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My employer, who by all marks is offering me a great job with good benefits, hosts a quarterly meeting which is mandatory for the whole company. We're a small company (less than 40) and the goal is to maintain transparency and keep everyone informed about strategies like marketing and product info etc.

For the last year or so, I've basically been bored our of my mind at the meetings. Like, I just don't really care about the info that's being provided. The question it's bringing me to, is if this is a sign that I should be looking for some other kind job? I love my co-workers, and the work is great, I guess I just don't really care about, or "believe in the product enough" (really not sure how to convey the feeling...).

Anyone else been in a similar place or have thoughts/experiences they don't mind sharing?

skylarhawk wrote:

My employer, who by all marks is offering me a great job with good benefits, hosts a quarterly meeting which is mandatory for the whole company. We're a small company (less than 40) and the goal is to maintain transparency and keep everyone informed about strategies like marketing and product info etc.

For the last year or so, I've basically been bored our of my mind at the meetings. Like, I just don't really care about the info that's being provided. The question it's bringing me to, is if this is a sign that I should be looking for some other kind job? I love my co-workers, and the work is great, I guess I just don't really care about, or "believe in the product enough" (really not sure how to convey the feeling...).

Anyone else been in a similar place or have thoughts/experiences they don't mind sharing?

This is a hard one, I have been there where I just stopped caring. Sometimes it is the work, family life, unbalance causing issues, stress or other issues, or something else entirely. Definitely try to narrow in on what is causing the issue, it could take some time and really lay it out to a career mentor or here if you feel like it. It could take 2 weeks or 2 months. Good luck!

skylarhawk,

I worked at a Fortune 500 company where there was a 7:00am meeting every quarter that was mandatory. The meeting was a 3 hour meeting going over the quarterly earnings report and bringing in people from other areas of the company. I never got into the "rah-rah, go us!" vibe of the meeting. It's hard to get excited about the stock going up $0.25 when they laid off half your co-workers to achieve that "cost savings" and you're working 12 hour days. The company thought it was so important that when they built their new headquarters, they made sure there was an auditorium in the basement to hold as many people there for that meeting as possible, and after the quarterly earnings report the auditorium would be booked solid for a week and a half as each department had the same unfortunate meeting. You could look around the room, and see all the managers mentally taking attendance, and I found out first hand that it gets noticed if you pulled out your laptop to try and tackle the mountain of work facing you so you didn't have to stay until 8:00pm.

I didn't last long there, but then again, I never had the other things you mentioned. I didn't have work that engaged me, or co-workers I even liked, let alone loved, so you have to take the good with the bad.

So if you were just simply asking "Is the grass greener elsewhere where I might not have to have these types of meetings" the answer is probably not. Even my current job has quarterly Town Hall meetings, though they're usually held 60-90 minutes, and focus more on talking about what the strategy is, what projects are important, and celebrating what we've done, so they're not so bad as what I had at the previous job.

skylarhawk wrote:

For the last year or so, I've basically been bored our of my mind at the meetings. Like, I just don't really care about the info that's being provided. The question it's bringing me to, is if this is a sign that I should be looking for some other kind job? I love my co-workers, and the work is great, I guess I just don't really care about, or "believe in the product enough" (really not sure how to convey the feeling...).

Anyone else been in a similar place or have thoughts/experiences they don't mind sharing?

I an im Operations IT, and I don't know what you do skylarhawk, so take the following with a huge grain of salt:

I generally don't care about the product of whatever company I'm working for at the time (even now). I just can't muster up the "give a sh*t" factor beyond the "Is it working? Do I know how to diagnose it to repair it if it breaks? Do I understand it enough to replicate the infrastructure and improve it?" and so on. I care that I'm getting paid a fair wage, and that I have opportunities to train, learn and improve on my craft. I don't ever do a sub-par job as I take pride in my craft.

On the plus side, it means things like product pivots, product changes, access stuff, what customers the business has and such things don't bother me at all (yes there are a very very small number of exceptions). Are they paying us money that keeps me getting paychecks? Great. The CEO just came up with some crazy ass idea and wants work to start on it? Ok.

