#AntiSec / LulzSec / Anonymous WTH are they trying to accomplish?

So I've been gathering tidbits of info here and there about these 'hacktivist' groups, and I can't figure out what they are actually trying to accomplish.
The AntiSec Manifesto is as follows:
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What does this mean? It seems to be an attack on an industry that I know little to nothing about. Does this sh*t even matter?

Now this Youtube video doesn't seem to convey the same mission statement as the hacked ImageShack image does:

What is the goal or purpose of all this hacking and disclosure of sensitive information, and is that purpose even relevant beyond just being an internet-asshole?

I don't think there is a goal besides relieving boredom by acting like they're amazing hackers.

I thought full-disclosure was a good thing - so that, you know, we the people can be aware of what the hell is going on and of any possible vulnerabilities.... right? Stuff like turning off javascript, being aware of pdf hacks etc. Or am I misunderstanding this?

Mostly, they are just trying to get some attention. It's typical in the script-kiddie community to publicly do things to gain respect or admiration, and this is largely an extension of that attitude. Some appear to be trying to do some good by exposing government or corporate secrets, but most appear to be simply interested in vandalism of websites and the like. They probably still believe that "cyber warfare" is something they can use to change the world; unfortunately, it really hasn't worked out that way, and their actions are mostly irrelevant.

Edit: and yes, full-disclosure is a good thing for users, and a bad thing for attackers, which may be why the rant was directed at the security community. Full-disclosure and it's cousin, responsible disclosure, were adopted by the security community in response to repeated incidents of vendors ignoring serious security vulnerabilities - sometimes for years. Full disclosure works and makes the Internet a much safer place.

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There is a place in this world for people with their talents. Sadly, none of them seem to have found that place, and it's heartening to see them get arrested one by one.

They still seem oblivious to the fact that no security is perfect and when they release personal details on a company's customers, they are hurting the customers. I'm still waiting for the real "white hats" to step in and slap them down. From what I've heard, they already fired a shot and showed LulzSec that their security isn't flawless either.

As for Anonymous, I think they've proven what sort of people they are. There was a meme a while back with some redneck guy on a webcam saying, "you done goofed." It was hilarious, because clearly the old man didn't understand technology! Ha ha! Except he was talking to people from Anonymous, who had just bullied his 13-year-old daughter to tears for absolutely no reason. It's going to take more than a few site hijackings and poorly typed manifestos to show me they've changed.

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LouZiffer wrote:

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Every time there's a hacking, this is immediately what I think of. And then I keep thinking about it.

They are also threatening to take down Facebook on November 5th.

LouZiffer wrote:

I don't think there is a goal besides relieving boredom by acting like they're amazing hackers.

But yes, mostly this. They've made a bunch of bragging threats about info dumps and their hack jobs, but no LulzSec/AntiSec/whateverSec info dump i've seen has even come within a country mile of what WikiLeaks did.

Prederick wrote:

They are also threatening to take down Facebook on November 5th.

LouZiffer wrote:

I don't think there is a goal besides relieving boredom by acting like they're amazing hackers.

But yes, mostly this. They've made a bunch of bragging threats about info dumps and their hack jobs, but no LulzSec/AntiSec/whateverSec info dump i've seen has even come within a country mile of what WikiLeaks did.

Wikileaks plays a better social game. That's one place where I have to admit that the silly movie gets it right. The few times it shows how someone "gets in", it's through an employee.

I'm not sure what they are trying to accomplish. There are plenty of crazy anarchists around. Recently one of them shot and killed more than 70 people in Norway because he thought that the ends justify the means.

All those guys do is look for the next hack. They seem to have the mentality of young children who don't think about the consequence of their action. It doesn't really matter how smart and talented you are there is nothing stopping you from doing stupid things that may harm other people. There used to be some "fear of prosecution " but today people are not too afraid. It's actually easier to solve crimes today.

There was a terror attack where some terrorist killed the Fogel family. I heard that government officials went into the suspected village, collected DNA from everyone and found the two people who did it. That was a little extreme case of invasion to privacy but capturing psycho killers is a good enough cause. If some criminal turns off his phone, go murder someone and then turn it back on that's a pattern law enforcement can track. Due to the fact we live in the information age ,governments have a ton of information about everyone and that information can be easily searched. The fact that governments work slow is because they usually collect a critical mass of evidence against a critical mass of people before they go apprehend people..

Here is an interesting article that Oily shared with me:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...

Prederick wrote:

They are also threatening to take down Facebook on November 5th.

So at least some good will come out of this.

LobsterMobster wrote:
Prederick wrote:

They are also threatening to take down Facebook on November 5th.

So at least some good will come out of this. ;)

It's like the dinosaur eating the lawyer in Jurassic Park. Where's my "T-Rex Rules!" t-shirt?