Recommend me a new Router

Anyone tried the eero? I searched first but seems it hasn't been discussed in the forums. Heard about it on a podcast (Back to Work) and Dan & Merlin love it. It's a consumer mesh network. I watched the video on their site and I've definitely done some of those things (e.g., walking around with a device finding the best place to set up).

But it seems a little too good to be true.

I could swear we've discussed a little bit here on the forums in the past-- I know I was interested in it over a year ago when I discovered it, too. Coincidentally, I was trying to remember the name of it the other day when talking with NathanialG, as he and I were both lamenting the short ranges on the wireless setups in our new places.

Unfortunately, it's outside my price range, otherwise I'd love to give the 2-pack a shot.

I have a 3 pack of Eeros and I will say the mesh network works just ok. You need a decent line of sight between them so no placing them on opposite sides of a house. Obviously if you wire them all they work a ton better

Spent the tech money elsewise so no go for now. Current router suffices all things considered.

Going to buy a refurbed cable modem, so I don't have to pay $10 a month for one TWC won't let me buy. Also, their new customer deal after the merger includes a free modem, but is another $10 a month higher than what I'm already paying, which has gone from $102 a month in January up to $140. So, buying my own that'll pay for itself in 5 months.

While I'm at it, my router's been flaky, so I'm looking for a new one. It's in one corner of the house, and I can't use wifi calling from my phone on the other side, and the 360's connection has been spotty after the cat knocked the antenna out of alignment. So, I'm looking for something more powerful.

Current options:

ASUS RT-N66U
TP-Link Archer C7 v2 (or v3)

Don't need anything very fancy, just a lot more power/range than I have now, and preferably enough to support wifi calling, gaming, a laptop, and two AppleTVs. Probably won't use them concurrently, but it'd be nice.

Any other ones I should be looking at? I know the Archer C7 is one I recommended earlier in this thread after reading about it on TheWireCutter, but someone tried it and had a problem. Heard good things about the Dark Knight (not just the name, which appeals to me for reasons), and they're about the same price, though the Archer looks to be faster and might have better range.

Other than having to occasionally restart it to reset the UPnP setup, the Nighthawk R7000 has been a champ.

Ditto on the N66. It's been great.

What criteria should I be looking for for an apartment router? Intuitively it doesn't need as strong of a wifi as a house one right? Can you opt for something with a strong signal but limited area?

I'm going to be connecting one desktop, one mobile, and maybe something decent enough for TV streaming

You often actually need a stronger signal because there are a lot of competing signals in close proximity. The Netgear Nighthawk is highly regarded in that situation, provided it's in your price range.

Kurrelgyre wrote:

Other than having to occasionally restart it to reset the UPnP setup, the Nighthawk R7000 has been a champ.

Yup, mine is great.

First router I've had in a long time that Ive just left the stock firmware on (with updates, I mean)

Wound up going with the Dark Knight (you knew I would). Already blown away by the quality compared to my old router. The 360's showing 5 bars across the house instead of 1-2, and I suspect I can make a wifi call from way out at the mailbox.

Aside from having to re-setup the printer itself and the connection to it from my MBP, which are their problems, respectively, everything just worked.

I still love my RT-N66U Dark Knight, but I've been kind of itching to bump up to an AC router. Not for any major reason other than it'd be cool to remove all the potential bottlenecks that I'm able to. Still, though- simultaneously streaming music, movies and games to several devices across our 800-900 sq ft apartment, and the Dark Knight hasn't really faltered yet (after some initial buffering moments).

I read a review of the netgear orbi today. guy said it was very good, but to save money and get a R7000.

Amazon had a 'Warehouse' model for £100, so ordered fhat. saved about £35. I've got 30 days to return if, so I hope any issues will become apparent before then.

I'm hoping it solves my WiFi coverage probelm. I've got a huawei repeater which is totally unreliable.

Here's an update - apart from a couple of drops, the R7000 has been rock solid. Had it since about 24 October. Have connection all over the house and can choose between my original wifi, a steady/long range netgear one and another shorter range, but potentially faster one. Very easy to set up, too.

Buying a new router for the first time in a few years. I'm debating picking up a combo router mostly because I'm sick of all the wires. That's pretty dumb, right? I should just buy my modem and my router? Basically we're setting up our new house after living abroad and I'm not in love with having a cluttered entertainment system. Part of me just wants to buy an Apple Airport Extreme as it's less unsightly than an Asus with antennas everywhere.

