Occupy Wall Street. Police vs people in NY.

Tkyl wrote:
NormanTheIntern wrote:
Farscry wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

I want that to be real, but it seems impossibly too good to be true.

You know, if that's real, the guy(s) saying those things are such evil f*ckers that if I had the opportunity, I might actually be willing to shoot them.

So exactly which expressions of free speech deserve death in your opinions?

Really? I highly doubt Farscry is actually going to go out and kill these people.

I think Norman is perfectly reasonable in protesting death threats, even those made for metaphorical or hyperbolic purposes. Us liberals don't like it when the tea party does it.

Yonder wrote:

I think Norman is perfectly reasonable in protesting death threats, even those made for metaphorical or hyperbolic purposes. Us liberals don't like it when the tea party does it.

I agree that death threats should be taken seriously, but I also believe that one needs to be able to discern the difference in scale and seriousness between one person making a statement out of pure frustration and one that is made repeatedly on a national and political scale.

Like I said though, I wouldn't mind if they got taxed back to the Eisenhower Era though.

Paleocon wrote:

Like I said though, I wouldn't mind if they got taxed back to the Eisenhower Era though.

FWIW..

Romney says his effective tax rate is 15%

Yonder wrote:
Tkyl wrote:
NormanTheIntern wrote:
Farscry wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

I want that to be real, but it seems impossibly too good to be true.

You know, if that's real, the guy(s) saying those things are such evil f*ckers that if I had the opportunity, I might actually be willing to shoot them.

So exactly which expressions of free speech deserve death in your opinions?

Really? I highly doubt Farscry is actually going to go out and kill these people.

I think Norman is perfectly reasonable in protesting death threats, even those made for metaphorical or hyperbolic purposes. Us liberals don't like it when the tea party does it.

True, but guns are to the Tea Party what bongos are to OWS.

Tkyl wrote:

I agree that death threats should be taken seriously, but I also believe that one needs to be able to discern the difference in scale and seriousness between one person making a statement out of pure frustration and one that is made repeatedly on a national and political scale.

It would be cool if that standard was applied to an anonymous twitter account too. Not to be pigeonholed into the guy who defends Wall St (believe me, I personally know lots of these guys are "Chet in Weird Science" level d-bags) but can we please get some perspective? It's a "hey guys send me some good stuff and I'll post it" gimmick account.

NormanTheIntern wrote:
Farscry wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

I want that to be real, but it seems impossibly too good to be true.

You know, if that's real, the guy(s) saying those things are such evil f*ckers that if I had the opportunity, I might actually be willing to shoot them.

So exactly which expressions of free speech deserve death in your opinions?

None, honestly.

I fully admit this is one of the areas that really get my hackles up. People who have such disdain for anyone "beneath" them that they themselves essentially become parasites on the rest of humanity. I've met a few people like this. I loathe them. I actually felt violent urges, and that's a rarity for me.

So yes, I'm being a bit hypocritical here, and I don't know how to make myself not be a hypocrite. I actually oppose violence, but then I see/hear/read these people who are so plainly evil that part of me wants to remove them from our world so they can do no more harm.

[edit]And would I actually harm them? No. I may feel hate for them, but I don't think I could bring myself to actually harm another human being unless it was necessary to prevent them from harming others, and even then I would try to stop them with as little harm as possible.

[edit 2]Also, thank you for calling me out on that Norman, that was entirely reasonable of you to demand a reality check from me.

Tanglebones wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

Like I said though, I wouldn't mind if they got taxed back to the Eisenhower Era though.

FWIW..

Romney says his effective tax rate is 15%

To be fair and in his defense, he didn't actually work for any of it so he shouldn't pay any taxes.

Edwin wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

Like I said though, I wouldn't mind if they got taxed back to the Eisenhower Era though.

FWIW..

Romney says his effective tax rate is 15%

To be fair and in his defense, he didn't actually work for any of it so he shouldn't pay any taxes.

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[list]
[*]Romney tell OWS protesters that if they don't like the current situation, leave. [Crooks and Liars]
[*]Anti-police brutality rally at East Precinct [Seattle PI]
[*]WA state is considering making a state bank thanks to manage the finances thanks to the OWS [KOMO news]
[*]Occupy's 4-Month Anniversary Protest: Small, Disorganized and in D.C. [The Atlantic]
[*]Occupy Riverside Disrupts UC Regents Meeting, Confronted by Riot Police [Crooks and Liars]
[*] Chalk Drawing Occupy Orlando Protester Free After 3 Weeks in Jail [The Smoking Gun]

This is his graffiti.

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[*]

http://www.citizen.org/occupy-the-co...

I'll say that the Goldman Sachs site is both hilarious and super-disturbing. Unfortunately, I can certainly believe it's true since I heard similar talk when I worked at Microsoft. To be fair, rich software developers are less douchey than investment bankers, but they're still completely out of touch with how most Americans live. People would talk about a $10K trip to Fiji as matter-of-factly as most people talk about a weekend getaway.Or they would talk about their older Porsche being their "commuter car." I don't think many middle class people realize that the rich are quickly becoming a spoiled aristocracy. If they did, we'd have real class warfare instead of how Fox news defines class warfare (aka, questioning why the top Republican candidates for president have so many off-shore accounts).

