Occupy Wall Street. Police vs people in NY.

You are being facetious, right?

Fact: Trade in Go stones was a major form of economic activity in Palestine during the time of the Pharisees.

Occupiers Glitter-Bomb Santorum Concession Speech [Summerville Patch]

Occupy DC Discussed At Congressional Hearing [Crooks and Liars]

Occupy the Courts [The Stranger]

Well it looks like the government's treatment of OWS protesters and media covering protests has caused us to drop to number 47th place in the annual Press Freedom Index. We're slightly better than Argentina but worse than Romania - two countries with histories of brutal dictatorships.

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What Really Happened At Occupy Oakland -- an eyewitness testimony that differs sharply from the media's.

Tonight was different. When I fell behind the group, I knew they were going to arrest a very large number of peaceful protesters without declaring an unlawful assembly at the location. And then they did. I thought this sh*t was reserved for G20's and WTO meetings. I felt shame for being intimidated away from my rights. 'Unlawful assemblies' feel like a boot stomp on the first amendment, but this was like them wiping their ass with the constitution and force feeding it to me.

The tank that just happened to be near the Occupy Oakland protest, mentioned in the above links:

On it's way to the protest at this point.

Santorum gets glitter bombed again, but by OWS protesters, so police drag them out. [WESH]

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Malor wrote:

What Really Happened At Occupy Oakland -- an eyewitness testimony that differs sharply from the media's.

Tonight was different. When I fell behind the group, I knew they were going to arrest a very large number of peaceful protesters without declaring an unlawful assembly at the location. And then they did. I thought this sh*t was reserved for G20's and WTO meetings. I felt shame for being intimidated away from my rights. 'Unlawful assemblies' feel like a boot stomp on the first amendment, but this was like them wiping their ass with the constitution and force feeding it to me.

Not surprising considering that records reveal that the department put officers with histories of using deadly force on the frontlines during Occupy Oakland protests.

Edwin wrote:

Santorum gets glitter bombed again, but by OWS protesters, so police drag them out. [WESH]

From the article:

WESH wrote:

Some event attendees said they thought the glitter toss was dangerous and could have injured Santorum by getting glitter in his eye.

"That's pretty dangerous. I mean, it seems pretty harmless, but yes, it could be dangerous," said Santorum supporter Chris Davis.

Thus began the ruinous War on Glitter.

I would personally support a banning of Twilight, better known as the "glitter simulator". Think of the children!

Parallax Abstraction wrote:

I would personally support a banning of Twilight, better known as the "glitter simulator". Think of the children!

I second this!

Occupy protests in Oakland and New York: a weekend of police clashes [Guardian]

OWS now supports censorship?

Cameras no longer welcome at Occupy Wall Street? Attack highlights conflict

In the early days of Occupy Wall Street, when the protest was confined to and then kicked out of, Zuccotti Park, Pool was treated like a rock star. His live stream was regularly viewed by 10,000 or more Internet users, many of whom were following the movement from across the globe. He was eventually profiled by several major media outlets, including msnbc.com, in a story named “A Ustream star is born”.

But tensions began to mount during a march in November when protesters let air out of police squad car tires and Pool showed the alleged vandalism on camera, refusing to stop streaming when protesters yelled at him to turn off his equipment.

Pool straddles a delicate line between being part of the Occupy Wall Street movement and an objective observer. He said he is not actually a member, but also declined to call himself an "outside journalist."

Pool said he's received veiled threats ever since the November incident, with critics becoming more vocal in recent days. There have even been accusations that he's getting paid by law enforcement.

On Sunday night, one such critic shined a light directly into Pool's camera in an effort to block his stream. Then, a scuffle ensued with another unidentified person. While Pool lost control of the camera, it never shut off. After about 10 seconds of yelling, someone yelled, "I have Tim's phone (and camera) but I don't know where he is." Later someone shouted, "Someone just attacked Tim." Moments later, Pool can be heard saying, "He just chopped my arm and smashed my camera. ... The dude hit me because he doesn't want me streaming."

Edwin wrote:

Santorum

So the occupy movement is actually just a bog standard leftist protest group after all I guess.

