How's work been?

Well I have a dilemma at my new job of 9 weeks.

A merger is bringing more people to our team so we are over capacity and they are asking us newer hires if we want to transfer.

The new team is actually working on some interesting stuff migrating our software to the cloud. I would get some kind of AWS certification and experience that would be valuable for future jobs.

My main concern is that I love my current manager. After having two horrible managers for very different reasons at my previous job this is a blessing. She values work/life balance, is an expert on the software we are developing, and is super supportive of working remotely when needed just to name some highlights. I've been really happy with my time so far.

So do I risk a comfortable happy job for some uncertainty, but also new tech and resume building for my future? Happy now or happy later? Maybe both, maybe the new manager is good too. But it's a risk.

Also change is hard and I've been through a lot of turmoil the last 3 months changing jobs. Just starting to feel comfortable and do I want the stress of more change?

Have you talked about it with your current manager? Since it sounds like you trust her and think she values things that are important to you, she may be able to give you good advice about the pros and cons of transferring.

I am in line for a promotion, which is awesome. But the corporate mandate is that in order to qualify for an internal advancement I have to fulfill the role for 3 - 6 months as an effective manager "in name only" to make sure I can handle the load and succeed before the promotion is granted.

Roughly translated that means "Hey, take on this additional responsibility and stress without compensation for 3 - 6 months so we're sure you can take this".

I've got a bad feeling about this....

That seems like a cheap ass way of saying, "You will have a one-time, six-month review after ranking up so we can assess you didn't just Peter Principle."

I love your reference to the "Peter Principle". So good, and in practice, I feel like it's so true. I can't tell you how many people I have interacted with that are clearly in their position because they've succeeded to the limit of their abilities, and are now out of their depth.

mrlogical wrote:

Have you talked about it with your current manager? Since it sounds like you trust her and think she values things that are important to you, she may be able to give you good advice about the pros and cons of transferring.

Yes that was yesterday afternoon after meeting with the new manager. She has worked with him and reassured me that he's done a good job. She also would be happy if I stayed and isn't forcing anything. Someone has to go though.

I've spoke briefly with some of the other newish people too and it seems not all have been asked yet. So maybe I should be taking it as positive that they asked me first, thinking I'm a good fit.

Every friend from my previous jobs I've reached out to last night or this morning all think it's a great opportunity. Good for long term career. Are they all wrong or am I just scared of change again?

It's a leap of faith, Stele. It's natural to be scared. It does sound like a GREAT opportunity though.

Yes, I'd say go for it! You could always at some future point get back into a position with the current manager if you really needed to.

I made the leap into cloud 4 years ago, and it helped my career move forward. There were some rough patches in there (What do you do exactly? was the most common one since all of my work was off prem) but otherwise, worth it. Being able to work from anywhere as an IT guy is really nice.

ThatGuy42 wrote:

I am in line for a promotion, which is awesome. But the corporate mandate is that in order to qualify for an internal advancement I have to fulfill the role for 3 - 6 months as an effective manager "in name only" to make sure I can handle the load and succeed before the promotion is granted.

Roughly translated that means "Hey, take on this additional responsibility and stress without compensation for 3 - 6 months so we're sure you can take this".

I've got a bad feeling about this....

That’s really common in my line of work, and it’s so rubbish.

Still have a gig but I've been seriously on the hunt for 6 months and on and off for really 2.5 years.

I'm exhausted, and getting tired of the

You are very qualified but we went with someone with more direct experience in our stack

responses.

Veloxi wrote:

It's a leap of faith, Stele. It's natural to be scared. It does sound like a GREAT opportunity though.

bekkilyn wrote:

Yes, I'd say go for it! You could always at some future point get back into a position with the current manager if you really needed to.

athros wrote:

I made the leap into cloud 4 years ago, and it helped my career move forward. There were some rough patches in there (What do you do exactly? was the most common one since all of my work was off prem) but otherwise, worth it. Being able to work from anywhere as an IT guy is really nice.

Thanks all. And yes, bek, my current manager actually reassured me saying that if it didn't work out she'd be happy to take me back.

So I'm making the jump, probably starting next week. Future, ho!

Misread that a "more experience in the sack", and wondered what the hell kind of jobs you were applying for.

boogle wrote:

Still have a gig but I've been seriously on the hunt for 6 months and on and off for really 2.5 years.

I'm exhausted, and getting tired of the

You are very qualified but we went with someone with more direct experience in our stack

responses.

Sorry.

For what it's worth, Portland is one of the worst places when it comes to that. I feel like employers in this market have gotten used to the hundreds of people moving here every month and they can wait for the perfect person that doesn't need to be trained on a single thing.

I got turned down for a job last week because even though I knew everything in the stack I knew Angular, but not React, which is only a small part of the job. Okay....

