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Jeff-66 wrote:

Father (term used loosely) punches his 3 month old baby to death to stop it from crying.

charged with aggravated manslaughter

WTF does it take to be charged with murder in Florida? wow.

Yeah, I read that story yesterday and kind of wish I hadn't. I hope that the cosmos deals with him accordingly when the earthy justice system is done.

krev82 wrote:
Jeff-66 wrote:

Father (term used loosely) punches his 3 month old baby to death to stop it from crying.

charged with aggravated manslaughter

WTF does it take to be charged with murder in Florida? wow.

He described the crying as 'screams that go through me like bullets,'

Clearly self-defense. He was just Standing His Ground vs the scream bullets.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/3/2...

68 year old ex marine with a heart condition killed by police after they responded to a medical emergency he accidentally triggered with his medical alert device.

Oh yeah, the 68 year old man was black.

Before killing him, they forced open his door, tasered him and shot him with a beanbag shotgun. And called him a F— N—. All recorded by the medical alert device on the man's table which still had an active open channel to the medical alert company.

BadKen wrote:

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/3/2...

68 year old ex marine with a heart condition killed by police after they responded to a medical emergency he accidentally triggered with his medical alert device.

Oh yeah, the 68 year old man was black.

Before killing him, they forced open his door, tasered him and shot him with a beanbag shotgun. And called him a F— N—. All recorded by the medical alert device on the man's table which still had an active open channel to the medical alert company.

f*ck. That's like three towns over from where I work.

BadKen wrote:

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/3/2...

68 year old ex marine with a heart condition killed by police after they responded to a medical emergency he accidentally triggered with his medical alert device.

Oh yeah, the 68 year old man was black.

Before killing him, they forced open his door, tasered him and shot him with a beanbag shotgun. And called him a F— N—. All recorded by the medical alert device on the man's table which still had an active open channel to the medical alert company.

Horrific in it's own right, the timing could not have been worse, tensions being what they are with the Trayvon Martin case. Yikes.

This makes me wonder how often that sort of thing happens and is successfully covered up.

This case will require very careful scrutiny of the timing. If you tell me that an old man is having a heart attack in his house, I have an exigency to enter until I know any differently. The medic alert pendant is to tell me that you need help but cannot get yourself to an ER, right?

So kicking the door in is fine, in my opinion. There is probably (based on my experience) a delay of a minute or two before information reaches the police from the caller, and when they tell me that getting somebody a defibrillator a minute or two sooner can prevent death, you might need a new door lock, but I won't be sad if you live. EMTs aren't in the business of kicking in doors, you see. At least not where I live. If they need that kind of access, we get called.

So I can see it being reasonable up to that point. But the old man has now been telling the Life Alert people that he is fine for a couple minutes, and doesn't want anybody in the house. He doesn't understand why the cops are now kicking in his door, so he arms himself. That is a terrible idea, but I understand why a combat veteran would revert to this behavior, and attack the cops, even though it will have awful consequences.

I think that the cops in that case would be commended for trying two separate less-lethal methods before resorting to deadly force. If they were in retreat (as the article stated) and he pursued them with the knife, I think that eventually it comes down to that. PS - Tasers are so worthless I don't even carry one anymore - they fail more often than they work in my experience.

So - up to all that, I can see this all being totally reasonable, even though it would be super f***ing tragic. A confused elderly man with a strong fighting streak and sense of independence doesn't understand why some good cops (that were told that he was having a heart attack) are busting into his house.

The problem I have isn't even with the audio. I'd need to hear it to decide what they were saying.

My problem is that at least one of the cops involved is already being sued for a racially motivated police brutality case that happened in 2008, where the plaintiffs were beaten very badly, and called multiple racial slurs. So, one - I'd sure like to know what the IA revealed in that department. In my department, I'm TERRIFIED to even give a black kid a ticket, because they have leverage to go to the top of our department and - in mid F***ING CALL SOMETIMES - complain about us. People have been on multi-week "admin leave" while my department tried to pin them to the wall for absolutely unfounded complaints because the department would rather discipline an officer than tell a minority that they had nothing to complain about.