Jayhawker wrote:

OWS now supports censorship?

Really sad stuff.

I don't agree with that your sentence says - "OWS" does not agree with censorship. However, a few individuals within it want to act with impunity. Same way my mum gets confused with mainstream media reporting and ends up thinking that Occupy is anti-capitalism - it's no more anti-capitalism than liberals are communist or conservatives are slave-mongers.

Duoae wrote:

I don't agree with that your sentence says - "OWS" does not agree with censorship. However, a few individuals within it want to act with impunity. Same way my mum gets confused with mainstream media reporting and ends up thinking that Occupy is anti-capitalism - it's no more anti-capitalism than liberals are communist or conservatives are slave-mongers.

A few bad apples doesn't mean the entire basket is rotten. There are bad cops, bad OWS protesters and bad people. Some are sensationalized in the media, others aren't.

The sad part was, watching Pool's video, he was talking about the people threatening and verbally bashing him, saying he's a plant because he's never been arrested or attacked by cops etc, when some lady in the march approaches him and says "it is kind of suspicious that you've never been arrested..." then walks away. Almost as if, at this point, being arrested at a protest is a barrier for entry into some inner circle of "true" OWS protesters. Combine that with some of the comments left by folks on the reddit page posted upthread re: Oakland arrests last week (paranoia about police monitoring and profiling protesters, how to remove video signatures so the cops can't trace protest footage back to you, etc), I can understand a lot of people's fears about being recorded. I just wish those people would understand not only personal accountability (you throw a bottle or misbehave socially, you suffer the consequences of your actions), but the simple fact that OWS has been about complete transparency throughout the movement, and trying to hide your actions is giving into the system against which they claim to fight.

It's almost as if some of the protesters are forgetting why social media and camera phones were so effective in the Arab Spring, the admitted source of inspiration and protest tactics of OWS. Or worse yet, as if American complacence is returning to a lot of the people that had stood up in anger and frustration with the system in the first place.

Bear wrote:
Duoae wrote:

I don't agree with that your sentence says - "OWS" does not agree with censorship. However, a few individuals within it want to act with impunity. Same way my mum gets confused with mainstream media reporting and ends up thinking that Occupy is anti-capitalism - it's no more anti-capitalism than liberals are communist or conservatives are slave-mongers.

A few bad apples doesn't mean the entire basket is rotten. There are bad cops, bad OWS protesters and bad people. Some are sensationalized in the media, others aren't.

Hence my post/point

Occupy DC Celebrates Camping Ban By Erecting Massive Tent [Crooks & Liars]

Occupy movement evicted from Miami camp [Sun Sentinel] The photographer mentioned in the 5th paragraph is my friend.

The United States is now ranked 47th in the world for press freedom. Almost 50 reporters have been arrested at Occupy. [Free Press]

If you are looking for a good source of news, I highly suggest this Twitter list.

is actually just a bog standard leftist protest group after all

You probably don't realize this, but that's a classic example of labeling and dismissing tens of thousands of people without having to actually think about the issues they're raising.

"Standard leftist protest group" means "I can safely ignore everything they're saying."

If the brain has an off switch, that's flipping it.

Edwin wrote:

Occupy DC Celebrates Camping Ban By Erecting Massive Tent [Crooks & Liars]

Occupy movement evicted from Miami camp [Sun Sentinel] The photographer mentioned in the 5th paragraph is my friend.

The United States is now ranked 47th in the world for press freedom. Almost 50 reporters have been arrested at Occupy. [Free Press]

If you are looking for a good source of news, I highly suggest this Twitter list.

You don't get many replies Edwin but keep it up man, this is good stuff. Keep up the good work.

Malor wrote:

"Standard leftist protest group" means "I can safely ignore everything they're saying."

If the brain has an off switch, that's flipping it.

Well, yes, I can safely ignore standard leftist protest groups, not out of any kind of Homeresque bargain to prevent me from thinking, but simply because the appeal of those groups are limited and sometimes ends up self-defeating. There's a pretty big gulf between what the occupy movement (nominally) started as and what it is now. A true populist movement with economic equality as the central message has the potential for legs when the economy is so bad. Throwing glitter at elected officials because they don't approve of homosexuality? One percenters breathe a sigh of relief, return to organizing their yachts by size and color.

