NFL 2011 Week 5

LeapingGnome wrote:
I think it just shows Manning should have won MVP every year for like the last decade.

He didn't

DSGamer wrote:
garion333 wrote:
DSGamer wrote:
The weirdest thing would be if Manning finished his career with only 1 title.

I don't think that would be weird at all. More like sad. For him.

He would be tied with Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypen and many other storied QBs.

And ahead of Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Fran Tarkenton and many others.

St.Louis was 34:1 at the start of the season to be the last team to win...

4 0-4 teams left.

Indy plays KC then @CIN.... I think Freeney and the rest of the D have 1 win in them between those games.
Minny plays ARI then @CHI then GB then @CAR then week 9 bye..... If they don't beat ARI this could get ugly.
Miami Bye then @NYJ then DEN then @NYG then @KC..... I think they have 1 win in there somewhere but yea also could be ugly.

and then theres St.Louis.....
Bye @GB @DAL then NO.... week 9 ARI @CLE then SEA.

Theres going to be a winless team going into week 9 to say the least.

Not shockingly, Hank Williams is done for good as the annoying song at the start of Monday Night Football; he claims he quit, ESPN says they "parted ways". I'm sure he really quit; I mean, he's been such a huge commercial force over the last 20 years that there's no way an aging entertainer like him needs the regular exposure a weekly national stage provided him.

Not to go all political, but I believe two basic rules should be followed here:

1. Don't compare anyone to Hitler. Ever. Even though Stalin and Mao had bigger death tolls, Hitler's the bogeyman. Just. Don't. Do it.
2. If a private company fires you, don't claim "violation of your free speech". The Constitution is about what the government can and can't do, not private corporations.

Also, somebody get Faith Hill to talk about Hitler now, I hate that damn SNF intro song.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Also, somebody get Faith Hill to talk about Hitler now, I hate that damn SNF intro song.

Stele wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Also, somebody get Faith Hill to talk about Hitler now, I hate that damn SNF intro song.

:lol:

Yeah, but she looks nice in those tight black pants. Better than Hank Williams, for sure.

While I never liked the Hank Williams song at all... I preferred the old school MNF music with Howard or Frank setting the scene.. I do shudder to think what the clowns at ESPN (hi Joe Theisman) will come up with now.

There's a 10 CD box set of "40 Years of NFL Films Music" that I would rather them use before games than any pop or country crossover theme song junk.

*Legion* wrote:
There's a 10 CD box set of "40 Years of NFL Films Music" that I would rather them use before games than any pop or country crossover theme song junk.

+1

Superbowl shuffle!

They should just run various clips of John Facenda saying cool things as an intro.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
They should just run various clips of John Facenda saying cool things as an intro.

The palms of your hands will thicken
The skin of your cheek will tan
You'll grow ragged and weary and wet
But you must do the best you can
Do you fear the force of the wind
The slash of the rain?
Go face them and fight them
be savage again

Chad Henne is out for the season with a shoulder surgery. Matt Moore is there backup QB. So successful negotiations for a veteran QB so far.

I smell a Brett Farve comeback!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...

I vote for this:

Matt Moore will be awful and, in a few weeks, David Garrard will be the starter.

Secret Asian Man wrote:
Chad Henne is out for the season with a shoulder surgery. Matt Moore is there backup QB. So successful negotiations for a veteran QB so far.

I smell a Brett Farve comeback!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...

I'll trade you Orton for a box of cookies.

Sheared, you think Denver has a better QB than Orton ready to play?

I'll never understand the Orton hate; the guy is a perfectly average QB. He's reasonably accurate, isn't overly mistake-prone, and has a sufficient arm. All sorts of adjectives that effectively mean "average" apply to him.

but I also think you can't know with 100% certainty without playing him.

uh yeah you can...

re: Vince Young

LeapingGnome wrote:
Sheared, you think Denver has a better QB than Orton ready to play?