So if they accused me of beating some of our Arabic students with a baton while they were handcuffed and calling them any type of slur in the process, I probably wouldn't ever come back from admin leave. I'd be gone. Looooong gone. I honest to God hate pulling over black people (and really, you usually can't tell until you walk up, especially at night) - or any other minority group - because their capacity to make me miserable as a result of entirely legitimate police activity vastly exceeds my capacity to deal with it.

I don't know why big cities tolerate these sh**y unionized police departments. They lead to cases like this, where a problem officer cannot be disciplined or removed from duty. Hell, I know cops who have gotten letters of reprimand for accidentally quoting a sentence (that the COP yelled!) in the wrong order in their report. As in, "Police! Don't move!" being accidentally quoted as "Don't move! Police!" And the cop got a letter for being dishonest.

As much as I feel frustrated by that, it's better than the East Coast style departments where the cops feel invincible, part of a gigantic union that spends 3% of their paychecks making it harder and harder to terminate them.

Gah.

double post

Okay, then explain this:

You also hear the operators from the LifeAid company call the police station and say that they want to cancel the call, Mr. Chamberlain is OK. And at one point you hear the officer there at their central office say, "We’re not canceling anything." They say, "Call his son. Contact his son." And they say, "We’re not contacting anyone. We don’t need any mediators."

I can understand you seeing this from a law enforcement perspective, but it doesn't pass the sniff test. At least some of those cops were way out of line.

You gots to read my last four paragraphs again!

I don't think this was reasonable. I think that based on previous incidents alone at least one or more of these officers shouldn't have still been working as a cop.

I do think that the incident itself could have happened in a reasonable manner in a different world. We have forced entry many times on suicidal parties, or parties with medical conditions.

So what I'm trying to say is that the incident itself might have unfolded identically even with well-intentioned, well-trained officers on scene. In this particular case, however, we'll never know because some of those cops had a very disturbing record for previous incidents, so we don't know how it would have gone with a "normal" cop, we only know how it went with these guys.

76 year old woman drives her car into a grocery store at near full speed

video

She hit 10 people, including a baby in a carriage. Amazingly, no one was killed.

The woman was charged with "careless driving". Florida has really stupid traffic laws when it comes to accidentally hitting people. About 6 or 7 years ago in Orlando, a girl who was texting on her phone while driving ran a red light and killed 2 children crossing the street with their mom (the mom lived). The girl was cited with running a red light and got a ticket for $112.

No vehicular homicide for the latter?

Minarchist wrote:

No vehicular homicide for the latter?

Actually, yes. I was mis-remembering, or at least I didn't hear the full story. I just googled it. Originally, she was given a ticket, but a bit later was prosecuted for vehicular homicide. She was sentenced to 30 days in jail, and served 20 of those, then was released. She also had to serve 7 years probation and 500 hrs community service.

Reading the Daily Mail is like reading a website dedicated to horrible news stories like this one:

Nurse who told relatives she was adopting baby 'gunned down new mother and ripped three-day-old son from her arms as she was leaving doctor's office'

I'm always bothered when reading stories like this at how stupid the perpetrators are. They kill someone using some idiotic plan and within hours or a day or two are arrested by the cops. .

There should be a help line that criminals could call to check out the viability of their plans. Just have them describe their plan, and then the help desk employee could explain, "No, that is a stupid plan. You will get caught immediately. Seriously, don't do this. You're just going to make things bad for everyone- you, the victim, the people who read about it in the papers."

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t3#...

Austin cop sent to wrong address by 911 caller, surprises resident and resident's dog in the yard, shoots dog, blames resident for not restraining the dog.

Funkenpants wrote:

Reading the Daily Mail is like reading a website dedicated to horrible news stories like this one:

Nurse who told relatives she was adopting baby 'gunned down new mother and ripped three-day-old son from her arms as she was leaving doctor's office'

I'm always bothered when reading stories like this at how stupid the perpetrators are. They kill someone using some idiotic plan and within hours or a day or two are arrested by the cops. .