Also, do most routers these days cover 2 stories fairly well?

I don't know how dumb it is, but I love my combo router since I have one less device cluttering up my limited space.

My Netgear N450: http://www.officedepot.com/a/product...

As for the second floor inquiry, well, I can sit in my parking lot of my complex a couple hundred feet from my device and still get a good signal on my Android.

Apple's getting out of the router business. I would avoid. I think I read they disbanded that business division entirely.

I would look at one of the mesh network options that are popping up from lots of manufacturers right now if worried about coverage in a larger house, or one with a difficult setup (plaster walls, etc). Google just release their version to good reviews, Eero is pretty good, Ubiquiti now has a consumer one, and the Netgear Orbi seems to excel with it's own proprietary back channel that passes the mesh data.

There are a couple of other options out too that escape my mind.

That's a bummer about Apple getting out of the router business. I liked the idea of a fairly good-looking router. Might still buy one. Their support tends to be good and I've had so many routers die after one or two years. It would have to be supported longer than that, no?

DSGamer wrote:

Buying a new router for the first time in a few years. I'm debating picking up a combo router mostly because I'm sick of all the wires. That's pretty dumb, right? I should just buy my modem and my router?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I wouldn't buy a combo, unless space was at a serious premium.

*Legion* wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

Buying a new router for the first time in a few years. I'm debating picking up a combo router mostly because I'm sick of all the wires. That's pretty dumb, right? I should just buy my modem and my router?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I wouldn't buy a combo, unless space was at a serious premium.

Same here. I have seen multiple generations of routers go by without any major changes in modems. Also seen modems out live multiple routers.

And DOCSIS 3.1 is coming soonish. Comcast is already rolling it out in some places (like Nashville).

Okay. I'm convinced on not getting the combo. I need to figure out what the heck I'm going to get for a two story townhouse at about 1400 square feet. I really want to avoid something with giant antennas.

DSGamer wrote:

That's a bummer about Apple getting out of the router business. I liked the idea of a fairly good-looking router. Might still buy one. Their support tends to be good and I've had so many routers die after one or two years. It would have to be supported longer than that, no?

Did you see the mesh ones I posted? They're all decent looking devices meant to be left out in plain site (well, maybe not the satellites on the Ubiquiti, but they plug into outlets, so aren't that visible anyway), not like some of the Robo-Spider looking single high power routers of late.

MannishBoy wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

That's a bummer about Apple getting out of the router business. I liked the idea of a fairly good-looking router. Might still buy one. Their support tends to be good and I've had so many routers die after one or two years. It would have to be supported longer than that, no?

Did you see the mesh ones I posted? They're all decent looking devices meant to be left out in plain site (well, maybe not the satellites on the Ubiquiti, but they plug into outlets, so aren't that visible anyway), not like some of the Robo-Spider looking single high power routers of late.

I saw them. They all look good. I've actually been researching them since I saw them. I didn't want to get into my own personal tinfoil-hattery, but I'm trying to be somewhat careful about privacy right now. Nothing too drastic. I'm not moving to desktop Linux and only ultra secure firmware on my router. I'm just trying to reduce unnecessary corporate spying attack vectors. So I've ruled out Google so far, basically. Even though the Home looks nice.

Anyway, I'm trying to figure out what the word on the street is right now regarding privacy and I'm coming up blank so far on what the best solution is. So far what I've got is this.

- Google Home is Google so no.
- Eero says it has Alexa Skills. Not sure what that means in terms of privacy, but I'm guessing not good.
- The Ubiquiti looks pretty amazing, but I'm renting, so I'm not sure I can mount it where it needs to be mounted.

The Netgear looks gigantic in the pictures, but it might be the one I go with.

DSGamer wrote:

- The Ubiquiti looks pretty amazing, but I'm renting, so I'm not sure I can mount it where it needs to be mounted.

Are you looking at the enterprise stuff, or the home stuff? The Home gear is called Amplifi, and it has one table top unit that looks like a digital clock, and then the AP's are all little units that plug directly into your electrical outlets. Nothing to mount, really.

There are three different power levels at different prices.

MannishBoy wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

- The Ubiquiti looks pretty amazing, but I'm renting, so I'm not sure I can mount it where it needs to be mounted.