NormanTheIntern wrote:
Malor wrote:

"Standard leftist protest group" means "I can safely ignore everything they're saying."

If the brain has an off switch, that's flipping it.

Well, yes, I can safely ignore standard leftist protest groups, not out of any kind of Homeresque bargain to prevent me from thinking, but simply because the appeal of those groups are limited and sometimes ends up self-defeating. There's a pretty big gulf between what the occupy movement (nominally) started as and what it is now. A true populist movement with economic equality as the central message has the potential for legs when the economy is so bad. Throwing glitter at elected officials because they don't approve of homosexuality? One percenters breathe a sigh of relief, return to organizing their yachts by size and color.

Wait. Who is the stereotyped group I should hate and dismiss in that paragraph? People organizing their yachts or people protesting elected officials in silly ways?

NormanTheIntern wrote:
Malor wrote:

"Standard leftist protest group" means "I can safely ignore everything they're saying."

If the brain has an off switch, that's flipping it.

Well, yes, I can safely ignore standard leftist protest groups, not out of any kind of Homeresque bargain to prevent me from thinking, but simply because the appeal of those groups are limited and sometimes ends up self-defeating. There's a pretty big gulf between what the occupy movement (nominally) started as and what it is now. A true populist movement with economic equality as the central message has the potential for legs when the economy is so bad. Throwing glitter at elected officials because they don't approve of homosexuality? One percenters breathe a sigh of relief, return to organizing their yachts by size and color.

I think you're also making an assumption that OWS is more unified and organized than it actually is. Plenty of OWS supporters are upset about a lot of things. Some of them dislike Santorum's stance on gay rights. It is, after all, still a multitude of individuals.

The Occupy Bills: Bills going through the WA legislator that will make it a Class C felony for a bank to foreclose on your home by engaging in "false swearing"—that is, claiming it's the owner of your mortgage when, in fact, it's not. [The Stranger] More of this please.

Why #OWS Needs to Denounce Violent Tactics on Display at Occupy Oakland [Alternet] Occupy is not an armed conflict – it's a PR war. And images of violence undermine the movement.

Yesterday was the anniversary of the Greensboro sit-ins, which I've heard people say inspired them to voice their concerns with OWS.

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Edwin wrote:

The Occupy Bills: Bills going through the WA legislator that will make it a Class C felony for a bank to foreclose on your home by engaging in "false swearing"—that is, claiming it's the owner of your mortgage when, in fact, it's not. [The Stranger] More of this please.

Is this still still actively going on? I know it was rampant during the crash, but what about now?

I need to switch banks. Any advice on what I should consider in light of OWS? 'Cause I know people have been closing their Chase accounts, etc., but their ATMs are everywhere. It'd be a really convenient switch.

McChuck wrote:

I need to switch banks. Any advice on what I should consider in light of OWS? 'Cause I know people have been closing their Chase accounts, etc., but their ATMs are everywhere. It'd be a really convenient switch.

Do you have a local credit union?

McChuck wrote:

I need to switch banks. Any advice on what I should consider in light of OWS? 'Cause I know people have been closing their Chase accounts, etc., but their ATMs are everywhere. It'd be a really convenient switch.

A couple things because I looked into this and just haven't pulled the trigger yet.

#1 - If you have a strong credit union they frequently have reciprocity agreements that give them MORE ATM access than many banks.

#2 - You can use a credit union for most of your money and then shift it into an ING account and use that for your "walking around money".

This is roughly our plan. Join our local credit union and shift all of our autopay to that credit union. Then use ING as a debit card through which to make it easy to get at our budgeted spending.

Only reason we haven't executed on it yet it is because my wife has been out of town and US Bank, of all the banks out there, is one of the least odious. So there hasn't been urgency to run away from them the same as if we had Chase or US Bank.

We're currently switching to USAA (the process should be done soon) and they reimburse you for ATM fees so I actually have more access to ATMs by switching to a company with no ATMs.