On the negative side, it means I'm also not as invested in the company. I just don't care enough about the product, which usually leads to targeting by management because I'm "not invested" and don't work more than 40 hours a week unless I'm on call or there's an emergency when others, who are more "invested", will work 5 10's or 5 12's to get stuff done. If it's an emergency, I'll absolutely fix the problem, and work as long as it takes to get it done.

Ugh, we have 3-4hr meetings, every month - boring AF. Sometimes we even "cut them short" (ie: don't hit everything on the agenda) so we don't go past noon.

I work for a global Pharma company, so lots of big "town-hall" sorts of meetings. If you don't want to be an executive or on the marketing/sales team, you don't really need to love the final product.

If you're enjoying the day-to-day that's far more beneficial to both you and the company, at least IMO. Caring about your final product is nice, but not really mandatory. I've never had a boss tell me that he wished we all cared more about the company. He just wants me to be doing my specific job well.

I agree with Skiptron. It is usually good that a company is trying to keep its employees in the know about different parts of the company. I've worked places where my job felt like I was out on a far away pedestal and did not really like being so uninformed. At my current company they also record these types of meetings and you can watch it later if you can't/don't wanna attend.

Now, if they are laying people off all over the place then feeding people lies at these meetings than I would be very unhappy about the company.

skylarhawk wrote:

My employer, who by all marks is offering me a great job with good benefits, hosts a quarterly meeting which is mandatory for the whole company. We're a small company (less than 40) and the goal is to maintain transparency and keep everyone informed about strategies like marketing and product info etc.

For the last year or so, I've basically been bored our of my mind at the meetings. Like, I just don't really care about the info that's being provided. The question it's bringing me to, is if this is a sign that I should be looking for some other kind job? I love my co-workers, and the work is great, I guess I just don't really care about, or "believe in the product enough" (really not sure how to convey the feeling...).

Anyone else been in a similar place or have thoughts/experiences they don't mind sharing?

Quarterly mandatories are something that has been enshrined as "good management" by people with degrees in business. The degree of goodness is entirely dictated by the people running the meeting. I've been to ones that have guest speakers from elsewhere in the copmany who provide a fascinating insight into an aspect of the business that we'd otherwise be unexposed to (folk from the futurist/prognostication/very early in the product lifecycle departments are always a safe bet). I've been to others that are a tedious waste of time. I've walked out of one that was presented by the lobbying department that was encouraging us as employees to contact our Congresspeople on behalf of the company (fffuuuucccck that).

Hobear wrote:
skylarhawk wrote:

My employer, who by all marks is offering me a great job with good benefits, hosts a quarterly meeting which is mandatory for the whole company. We're a small company (less than 40) and the goal is to maintain transparency and keep everyone informed about strategies like marketing and product info etc.

For the last year or so, I've basically been bored our of my mind at the meetings. Like, I just don't really care about the info that's being provided. The question it's bringing me to, is if this is a sign that I should be looking for some other kind job? I love my co-workers, and the work is great, I guess I just don't really care about, or "believe in the product enough" (really not sure how to convey the feeling...).

Anyone else been in a similar place or have thoughts/experiences they don't mind sharing?

This is a hard one, I have been there where I just stopped caring. Sometimes it is the work, family life, unbalance causing issues, stress or other issues, or something else entirely. Definitely try to narrow in on what is causing the issue, it could take some time and really lay it out to a career mentor or here if you feel like it. It could take 2 weeks or 2 months. Good luck!

To clarify as I misread your post and didn't see it was also about the meetings. Honestly I can never focus at these unless I force my self or if I do give a damn about the subject matter. Sometimes I try to practice listening as I need to exercise that skill regularly in my job for meetings I have to attend and focus on, not just multitask.

Work you enjoy/you want to be at is definitely different than going to corporate pep meetings. Some of my advice above still applies. But if all else fails telling your self in the mirror you're not your job always works

Edit: All to often I feel the following represents corporate meetings I need to attend.

