Xian door-knockers -- why do they bother?

I know Invisible Sky-Man says, "Go out and share the good news with errbody!" but really, why?

Does spamming doorways get them some actual results, some infinitesimal percentage of people who say, "After-death sky-cake and a reason to refuse life-saving medical procedures? Sign me up!"

Do people leave their churches after realizing that hey, these aren't beggars in search of bread, they're just ordinary people with pissed-off dogs?

You said knockers

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I dont believe I've ever met a Xian door knocker. Is that the name of the religion?

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Kt.,

That is precisely what I was thinking.

Or more specifically, an actual jade Terracotta Army Door Knocker:

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I figure it's just to put up a show of face. "Well the Mormons are doing it so if people keep seeing Mormons and never see us they're going to think we're lazy. If we don't take up the charge the Mormons will win!"

Because if they get even a small number of people to join their church, that's people they didn't have before, and their church gets stronger. Ergo, I suspect that churches that knock are marginally more successful than churches that don't, so you gradually get more door-knockers.

Malor wrote:
Because if they get even a small number of people to join their church, that's people they didn't have before, and their church gets stronger. Ergo, I suspect that churches that knock are marginally more successful than churches that don't, so you gradually get more door-knockers.

Sounds suspiciously like survival of the fittest, doesn't it? Oh the irony!

No, the churches

Jonman wrote:
Malor wrote:
Because if they get even a small number of people to join their church, that's people they didn't have before, and their church gets stronger. Ergo, I suspect that churches that knock are marginally more successful than churches that don't, so you gradually get more door-knockers.

Sounds suspiciously like survival of the fittest, doesn't it? Oh the irony!

No, you are getting it all wrong.

The churches that realize to go door to door do so by intelligent design. obviously.

Jonman wrote:
Malor wrote:
Because if they get even a small number of people to join their church, that's people they didn't have before, and their church gets stronger. Ergo, I suspect that churches that knock are marginally more successful than churches that don't, so you gradually get more door-knockers.

Sounds suspiciously like survival of the fittest, doesn't it? Oh the irony!

Heh--in fact, it's been argued that's one reason why America is so much more religious than European countries: when you have to pay your own way and recruit, the less competitive churches fall by the wayside and the fitter ones survive:

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/f...

H.P. Lovesauce wrote:
Does spamming doorways get them some actual results, some infinitesimal percentage of people who say, "After-death sky-cake and a reason to refuse life-saving medical procedures? Sign me up!"

My guess is when you put it like that no, but then again, the people they're really after are the people who already are signed up, they're just changing what kind of sky-cake they're looking for. In less controversial terms: it's not really about getting someone to believe who doesn't already to find Jesus; it's about poaching the competition's--the competition being other Christian churches--membership.

Why do they do it? Ask them.

Part of me wants to say it's because they think everybody who hasn't been saved is leading a sad, meaningless life and they want to save them.

The other part wants to say that it's a hazing ritual among churches — one of many that create shared difficult experiences that bond them together, and furthering the "us vs. them" mentality that religions need to foster in order to keep the secular world seen as The Other.

The last part of me wants to say "hamburger."

The psychology is in line with e-mail scams, scattered marketing, cold calling. If you hand out 1000 fliers for an event, send 100,000 e-mails asking for money, and 1-5 percent respond or go for it, success.

You are asking do door to door sales work? Yes. Kids sell candy, missionaries sell church.

It's also similar to "love-bombing" used by cults. Take someone who has self-esteem issues, surround them with caring, attentive people, and let Stockholm take over...

One friend considered a religion that I'm pretty certain he wouldn't have otherwise as a result of the door-to-door stuff. I think of it more as marketing than sales - so if you're in the market for some religion, but haven't decided which, seeing people motivated enough to go door-to-door may make you consider a religion that you might otherwise have dismissed.

We got a hand-written letter from the Witnesses today. I don't think they've ever come to our door; we've had Mormons from time to time, though.

I've never been door-to-door, but I've heard it discussed several times in church, Bible study, etc.. It's not a hazing ritual, at least not on anything close to a conscious level. And, the correct mindset is not that the...uh..."knockers" are supposed to "save" anyone...only Christ does that (it may seem like a minor semantic detail, but this is one case in which the distinction is very important).