Yeah I mean its a mix of that or getting turned down after take homes or getting told to reapply in 3 months when they are hiring more because they JUST LOVE my application.

DSGamer wrote:

For what it's worth, Portland is one of the worst places when it comes to that. I feel like employers in this market have gotten used to the hundreds of people moving here every month and they can wait for the perfect person that doesn't need to be trained on a single thing.

I got turned down for a job last week because even though I knew everything in the stack I knew Angular, but not React, which is only a small part of the job. Okay....

This sounds like a guarantee to always ensure you get someone who is either flat-out lying or ridiculously overconfident about the amount of specific knowledge they have, and are actually not an expert on anything.

After 11,5 years at the same software licensing company, I'm seriously thinking of finding a new gig for the very first time. I started here as an internal sales, became unofficial team lead, moved to pre-sales, team-lead of pre-sales and then... who knows?

I felt and still feel a bit spoiled and entitled to be complaining, as I'm paid very well, have great benefits and don't need to be afraid for my job. But all that matters in the end is how I feel about getting up and driving to work.

I'll spoiler the rest, because it has turned into an unintentional rant.

Spoiler:

It's been a rough year, after losing a huge contract that comprised 60% of our margin and revenue. Two months later we were acquired by a competitor as well. I was more than willing to fight, but a complete lack of direction from the upper echelons has sapped all energy away.

Global and local management keep talking about converting to a 'service company', which I totally get from a market position level. All major ISV's are moving towards direct (cloud) subscription contracts and more technically savvy consulting partners, slowly decreasing the margins we're allowed to make as a licensing expert.

But you cannot just say 'we're a service company now', put 30% of our target and thus potential bonus on services, and then just leave us to our own devices. Sure, we're developing our own IPs and actually have some decent to good solutions for license management, but we're still giving up our own USP as the best licensing expert to become a mediocre service provider among dozens others at best. And again: I WAS really stoked to fight the fight, but...

I'm REALLY tired of management throwing nonsensical bullsh*t at us whenever we ask for... any direction at all. This passive aggressive thing of being absurdly optimistic (losing 60% of margin is an opportunity! we value our people! the customers are just begging us to sell services!), just throwing meaningless 'company culture' terms in our faces, and then shifting the blame because 'we just don't believe enough' is just... tiring. I mean, when we signal severe issues in Operations because we cannot hire replacements during the merger but we also cannot use our new overlord's ERP/CRM system yet we get an 'Entrepeneurship is in our company's DNA, take charge and solve it!' as a reply. So tell me, what's YOUR job as a manager than? I actually agree that many of my colleagues are all too eager to forward specific issues and should take more initiative, but structural issues should still be up to management no?

And than there's the management's lying, denial of anything spoken but not written which forces us to get everything on e-mail. Or that our new overlords have a 'flat structure' company culture, and that our manager without any warning threw into a company presentation that our team lead functions no longer exists. Yeah, we found out about that the same time as our team members. And afterwards he tried to sell it to us as 'the function no longer exists in the company's blueprint, but the role still does!' So basically: I don't have the balls to tell you the bad news or stick to my guns, but please keep all your responsibilities and stress without compensation.

About that 'flat structure', dear God does that ever spike my bullsh*t-o-meter. If someone has the power to fire me on the spot, than that person is NOT my equal. No matter how jovial, outgoing and approachable he/she is. As far as I can tell, it's just an easy way to shift responsibility to the plebeians (see entrepreneurship above) and simultaneously provide cover and self-denial on any actual management issues.

So yeah, time to spruce up that old CV and start applying. I'm scared sh*tless, feels like I'm in the dating game again after 20 years of marriage.

ThatGuy42 wrote:

I am in line for a promotion, which is awesome. But the corporate mandate is that in order to qualify for an internal advancement I have to fulfill the role for 3 - 6 months as an effective manager "in name only" to make sure I can handle the load and succeed before the promotion is granted.

Roughly translated that means "Hey, take on this additional responsibility and stress without compensation for 3 - 6 months so we're sure you can take this".

I once worked at a place where this was attempted on me.

Me: "Ok, then if I am confirmed in the position, I want to be retroactively paid at the new salary and bonus rate for the duration."
Big Boss: "That's impossible. There's no way we could do that."
Me: "In that case I'm happy continuing as an individual contributor."
Big Boss: "You don't want the position?"
Me: "I do, just not under those terms."

A week later we met again and they waived the "trial period" nonsense and I went directly to the new role.

You don't have to go along with this sh*t, as long as you're prepared to handle the potential consequences of taking a stand. Do they really need you in that position? Do you know if they're likely screwed without you? Do they have any other viable candidates, or will they need to search outside for months?

Companies love to throw policies at you. It's all noise so they can abdicate responsibility for hosing people. Where there's a will, there's a waiver.