If you can't buy into the product might as well shop around. I have been there when my boss sings my praises but I am so disengaged I am possibly doing more damage to my professional growth. At a past job I would often bring a book to read when I was bored at work. But there were toxic areas I was probably coping with by wiggling out of work and feeling like I was cheating the system.

I think athros kinda hit it on the head. I do programming at a web startup, and likewise, I'm not going over 40 hours unless something I'm responsible for is broken. As our product has changed/evolved I'm not really too concerned, but I'm also still uninterested in how they're going to monetize it or continue paying me.

I imagine most places do the town-hall thing and that's not a surprise either, but I think, kinda like Hobear suggested, I'm trying to level with myself about how important that is to me. I'm not looking for greener pastures, as much as I think that I'm finding that I'll want my next job to be somewhere that I do care about the product.

I think it's been a concern for me more lately, since my direct manager has told me (in not so many words) that he loves my work, but wishes that I cared more about the company/product. But I don't see why I can't stick with this a couple more years (thanks Skraut, Skiptron, karmajay).

I really appreciate everyone's thoughts and experiences though. Seriously, this community is so awesome. Really helps having people that aren't going to chide me for exploring these concerns or telling me to shove it and be thankful I've even got a job.

I don't care what I build. I care about how it gets built. I'm a process guy; I like very little more than helping a team build appropriate process infrastructure (key word: appropriate), and it turns out, it doesn't matter one whit to me what the process is.

I'm also a developer, and I care about how the code is structured and written and tested. What it does? As long as the answer is "what it's supposed to", I don't care.

I don't think that makes me a bad employee. I think that makes me a good employee up to a certain level of management.

I care about my paycheck so I guess that means I care.

I care about my company to a similar degree it cares about me. Seems fair.

Jonman wrote:

I care about my company to a similar degree it cares about me. Seems fair.

Same but some places make you buy in more than you should and when you know it is crap...Nothing like being stuck somewhere peddling wares you know are unethical for a paycheck you absolutely need. At least I fought for good in those places. Meanwhile all the executives just got high and fought. Good model for a successful business.

Chumpy_McChump wrote:

I don't care what I build. I care about how it gets built.

This mentality seemed healthy to me until I analyzed the "spec" enough to realize we've been tasked with making a logical paradox.

Danjo Olivaw wrote:
Chumpy_McChump wrote:

I don't care what I build. I care about how it gets built.

This mentality seemed healthy to me until I analyzed the "spec" enough to realize we've been tasked with making a logical paradox.

I mean I currently work for a company that builds radio transmitters. Before that, it was video switching equipment. Before that, educational software, and before that, a text-to-speech engine. I care about the actual product the same amount each time. When it comes down to it, good software development process is applicable to any and all software development. The actual widget at the end doesn't change that.

Apparently my company isn't re-competing on the contract I've been working on because it wasn't 'favorable' for them, so I'm being laid off effective Feb 8th.

If any of you know of any work from home .net positions(Full stack: SQL, C#, Asp.net, etc) please let me know.

Has to be remote because I live in the middle of nowhere in Kentucky so we can take care of my wife's grandmother.

it's trash

b12n11w00t wrote:

Apparently my company isn't re-competing on the contract I've been working on because it wasn't 'favorable' for them, so I'm being laid off effective Feb 8th.

If any of you know of any work from home .net positions(Full stack: SQL, C#, Asp.net, etc) please let me know.

Has to be remote because I live in the middle of nowhere in Kentucky so we can take care of my wife's grandmother.

Kentucky's not on our list of states to hire from, and we're mostly Ruby (most of us have C# backgrounds, and they'll train), but I'll ask our recruiter Monday if we've added KY to the list recently, or will be soon.

b12n11w00t wrote:

Apparently my company isn't re-competing on the contract I've been working on because it wasn't 'favorable' for them, so I'm being laid off effective Feb 8th.

If any of you know of any work from home .net positions(Full stack: SQL, C#, Asp.net, etc) please let me know.

