FF2011: GWJFFLX organization thread

I actually moved to NC this weekend so I have a legitimate excuse! Cable just got installed at the new crib so I can set my computer up tonight!

I accept your excuse, but now that you've proven you can post, I suggest you post your roster before you run out of time.

Grumpicus wrote:

I accept your excuse, but now that you've proven you can post, I suggest you post your roster before you run out of time. ;)

QB: Alex Smith
RB: Frank Gore
RB: Kendall Hunter
WR:Ted Ginn Jr.
WR: Michael Crabtree
WR: Josh Morgan
FLEX: Braylon Edwards
TE: Vernon Davis
K: David Akers
D:49ers

I propose that whenever LeapingGnome posts in this thread, he tries to write his posts like he's Al Davis.

My lineup looks good to me, thanks Grumps!

Man, I still can't get over that I have Curtis Painter on a fantasy football team.

Curtis f*cking Painter.

Edit
When we will be able to change out our players?

You should be able to start submitting waiver claims in about 50 minutes now. Waivers process on Thursday (and Friday, Saturday, and Sunday) at 11AM EST.

Maybe I'm just grumpy (surprise!) but I don't think this format is coming back. 16-team, maybe, but not the draft.

Grumpicus wrote:

Maybe I'm just grumpy (surprise!) but I don't think this format is coming back. 16-team, maybe, but not the draft.

What exactly about the draft do you dislike? I think that the way we drafted full teams makes it very interesting, especially if we decide to go with a dynasty format. It gives owners the opportunities to really build their teams over time. I say give it a few weeks and see how things flesh out.

oldmanscene24 wrote:
Grumpicus wrote:

Maybe I'm just grumpy (surprise!) but I don't think this format is coming back. 16-team, maybe, but not the draft.

What exactly about the draft do you dislike? I think that the way we drafted full teams makes it very interesting, especially if we decide to go with a dynasty format. It gives owners the opportunities to really build their teams over time. I say give it a few weeks and see how things flesh out.

Agreed, this is what intrigued me about the format to begin with.

It may be a symptom of jumping in right as bye weeks start... and part of it is me admittedly being burned-out on FF. Part of the reason that I'm leaning towards ESPN next season is that it allows co-owners so I can just piggyback on someone else's team and not have to worry about 5 lineups every week. As Sergeant Murtaugh famously said, "I'm getting to old for this sh*t."

Also, I kind of agree with what someone (karmajay?) said up-thread. Consistency of ownership is most important in a dynasty league and 16 may just be too many to have that level of consistency. (Edit: I suspect there will be a dynasty league next season, if there's enough interest. We'll have to see how much that is. I'm willing to go as low as 8 teams for that format.)

Mostly, I'm just thinking out loud, though, and opening the floor up for discussion. Especially if I don't have to actively participate in every league, I'm plenty willing to provide whatever formats the people desire.

(Edit: As for the draft format, is it really more interesting than a "regular" draft (either snake or auction)? It was certainly expeditious but at what cost? How connected are folks to an entire slate of players that they didn't have to really think about before putting them on their team? Again, just thinking out loud. As a matter of fact, I should probably just go to bed; I've got a head full of snot and Pseudophedrine.)

(Edit2: Nopants (et al), what exactly did you find intriguing? The draft format? The bigger league (16 vs. 12)? A dynasty league? I know we've only got one week in the books but I'd be curious to hear why you signed up in the first place.)

Even if the number of teams is reduced, we could still conduct the draft the way we did this go around. It would certainly make early waiver pick ups interesting knowing that players with at least decent value would be free agents after the draft. Owners would be faced with blowing their wad for a hopeful star versus saving money for future acquisitions. It would ease the consistency problem and create an interesting wrinkle regarding waiver pick ups.

I may just be rambling here, but here is a thought that might make it interesting, or perhaps just a jumping-off point for future ideas.

Have the draft, as we did this go-round, with each person picking their starting line-up.
Then, each owner gets to pick one player from another team to trade. There would be some restrictions (no person can be targeted more than X times, no person can have more than one person per position taken from them, once traded, that player is locked) and an order would have to be chosen, but it might make things interesting.

Frex, I look at my line-up, and I see that my tight-end situation is rather dire, and I see that Gumbie's Dammits have Rob Gronkowski, a nice tight end. I grab Rob, and then the owner of Gumbie's Dammits gets to grab any player that he wants from my team, like Matt Forte.

Gumbie's Dammits can no longer have a tight-end stolen from them, nor can they have Matt Forte stolen from them, and I can not have a RB stolen from me, nor can I have Gronkowski stolen from me.

Just a thought that popped into my head when reading this.

While interesting, I'm just not sure how the TEAM draft format can work for everyone. There are 5 or 6 great offensive teams in the NFL every year. If someone is picking toward the bottom of the order. there isn't much chance they can draw enough quality starters to beat a all NE or Saints team + whoever those guys get for their 2nd pick.

Second, as far as being a dynasty/keeper league, a whole team benifits from the Qb position. Imagine someone picks up a team and the Qb goes out 1st game or in the offseason. Its a big chance that whole team will not be as good. With regular FF, your players are spread over so many teams (usually) that you can weather a bad QB day, ect.

I was able to get the Bills with the 6th pick (ok offense so far this season) and the 49ers with my 2nd (just to get Gore) and I may do ok. After that i see the team picks being a big drop off.

Grumpicus wrote:

(Edit2: Nopants (et al), what exactly did you find intriguing? The draft format? The bigger league (16 vs. 12)? A dynasty league? I know we've only got one week in the books but I'd be curious to hear why you signed up in the first place.)

Really, the dynasty/team building aspect of it was what I thought would be the most interesting. Something about keeper leagues turns me off (I really don't know why) but this seemed intriguing. And, I think there was something mentioned about doing a rookie draft which I wouldn't mind trying. Although, it does seem like that could be a big pain in the ass.

The draft format probably could use retooling because as karmajay said there's a big drop off. I did like drafting a whole team as it made me think differently about the picks. One alternative that I thought of would be having one round where we pick a whole team and then ten rounds of a traditional draft to fill the benches.

Grumpicus wrote:

(Edit: As for the draft format, is it really more interesting than a "regular" draft (either snake or auction)? It was certainly expeditious but at what cost? How connected are folks to an entire slate of players that they didn't have to really think about before putting them on their team?

Isn't a team draft the whole point of this league? If we go away from that, how will it be different from any of the 'regular' FF leagues?

My gut reaction to the league was like others said, those who picked earliest would have a great advantage picking up the top offensive teams. But I am willing to give it a couple of months and see how it plays out.

LeapingGnome wrote:

Isn't a team draft the whole point of this league? If we go away from that, how will it be different from any of the 'regular' FF leagues?

Dynasty. GWJFFLD.

At least, that's my vote.

LeapingGnome wrote:

Isn't a team draft the whole point of this league? If we go away from that, how will it be different from any of the 'regular' FF leagues?

It was one of the concepts that I wanted to test out (along with 16 teams and, potentially, dynasty). I'm just saying that my initial reaction (to the draft format) is somewhere below "it's great!" Of course, if it is repeated next year, I will auction off draft slots (in 2-packs) so you'll have more say in where you draft (with the remainder of your draft budget being added to your FAAB).