (a) I don't know if this will ever change - the learned lessons seem pointless if the same underlying cause happens again next time; (b) At this rate, it may only be a matter of time before I do take the brunt of the blame; (c) Also can't deny that possibly a small part of the problem is a feeling like I'm just grinding at the job leading me to not do it as well.

The new job would be kind of a lateral move. They would pass my current salary but couldn't match it combined with the profit sharing I have so it'll be pretty even, although to be fair with our business not doing as well, that might not be the case for much longer. However, the work would be much different from what I've been doing the last decade. It's just a question of will I find it invigorating and challenging, or will I suck at it and/or hate it. And of course, if I don't fit in the job environment, I will probably be able to find another job in my field but because of market factors it would be at a lower pay.

Yeah, so that's my current mental struggle of whether to take the risk or stick with the devil I know. Usually the answer is obvious to me, but this one is less clearcut. The plus is that the person offering it is taking a week's vacation so I have a while to mull it about.

As expected, even making a pros and cons list came out even.

Well, a lot of movement happened on this since I posted.

I got offered the formal job but after the third interview I started getting nervous. This seemed to be a huge company with a lot of bureaucratic rules even beyond what I thought.

I decided the least I could do was talk to my boss. Not in a "make me a counteroffer" way, but in the "I owe it to you to talk about my future at your company before making a decision".

It went way better than expected. Apparently she really values me on the team and thinks my frustrations are valid. She instantly offered me a 20K raise and a promotion where I will have new responsibilities which includes leading my team and I'm in charge of changing the communications processes that I feel have been bringing the company down. So I kind of got what I wanted - staying with the small company I love, but getting new challenges I can add to my resume.

In case you think this is just a humblebrag, I can assure you that my anxiety of whether or not to change jobs has been replaced with anxiety trying to prove I'm worth the new position.

Well sounds like a good boss. Good luck.

Except the boss could have been paying them $20k more all along and didn't.

Sometimes they (and you) need the justification. But grats! $20K is amazing. You can do this!

I think one of my coworkers was quietly let go for refusing to comply with the company vaccine mandate. I don't know for sure, but no one voluntarily leaves the company in mid November and he has been very vocal about his intentions to fight it.

Robear wrote:

Sometimes they (and you) need the justification.

Yes. To be fair, my boss has been reasonable the whole time, and I get raises every year during my annual review, so I can't complain there. And I always had the inkling I was already in the position to replace another executive once they retired. The issue is everyone seemed to think this person was going to retire other than said person herself.

So it was less a "I need to make an ultimatum to get you to respect me", and more a "I've passed 40 and am worried that I will stay in a role I'm overqualified for while getting no new experience, which means I'm both getting bored and will be screwed if I need to find a new job." I think she just didn't realize exactly how frustrated I was getting.

I wasn't picturing ultimatum, just a sort of recognition of being ready for a new challenge. I'm glad your boss recognized your abilities and stood up for you.

Paleocon wrote:

I think one of my coworkers was quietly let go for refusing to comply with the company vaccine mandate. I don't know for sure, but no one voluntarily leaves the company in mid November and he has been very vocal about his intentions to fight it.

Yeah I have a few 'fighters' in my group... I hate the forced mandate as I think its overreach, but damn if they bothered to mask properly and actually give a sh*t we wouldn't be here.

The only reason jobs don't require measles and other vaccines is that all k-12 schools do. So they see you got a high school diploma and assume you got your vaccines too.