There should be a help line that criminals could call to check out the viability of their plans. Just have them describe their plan, and then the help desk employee could explain, "No, that is a stupid plan. You will get caught immediately. Seriously, don't do this. You're just going to make things bad for everyone- you, the victim, the people who read about it in the papers."

Consulting criminal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...

Quintin_Stone wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t3#...

Austin cop sent to wrong address by 911 caller, surprises resident and resident's dog in the yard, shoots dog, blames resident for not restraining the dog.

Yeah, there have numerous stories about cops shooting dogs at wrong addresses. It's pretty horrible.

Jeff-66 wrote:
Minarchist wrote:

No vehicular homicide for the latter?

Actually, yes. I was mis-remembering, or at least I didn't hear the full story. I just googled it. Originally, she was given a ticket, but a bit later was prosecuted for vehicular homicide. She was sentenced to 30 days in jail, and served 20 of those, then was released. She also had to serve 7 years probation and 500 hrs community service.

Ug. I hope the civil suit cost her everything. Forever. Twice.

30 year old New Zealand woman dies of heart failure, after drinking 2 to 2.6 gallons of Coca-Cola per day.

a pathologist, Dr. Dan Mornin, testified at an inquest Thursday that she probably suffered from hypokalemia, or low potassium, which he thinks was caused by her excessive consumption of Coke and overall poor nutrition.
Funkenpants wrote:

There should be a help line that criminals could call to check out the viability of their plans. Just have them describe their plan, and then the help desk employee could explain, "No, that is a stupid plan. You will get caught immediately. Seriously, don't do this. You're just going to make things bad for everyone- you, the victim, the people who read about it in the papers."

Brilliant idea and sigged!

Jeff-66 wrote:

30 year old New Zealand woman dies of heart failure, after drinking 2 to 2.6 gallons of Coca-Cola per day.

I can't even fathom that! I'm picturing the inside door of my fridge, with four or five 2L bottles of Coke in the shelf. Now I'm imagining drinking that much each day—but my brain can't do it. If, between my wife and me, we finish one 2L in a week, I feel like we drank too much. Heck, even though I enjoy it, I still feel guilty just buying it or seeing a bottle in the fridge.

It's got what plants crave. Actually, here are some real Coca-Cola slogans that have suddenly taken on a new dimension:

Always Coca-Cola.
Life tastes good.
The Coke side of life.
Open happiness.
Life begins here.

I'm having a hard time imagining myself drinking 2 to 2.6 gallons of anything per day. With that much liquid and caffeine in her system, she must have been going to the bathroom like every 5 minutes.

The articles also mentions that she ate very little and smoked 30 cigarettes a day. That had to have contributed to her heart attack; maybe moreso thay the coke.

93_confirmed wrote:

The articles also mentions that she ate very little and smoked 30 cigarettes a day. That had to have contributed to her heart attack; maybe moreso thay the coke.

Yes, the quote I added also cited "overall poor nutrition", but I assure you the 2.6 gallons of coke per day didn't help. In fact that much water per day can be very bad for you. It is possible to OD on water.

She was a 30 year-old stay at home mother of 8 children. That would have killed me right there.

A local tv station in India invited popular skeptic Sanal Edamaruku to investigate a "miracle statue" in Mumbai, a crucifix which had reportedly been weeping water. Within minutes he discovered a nearby leaky sewage pipe was the true source of the water. Because of this, the catholic church has accused him of blasphemy and a warrant has been issued for his arrest.

ruhk wrote:

A local tv station in India invited popular skeptic Sanal Edamaruku to investigate a "miracle statue" in Mumbai, a crucifix which had reportedly been weeping water. Within minutes he discovered a nearby leaky sewage pipe was the true source of the water. Because of this, the catholic church has accused him of blasphemy and a warrant has been issued for his arrest.

Damn science & facts ... always getting in the way of religion!

93_confirmed wrote:

The articles also mentions that she ate very little and smoked 30 cigarettes a day. That had to have contributed to her heart attack; maybe moreso thay the coke.

I knew a kid like that in college, only there was also cocaine involved.