I don't, but I think if the Broncos don't think Kyle Orton is their franchise QB, they should play their other guys and see if they can be.

After the past few years of Garrard, I can say with authority that nothing keeps a franchise stuck in neutral in today's NFL more than an average QB who occasionally plays like a very good one. I say today's NFL because in the past, a QB who was merely capable was plenty for a team built for a powerful ground game. But I don't think you can win in the NFL purely on the ground anymore, and it hurts to say that.

You don't necessarily have to have a QB in the Brady tier, but you absolutely have to have a 2nd tier QB (like a Roethlisberger). If your guy can't get into that tier, then you need to move on and play a young player to see if he can.

Now, if the Broncos were committed to Orton and believed he could ascend into that tier, kind of like how Ryan Fitzpatrick has slowly but steadily ascended, then I would say the Broncos should stick with him. Orton would not be the first QB to wait until he was pushing 30 to take the next step (hell, guys like Gannon and Beuerlien were each 34 years old when they made their first Pro Bowls). But if they lack that belief and the commitment, then they should play Tebow. I have no faith in Tebow, but I also think you can't know with 100% certainty without playing him.

TheGameguru wrote:
but I also think you can't know with 100% certainty without playing him.

uh yeah you can...

re: Vince Young

To be fair, I couldn't have said with certainty that Vince Young would be as ineffective as he has proven to be before he played a snap in Tennessee.

But as I'll freely say when we're talking about QB draft prospects, there is a clear line between guys that have "NFL arms" and guys who don't, or are on the borderline. Young and Tebow are both guys who, on their best day, with the wind at their backs, are barely borderline. Neither guy has ever shown anything to suggest they have the firepower to fit balls in small windows in zones, or hit the guy on the deep corner before the Cover 2 safety can get to the sidelines.

Every now and then, a borderline arm has enough of all the other tools to make it - Drew Brees being the canonical example of this era. A borderline arm has to have Brees' level of anticipation. Brees makes up for lack of velocity by being quick with his reads and always on-time with his throw. Guys with stronger arms give themselves more margin of error. Even with his smarts and anticipation, Brees tends to be on the high end of passes intercepted. Throws that would be near-misses for guys with more zip get picked off for Brees.

Milkman: I utterly hate politics being inserted into non-P&C threads, but I think you're safe with those rules. Also, I am SO SO SO freaking sick of people misunderstanding freedom of speech in the way you mention. We have a lot of freedoms, but we don't have freedom from the consequences of doing things that are legal but stupid.

Back on topic...Go Texans! The kool-aid is flowing daily, and it's delicious!

Speaking of which...what do you non-Houstonian, serious football fans think of Matt Schaub? He gets ripped by callers on the radio here a lot, but apart from the unfortunate tendency to always throw his picks at the worst possible time, I think he's pretty solid. To use Legion's standards, he'll never be tier 1, but I think he could be tier 2.

I'm not really a big fan, but he's done far better than Carr. Hopefully, our next starting QB (some day) will be a bit better than either. Possibly mobile, since Schaub looks like he's wearing cement shoes out there.

Fedaykin98 wrote:
Speaking of which...what do you non-Houstonian, serious football fans think of Matt Schaub? He gets ripped by callers on the radio here a lot ...

Callers to sports talk shows would rip Santa Claus and their own mothers if they could get past the call screeners.

Saints vs. Panthers ... I get the Panthers hate. The only thing with more offensive firepower than Cam Newton is the Panthers D (except, perhaps, the Panthers' special teams). But, hey, Carolina's at home, the weather's going to be good and the 'Cats are due a break or two. I'll even predict a score: Carolina 87, New Orleans 70.

Buccaneers vs. 49ers

Packers vs. Falcons

Bears vs. Lions

Wild card: Chiefs at Colts in this week's edition of the Luck Bowl

Dead on Legion.. which is why I think the Eagles gave up on Kolb.. Kolb once saving grace is that he might end up being like Brees.. but its a stretch...and not one the Eagles apparently wanted to continue to invest in...