@Mr Crinkle, I'm glad you brought that up. Because I love to negotiate over everything. I actually came in here to post news about what has happened since. Firstly, on negotiation, I had a second meeting with my boss and said that I absolutely want this, and I'm set on moving up. But, I've been under a ton of stress and need to be able to have some compensation and relief. He agreed to give me a significant spot bonus that will show up in my next paycheck, and approved a 4 day weekend next week. Yay!
But secondly, in moving up to the next level of management it really does mean that I need to push my direct reports up. So, for the next project that we're working on I delegated the presentation to the steering committee that I would normally run down to the lead engineer on the team. Today, he knocked it out of the park. I was so proud.
Some days I really do love my job. I'm sure I'll be back within a week venting about something else, but let's just enjoy today.

I get an email today "Just so you know, your number doesn't show up in the corporate directory."

I check PeopleSoft, I see my Work, Work Cell, and Personal Cell listed and my Work number marked Preferred.

I chat with IT live chat and describe the problem. "Don't mark your Work number preferred, the system doesn't like that."

I uncheck preferred, save and get hit by the "At least one number must be preferred" error message.

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So I added a "Main" number, copy/pasted my Work # into it, and marked it preferred.

Now I get to wait 24-48 hours to see if it worked. I hate that trying to be a good citizen and having complete records backfires. Stupid.

I get an email today "Just so you know, your number doesn't show up in the corporate directory."

I check PeopleSoft, I see my Work, Work Cell, and Personal Cell listed and my Work number marked Preferred.

I chat with IT live chat and describe the problem. "Don't mark your Work number preferred, the system doesn't like that."

I uncheck preferred, save and get hit by the "At least one number must be preferred" error message.

headDesk.gif

So I added a "Main" number, copy/pasted my Work # into it, and marked it preferred.

Now I get to wait 24-48 hours to see if it worked. I hate that trying to be a good citizen and having complete records backfires. Stupid.

At least one post must be preferred.

New job is still awful. This is only the third week and I'm not sure how much more time to give it. I could wait until the project's done and see if things improve, but I'm not sure it's even worth it. If I do quit, I'm still obligated to give two weeks notice so that's annoying. I'm also worried that I'm just going to go from job to job, never being happy.

I’m a self-taught software engineer and I’ve been at a small company that must have taken a chance on me for about 3 years. The company is doing well and is going through an expansion and pay is going up. Work is hard but I enjoy most of what I do and the people there.

The only downside is that we use a proprietary language that I use for the majority of my work. I’m worried that’s going to hinder future opportunities, but at the same time I’m also fiercely loyal to the company and the trajectory of the company looks good to my untrained eyes.

So I'm finally done with the anxiety and uncertainty of looking for a new job. Now I get to be anxious and uncertain about doing well at the job.

But hey, if I'll be anxious either way I'd prefer to be paid to be anxious, so that'll be nice.

Best of luck!

Currently on month nine of being a contract employee. I’ve had three interviews at another department, my most recent one yesterday. Interview went so-so. I really like the company, and my wife has benefits so I’m OK with being a contractor for now, but I’m really starting to feel the strong need to cease to be a contract worker I’d like it to be at this company though, and I just have no idea how long it’s gonna take

bnpederson wrote:

So I'm finally done with the anxiety and uncertainty of looking for a new job. Now I get to be anxious and uncertain about doing well at the job. :P

I just love the first 6 month period of a new job where every time my boss asks to speak to me I assume I massively f*cked up in some way.

So yah, finally got my manager/director's feedback from my second quarter review(they call them T Times, not really a review) and got some nice compliments: "we have a small but highly efficient Team, your guidance and assistance with many complex data problems is key" Also due to ongoing work I do that saves the company real money: "Over a million in savings due to tight monitoring of usage, fantastic!" Though in hindsight, the second almost sounds like what you would see on the back of a book or dvd case as a critics review....

Anyway, that made my day yesterday to get that, a month shy of 20 years, working for the same boss to feel like a valued employee.

So this morning I had an interview with another company. Things were going well until my phone blew up with constant nonstop calls. Someone had applied the wrong patches to one of my servers essentially breaking it, and the on-call person didn't know how to fix it.

Fortunately things were wrapping up, and I could show the company I was interviewing with what was going on, how in demand I was, and why I was looking to leave.

I drove to the office, absolutely miserable, feeling like it was yet another thing that is going to prevent me from getting a job I want, and that I just can't escape the job I'm in. I walk in the door and was greeted with the worst smell. As I walked up the stairs I had to watch my step as apparently someone with a bad case of diarrhea had left a trail as they made their way back out of the office and to their car.

It put things into perspective. As crappy as my day already was, it wasn't that crappy.