Getting back to Wall Street, did anyone hear the interviews NPR did with investment bankers at local bars in NY? Their arrogance was amazing - not only did they think they deserved to be rich because they're smarter than the average shmuck, but also laughed at the taxpayer suckers for bailing them out.

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Totes.

Jesus hates Go players.

I was thinking tiddlywinks.

"You want sente? I'll give you sente!"

You are being facetious, right?

Fact: Trade in Go stones was a major form of economic activity in Palestine during the time of the Pharisees.

Occupiers Glitter-Bomb Santorum Concession Speech [Summerville Patch]

Occupy DC Discussed At Congressional Hearing [Crooks and Liars]

Occupy the Courts [The Stranger]

Well it looks like the government's treatment of OWS protesters and media covering protests has caused us to drop to number 47th place in the annual Press Freedom Index. We're slightly better than Argentina but worse than Romania - two countries with histories of brutal dictatorships.

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/...

What Really Happened At Occupy Oakland -- an eyewitness testimony that differs sharply from the media's.

Tonight was different. When I fell behind the group, I knew they were going to arrest a very large number of peaceful protesters without declaring an unlawful assembly at the location. And then they did. I thought this sh*t was reserved for G20's and WTO meetings. I felt shame for being intimidated away from my rights. 'Unlawful assemblies' feel like a boot stomp on the first amendment, but this was like them wiping their ass with the constitution and force feeding it to me.

The tank that just happened to be near the Occupy Oakland protest, mentioned in the above links:

On it's way to the protest at this point.

Santorum gets glitter bombed again, but by OWS protesters, so police drag them out. [WESH]

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Malor wrote:

What Really Happened At Occupy Oakland -- an eyewitness testimony that differs sharply from the media's.

Tonight was different. When I fell behind the group, I knew they were going to arrest a very large number of peaceful protesters without declaring an unlawful assembly at the location. And then they did. I thought this sh*t was reserved for G20's and WTO meetings. I felt shame for being intimidated away from my rights. 'Unlawful assemblies' feel like a boot stomp on the first amendment, but this was like them wiping their ass with the constitution and force feeding it to me.

Not surprising considering that records reveal that the department put officers with histories of using deadly force on the frontlines during Occupy Oakland protests.

Edwin wrote:

Santorum gets glitter bombed again, but by OWS protesters, so police drag them out. [WESH]

From the article:

WESH wrote:

Some event attendees said they thought the glitter toss was dangerous and could have injured Santorum by getting glitter in his eye.

"That's pretty dangerous. I mean, it seems pretty harmless, but yes, it could be dangerous," said Santorum supporter Chris Davis.

Thus began the ruinous War on Glitter.

I would personally support a banning of Twilight, better known as the "glitter simulator". Think of the children!

Occupy protests in Oakland and New York: a weekend of police clashes [Guardian]

OWS now supports censorship?

Cameras no longer welcome at Occupy Wall Street? Attack highlights conflict

In the early days of Occupy Wall Street, when the protest was confined to and then kicked out of, Zuccotti Park, Pool was treated like a rock star. His live stream was regularly viewed by 10,000 or more Internet users, many of whom were following the movement from across the globe. He was eventually profiled by several major media outlets, including msnbc.com, in a story named “A Ustream star is born”.

But tensions began to mount during a march in November when protesters let air out of police squad car tires and Pool showed the alleged vandalism on camera, refusing to stop streaming when protesters yelled at him to turn off his equipment.

Pool straddles a delicate line between being part of the Occupy Wall Street movement and an objective observer. He said he is not actually a member, but also declined to call himself an "outside journalist."

Pool said he's received veiled threats ever since the November incident, with critics becoming more vocal in recent days. There have even been accusations that he's getting paid by law enforcement.

On Sunday night, one such critic shined a light directly into Pool's camera in an effort to block his stream. Then, a scuffle ensued with another unidentified person. While Pool lost control of the camera, it never shut off. After about 10 seconds of yelling, someone yelled, "I have Tim's phone (and camera) but I don't know where he is." Later someone shouted, "Someone just attacked Tim." Moments later, Pool can be heard saying, "He just chopped my arm and smashed my camera. ... The dude hit me because he doesn't want me streaming."

Edwin wrote:

Santorum

So the occupy movement is actually just a bog standard leftist protest group after all I guess.

Jayhawker wrote:

OWS now supports censorship?

Really sad stuff.

I don't agree with that your sentence says - "OWS" does not agree with censorship. However, a few individuals within it want to act with impunity. Same way my mum gets confused with mainstream media reporting and ends up thinking that Occupy is anti-capitalism - it's no more anti-capitalism than liberals are communist or conservatives are slave-mongers.