Has to be remote because I live in the middle of nowhere in Kentucky so we can take care of my wife's grandmother.

Let me know if you find anything under United Healthcare and PM me. I can help.

Bonus_Eruptus wrote:

Kentucky's not on our list of states to hire from, and we're mostly Ruby (most of us have C# backgrounds, and they'll train), but I'll ask our recruiter Monday if we've added KY to the list recently, or will be soon.

Hobear wrote:

Let me know if you find anything under United Healthcare and PM me. I can help.

Thanks to the both of you, I'll look at United's site now.

Going to preface this by saying that work has been a whole lot of stressful as we move steadily closer to Christmas. I'm very much looking forward to a break in just over week.

I booked an early morning physio appointment today to deal with some lingering pain in my back. Since I spend a large percentage of my day at a desk, she asked me to demonstrate how I held my arms when typing.

Her: "Is this how you would hold your arms when typing at work?"

Me: "Yes."

Her: "And how do you find it?"

Me: "Very stressful and a bit soul destroying."

Her: *confused look*

Me: "Oh. You meant my posture. Yeah, that feels ok."

Thin_J wrote:

it's trash

This is where I'm at too.

Love to have code reviews that sit for a month because no one cares.
Pay still good tho.

boogle wrote:

Pay still good tho.

That's basically the mantra I use to make it through the day now.

If you ever wondered where the lobster on your plate came from, this is me (jacket with the bright green hood) in my boat trying to make it happen earlier this month. This was a rare treat of a day in winter. Usually water is flying and snow hitting me in the eyes.

Homard's short fishing video

Usually it's just me and one other guy but we had his son out banding with us that day. Later on when catches are small I'll go all by myself.

Good, which is the voice I'm admonishing myself to present with; I have no on-fire horror story to pen today. I suppose I'm trying to unpack my thoughts. Background in corporate litigation (short answer; other, similar, areas as well). For years, and by degrees, I've been roped into company admin territory. Thankfully, plenty of work in my week -- I've managed one solid vacation in the last 15+ years (a good friend and former colleague's destination wedding).

Some years back (off the cuff: closing fast on the decade mark) we heavily gutted internal IT and that trend continued. There were transition issues, the first few years, and I was at the heart of moving us to our current MSP, which is head and shoulders above our last two IT MSP outings -- I didn't have controlling decision input at the time with prior choices. In an inverted partner-to-associate pyramid this tends to devour much time -- acting as the liaison with our IT MSP and being the in house half-resource for.. less technically inclined compatriots. Doubly so when coupled with other admin duties and being a minion of the executive director.

I find myself, recently, all but absolved of the six-minute-billing-increment life. Additionally, I'm off the monthly productive hours and realization (etc etc) report that was diligently circled to myself and former amigos -- so we could sharpen our knives for, internal and external, competition ("you eat what you hunt"). I'm, mostly, reconciled with what has been a glacial work change but as one might expect former peer standing is largely diminished. It feels, well, strange and somewhat disconcerting in ways which I have yet to internally pinpoint. In closing, beer time.

Was due for my annual review yesterday, and I was somewhat nervous.

It had been a rough year where not everything went as planned, and various issues caused some work to take much more time than the previous year. Would my employer know that I did the best I could in stressful situations where I had new responsibilities, or would they just look at a spreadsheet and see that on paper less got completed?

I guess it turned out to be the former because I got a review form where "Areas of Improvement" was basically one sentence long, I got a 15% raise, and was promised that my concerns about the internal processes breaking down are being worked on.

Phew!

Congrats!

My office space got moved over the Christmas break.

I used to have a comfy desk next to a window in a modern office building. Now I have a smaller desk in a corner of the 50 year-old factory. Mouse poop waiting on my desk when I rocked up on day 1. No natural light whatsoever (which means I literally don't see daylight during the week at this time of year). Whatever is on the other side of the thin metal wall I sit by has a radio playing, so I have a background soundtrack of muffled 80's pop hits.

Super not happy about it.