The reason for it is simply to share the message, at least for my denomination. If the person behind the door decides it sounds like something they want to take advantage of, then great. But the goal is simply to present the religion and answer any questions, not to browbeat anyone into anything.

Like I say, I can only speak for my particular branch (Southern Baptist), and for that matter, my particular church.

A friend of mine had a great answer to the Witnesses, when he still lived with his parents.

JW's: "Hello sir, have you figured out what the meaning of life is?"
Friend: "I dunno, I'll ask my mother."

*shuts door*

dejanzie wrote:
A friend of mine had a great answer to the Witnesses, when he still lived with his parents.

JW's: "Hello sir, have you figured out what the meaning of life is?"
Friend: "I dunno, I'll ask my mother."

*shuts door*

:lol:

On the rare occasions when some come knocking I just tell them I can't talk at the moment because I'm in the middle of a satanic ritual. They tend to leave quickly and quietly after that.

I'm a fan of "Batin. Come back in 5 minutes."

I usually give them my crazy eyed stare for sixty full seconds and then say "sure. I've had tons of time now that I got fired from the post office. Can you wait here while I get something? "

boogle wrote:
I'm a fan of "Batin. Come back in 5 minutes."

OW MY BALLS!

It's technically off-topic, but I love that this actually happened to me:

About 30 mins. before my wedding, I had to run back to the apartment to get something...programs, maybe? Anyway, I was already decked out in full tuxedo, boutonnière, the works. As I was leaving in an obvious rush, I almost ran into the magazine salesperson who had been approaching my door. Dude proceeds to launch into his spiel about selling enough subscriptions to earn a trip or whatever, at which point I was able to, absolutely truthfully, cut him off and say, "I'm sorry, I can't...I've got to go get married."

There are much funnier brush-offs than that, but I was so pleased that the (hopefully) one time I was able to use that excuse, someone appeared for me to use it on.

I've always wanted to say:

"What's your stance on chronic masturbation"?

I'm assuming I'll be told it's forbidden whereby I say

"Well that's a dealbreaker" and close the door.

Previously, I've cut them off mid-sentance and asked for their address. When they stammer and look confused, I politely explain that I'll be happy to have a conversation with them about how their beliefs are inferior to mine, but I'll do it on their doorstep at a time that's inconvenient to them.

Incidentally, since buying a house in the 'burbs, I get a couple of folk each month knocking on my door selling me cable/windows/magazines/god. I'm thinking about putting a sign by my door that says something to the effect of

"If I didn't invite you to knock on my door, please don't be offended when I shut it in your face."

I like your sign, Jonman, but you could also just have it read "NO SOLICITORS" and it might help.

momgamer wrote:
I like your sign, Jonman, but you could also just have it read "NO SOLICITORS" and it might help. ;)

Yeah, but it lacks a certain wry offensiveness.

Jonman wrote:
momgamer wrote:
I like your sign, Jonman, but you could also just have it read "NO SOLICITORS" and it might help. ;)

Yeah, but it lacks a certain wry offensiveness.

True. You could go with both, though. That way when someone inevitably does get offended and stupid, you can call the cops and they can get a chuckle, too.

momgamer wrote:
Jonman wrote:
momgamer wrote:
I like your sign, Jonman, but you could also just have it read "NO SOLICITORS" and it might help. ;)

Yeah, but it lacks a certain wry offensiveness.

True. You could go with both, though. That way when someone inevitably does get offended and stupid, you can call the cops and they can get a chuckle, too.

Winner!

At least the WashPIRG people know to avoid the houses with signs.

"The door says No Solicitors, why the hell did you knock anyway?"

"Um, I'm not a lawyer?"

The JWs in my neck of the woods are getting clever: they have sent two of the sweetest, nicest old ladies to make the rounds. Seriously, they look like they just finished washing your socks and are about to bake you a warm apple pie. It totally takes you off your guard, which I expect is part of the point. Still, I'm not buying what they're selling, and as politely as I can explain why I don't believe in their sky-man any more than I do Zeus or Thor.