Are you looking at the enterprise stuff, or the home stuff? The Home gear is called Amplifi, and it has one table top unit that looks like a digital clock, and then the AP's are all little units that plug directly into your electrical outlets. Nothing to mount, really.

There are three different power levels at different prices.

Just home stuff. The Amplifi looks cool. I wonder if I just need the base station for 1400 sq feet.

DSGamer wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

- The Ubiquiti looks pretty amazing, but I'm renting, so I'm not sure I can mount it where it needs to be mounted.

Are you looking at the enterprise stuff, or the home stuff? The Home gear is called Amplifi, and it has one table top unit that looks like a digital clock, and then the AP's are all little units that plug directly into your electrical outlets. Nothing to mount, really.

There are three different power levels at different prices.

Just home stuff. The Amplifi looks cool. I wonder if I just need the base station for 1400 sq feet.

If you just planned to cover the space with one, I'd prefer a stronger single router. The advantage of these mesh routers is spreading them out. They're lower power with lower grade individual nodes that work by being closer to you.

I guess you could try just the base station, then always add more mesh nodes if you need them if you weren't sure.

The site I like for good technical reviews on routers is www.smallnetbuilder.com . He really gets deep into home router tech. I think he's finally catching up on some of the mesh stuff, too.

DSGamer wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

- The Ubiquiti looks pretty amazing, but I'm renting, so I'm not sure I can mount it where it needs to be mounted.

Are you looking at the enterprise stuff, or the home stuff? The Home gear is called Amplifi, and it has one table top unit that looks like a digital clock, and then the AP's are all little units that plug directly into your electrical outlets. Nothing to mount, really.

There are three different power levels at different prices.

Just home stuff. The Amplifi looks cool. I wonder if I just need the base station for 1400 sq feet.

At 1400 square feet just about any consumer grade router should do you. I used to cover a 2200 square foot place (single story modern construction suburban single dwelling brick house) with a single router (WRT54Gv1.2 and later a Belkin 750N) and they had good enough signals that you could use them at the neighbors on the far side.

Rykin wrote:
DSGamer wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

- The Ubiquiti looks pretty amazing, but I'm renting, so I'm not sure I can mount it where it needs to be mounted.

Are you looking at the enterprise stuff, or the home stuff? The Home gear is called Amplifi, and it has one table top unit that looks like a digital clock, and then the AP's are all little units that plug directly into your electrical outlets. Nothing to mount, really.

There are three different power levels at different prices.

Just home stuff. The Amplifi looks cool. I wonder if I just need the base station for 1400 sq feet.

At 1400 square feet just about any consumer grade router should do you. I used to cover a 2200 square foot place (single story modern construction suburban single dwelling brick house) with a single router (WRT54Gv1.2 and later a Belkin 750N) and they had good enough signals that you could use them at the neighbors on the far side.

I think that's dependent on construction. For instance, if it's an older house with plaster, you're basically in a faraday cage in every room with the chicken wire that's in the walls. There are other things that might affect things as well.

I've got a 1700 sq ft house, and media streaming upstairs doesn't work well unless I run a second AP upstairs. I've not gone mesh yet, but the second router definitely is a near necessity in the upstairs bedrooms. And mines a fairly typical type of construction (no plaster, no block, etc).

I agree that most likely a quality modern router will cover the whole house, especially if it can be located well. However, you have some cases where it might not.

Overall, I really love my AC1200 router (Linksys model; it was an upgrade from their classic, reliable WRT-something that I used for ages).

However, I have finally given up on getting my desktop to use the 5ghz band. Before I upgraded to Win10, I was using a simple USB wireless adapter on my Vista install, and it worked great with the router. Super fast network speeds over the 5ghz band, especially with the great connection my home has on our local independent ISP.

Then I upgraded to Win10 (via reformat and clean install), and I have now been through three wireless adapters, each a bit pricier than the last and allegedly reviewed to give solid 5ghz performance with Win10. I give up. Doesn't matter what adapter I use; it connects and drops within a minute or less (usually less), eventually hitting a point where it connects and then drops conn immediately.

Every other device I have that's 5ghz-compatible connects just fine and gets great bandwidth; phones, laptops, etc. My desktop is the only one that fails repeatedly unless it connects on the 2.4ghz band.

Ugh. I hate network troubleshooting, especially wireless connectivity issues.