But I'm afraid they are now in the very dangerous "No future QB" era.. Vick will not last the season at the current rate.. he's going to be on IR by Week 7.

TheGameguru wrote:
But I'm afraid they are now in the very dangerous "No future QB" era.. Vick will not last the season at the current rate.. he's going to be on IR by Week 7.

I think you're forgetting about VY.

Fedaykin98 wrote:
Speaking of which...what do you non-Houstonian, serious football fans think of Matt Schaub?

Schaub has been around long enough with enough reps that I think he is what he is, pretty much at his ceiling but he might get a little better over time but will not become awesome. Mid-tier QB with a decent arm that is good enough to win games when he has people around him like Johnson and Foster. He'll float around in that 8-15 ranking range but never get higher in my opinion. That is not bad by any means, but he isn't going to carry a team to a Superbowl.

Saints - Should be a fun aerial show with hopefully no crashes into the stands.

Buccaneers - The Bucs are starting to wake up.

Falcons - Trap game for the Pack. Falcons are angry and have their backs against the wall.

Bears - Cause the Bears win some random games against good opponents every year.

Jets over Patriots - Man does the Jets offense suck. I really enjoyed them last year but this year the play calling is awful and Mark Sanchez is making the least out of every opportunity. He's a game manager QB ala Big Ben, not a throwing dynamo like Brees.

TheGameguru wrote:
Dead on Legion.. which is why I think the Eagles gave up on Kolb.. Kolb once saving grace is that he might end up being like Brees.. but its a stretch...and not one the Eagles apparently wanted to continue to invest in...

But I'm afraid they are now in the very dangerous "No future QB" era.. Vick will not last the season at the current rate.. he's going to be on IR by Week 7.

Eagles management seemed to pretty much bet on winning big this year and/or next and then imploding for a few years, so I don't think they are concerned about the QB of the future until next draft at the earliest. You probably have more info about it than me though.

TheGameguru wrote:
Dead on Legion.. which is why I think the Eagles gave up on Kolb.. Kolb once saving grace is that he might end up being like Brees.. but its a stretch...and not one the Eagles apparently wanted to continue to invest in...

Agreed. I think Kolb has enough potential that he's worth having a team investing in him, as the Cardinals are. But the Eagles did not seem to want to be the ones to make that investment. And if you don't think he's your guy, move on.

But I'm afraid they are now in the very dangerous "No future QB" era.. Vick will not last the season at the current rate.. he's going to be on IR by Week 7.

I agree with Leap that the Eagles have been investing in a "win now" (or at least, "win soon") mode, and I agree with you that one result of that is that the team does not have a "future franchise QB" on the roster. And it's worth pointing out that Mike Vick is 31 years old already. You wonder, between age eventually sapping some of that agility that makes him special, and injuries, how long he will remain an upper-tier performing QB.

They decided that they didn't want to hold onto Kolb (which was perfectly fine because with Vick there, they weren't going to play him now, and it's time for Kolb to play now), but it will soon be time for them to start looking for a new QB.

The good thing is, recent history says that unless you draft a Tebow, you can draft a rookie QB in the first round and make him a starter the same year. There is less need to draft-and-develop these days, and the rookie wage scale means you can actually draft a 1st round QB without destroying your team finances.

Elliottx wrote:
Jets over Patriots - Man does the Jets offense suck. I really enjoyed them last year but this year the play calling is awful and Mark Sanchez is making the least out of every opportunity. He's a game manager QB ala Big Ben, not a throwing dynamo like Brees.

While I'm not a huge Sanchez booster, I do think part of his suckage (especially last game) is that the O-Line is for all intents and purposes stepping aside and giving the pass rushers a free shot more often than not. He's either scrambling to save his life or trying to throw the ball while being pummeled from behind. And since we have no run game... Good luck out there, Mark! Bob and weave!